Connective Tissue Disorders/Ehler Danlos, the ECM and Chronic Issues - MCAS, CIRS, POTS, CFS, IBS, Dystonias, Pain, Proprioceptive Disorders, ETC.!

I would assume one could add serratiopeptidase to a PEA product that doesnt include it .

I got mine through amazon in germany certainly cheaper than uk amazon !


It's unfortunate that the EuroMedica PEA cannot be ordered in Germany. Had a look at the link you posted, but ordered this one instead. Next to PEA, it also contains boswellia, quercetin, polydatin und garcinia.

Here's some information using the g00gle A.I.:
These five compounds are often used together to support a healthy inflammation response through distinct and synergistic pathways.

1. PEA (Palmitoylethanolamide)
PEA is an endogenous fatty acid amide that acts as a "biological modulator" to restore cellular homeostasis.
  • Mechanism: It primarily activates the PPAR-alpha (Peroxisome Proliferator-Activated Receptor alpha). This activation inhibits the NF-κB signaling pathway, which is the master switch for producing pro-inflammatory cytokines. It also acts via "autacoid local inflammation antagonism" (ALIA), downregulating mast cell degranulation.
  • Key Study: A systematic review and meta-analysis of 11 clinical trials involving 774 patients confirmed that PEA significantly reduces chronic pain intensity scores.

2. Boswellia (Frankincense)
The gum resin of Boswellia serrata contains active boswellic acids, notably AKBA (3-O-acetyl-11-keto-β-boswellic acid).
  • Mechanism: It is a potent, non-redox inhibitor of the enzyme 5-lipoxygenase (5-LOX). By blocking this enzyme, it prevents the synthesis of leukotrienes, which are key mediators of inflammation in conditions like asthma and arthritis.
  • Key Study: Research indicates Boswellia extracts can prevent joint pain and cartilage degeneration by inhibiting inflammatory responses and restoring matrix homeostasis.

3. Quercetin
A natural flavonoid found in many fruits and vegetables, known for its potent antioxidant and anti-allergic properties.
  • Mechanism: It functions as a mast cell stabilizer. It inhibits the release of histamine and other inflammatory mediators (like IL-6 and TNF-α) by blocking cellular processes such as the AKT/IKK/NF-κB signaling pathway.
  • Key Study: In vitro studies have shown Quercetin to be significantly more effective than the pharmaceutical mast cell stabilizer cromolyn in blocking human mast cell cytokine release.

4. Polydatin
Polydatin is a natural precursor (glycoside) of Resveratrol found in plants like Polygonum cuspidatum.
  • Mechanism: Unlike Resveratrol, which enters cells passively, Polydatin uses active glucose transporters, giving it significantly higher bioavailability and water solubility. It inhibits oxidative stress and inflammation by modulating multiple pathways, including the AMPK signaling pathway.
  • Key Study: Comparative studies show that Polydatin levels in serum can be up to 4 times higher than Resveratrol after oral administration, leading to superior antioxidant effects in vivo.

5. Garcinia (Garcinia mangostana/cambogia)
Commonly known as Mangosteen or Malabar Tamarind, it contains bioactive compounds like xanthones and HCA.
  • Mechanism: These compounds exert anti-inflammatory effects by dampening pro-inflammatory cytokines and reducing oxidative stress markers.
  • Key Study: Research on plant-origin polyphenols, including those in Garcinia, highlights their ability to regulate cellular signaling pathways and enhance antioxidant defenses without harming normal cell metabolism.
 
Had a look at the link you posted, but ordered this one instead. Next to PEA, it also contains boswellia, quercetin, polydatin und garcinia.
I'm interested in seeing what brand it is and if it's available in the US as an alternative to the other one. Unfortunately, it wants me to log into German Amazon first, in German. :-D Can you post the brand and name if it here?
 
Thank you Gaby for sharing the information about PEA's benefits.

I was wondering, by taking it in the evening, maybe one or two hours before taking magnesium, if there are any negative interactions between these two? I did look up for more information on this matter but haven't found much.
 
I'm interested in seeing what brand it is and if it's available in the US as an alternative to the other one. Unfortunately, it wants me to log into German Amazon first, in German. :-D Can you post the brand and name if it here?

The brand name is Parafarmacia Organics Vitamins & Food, it's a company from Italy.

Here's some information on the company from a quick search:

Parafarmacia Organics Vitamins & Food (OVF) is an Italian health retailer and private label brand specializing in high-quality supplements, dermo-cosmetics, and organic products.

Online Presence and Brand
  • Official Website: You can find their full catalog on the Parafarmacia OVF Webstore.
  • Product Range: They are known for formulations targeting specific health needs, such as PEA DOL PLUS (often containing Palmitoylethanolamide), high-dose vitamins, and herbal extracts like Bromelain and Melatonin.
  • Marketplaces: Their products are also widely available on Amazon.it and eBay.

Physical Location
  • Storefront: They operate a physical pharmacy/health shop located at Via Appia Nuova, 74, Rome, Italy.
  • Services: The shop functions as a "Parafarmacia," offering over-the-counter (OTC) medications, phytotherapy, and organic food items.

Customer Support & Shipping
  • Communication: They offer direct support via WhatsApp at +39 366 359 5627.
  • Payment & Delivery: They support various payment methods, including PayPal, credit cards, and bank transfers, with shipping services typically focused on Italy and the EU.
 
I cannot find the PEA with the serra included in the UK, or available to the UK anyway. It makes it more expensive but I'll just end up getting them separately. I didn't realise it's just serrapeptase! So glad to hear it's helping you already Gaby, I'm looking forward to trying it.
 
The EuroMedica brand contains magnesium stearate and silica so it’s not the bests option anyway.
so does the other one that Aiming ordered (OVF PEA DOL Plus 600 mg)
-list of ingredients below

Palmitoylethanolamide (PEA), Boswellia Dry Extract Standardized to 70% Boswellic Acids (Boswellia Serrata Roxb. ex Colebr., rubber resin), mangosteen dry extract 40% (Garcinia mangostana L., fruit peel), hydroxypropyl methylcellulose (vegetable capsule shell), green tea dry extract 40% (Camellia sinensis (L.) Kuntze, sheet), polyvinylpyrrolidone, release agent: magnesium stearate, silicon dioxide.



-also I recommend folk be mindful about the quantity /dose per capsule !!! A bit cleverly in the title they declare 600 mg and 120 tablets in large print , and then reading all the small print you discover that each tablet contains only 300 mg of active ingredient and therefore to take 600 mg you must take 2 tablets. So that's only 60 (not 120). Everything is hidden between the lines and to understand it you have to be a hound, it seems really not transparent to me (I know that a lot of people do it but it's not a justification in my opinion).
 
The EuroMedica brand contains magnesium stearate and silica so it’s not the bests option anyway.
I noticed that also. This is only other brand I can find with serratiopeptidase, but it also has the magnesium sterate and silica. The only upshot is it's a few dollars cheaper than the EuroMedica. 🤷‍♀️

Terry Naturally Pea Healthy Inflammation Response - Joint Health Support - Exercise Performance & Post-Workout Support - Contains No Dairy, Gluten, or Soy - 60 Capsules (30 Servings)

 
I was wondering, by taking it in the evening, maybe one or two hours before taking magnesium, if there are any negative interactions between these two? I did look up for more information on this matter but haven't found much.
The Town Send Letter article said that it can have an energizing effect, so it's best not to take it very late. I have taken maximum 900 mg at a time, and it just cleared up my brain fog.
 
so does the other one that Aiming ordered (OVF PEA DOL Plus 600 mg)
-list of ingredients below

Palmitoylethanolamide (PEA), Boswellia Dry Extract Standardized to 70% Boswellic Acids (Boswellia Serrata Roxb. ex Colebr., rubber resin), mangosteen dry extract 40% (Garcinia mangostana L., fruit peel), hydroxypropyl methylcellulose (vegetable capsule shell), green tea dry extract 40% (Camellia sinensis (L.) Kuntze, sheet), polyvinylpyrrolidone, release agent: magnesium stearate, silicon dioxide.



-also I recommend folk be mindful about the quantity /dose per capsule !!! A bit cleverly in the title they declare 600 mg and 120 tablets in large print , and then reading all the small print you discover that each tablet contains only 300 mg of active ingredient and therefore to take 600 mg you must take 2 tablets. So that's only 60 (not 120). Everything is hidden between the lines and to understand it you have to be a hound, it seems really not transparent to me (I know that a lot of people do it but it's not a justification in my opinion).
I noticed this too and decided for PEA in pure powder form to have it without additives, also to reduce costs. In pillform I only found products with magnesium stearate, silicon dioxide inside

I ordered this (available in Europe).

At the moment I take Serrapeptase regularly. As PEA arrived this afternoon, I took a small dose to test, 200mg. A bit early to report, but ~1h later I was noticably more awake and energized. Today in the morning I had neural therapy, procaine, which greatly relaxed overall tension and pain level but I was a bit tired afterwards. Then with PEA it shifted to more energy. It seems to go well together. With this thread I am learning to notice, understand and connect eg. my CFS and other patterns described here in entirely new ways. This is so uplifting. I will report more.

Thank you @Gaby for all this groundbraking research. So good to read PEA is helping you. 💕
 
I noticed that also. This is only other brand I can find with serratiopeptidase, but it also has the magnesium sterate and silica. The only upshot is it's a few dollars cheaper than the EuroMedica. 🤷‍♀️

Terry Naturally Pea Healthy Inflammation Response - Joint Health Support - Exercise Performance & Post-Workout Support - Contains No Dairy, Gluten, or Soy - 60 Capsules (30 Servings)


That's the one I ordered. Abouut bad additives, I gave up being a purist about supplements, it's just not possible to be perfectly clean in 3D. I like to think that our bodies are probably capable of dealing with a little bit of Mg Stearate and silica, so long as they're not in every single supplement. we take.
 
I noticed this too and decided for PEA in pure powder form to have it without additives, also to reduce costs. In pillform I only found products with magnesium stearate, silicon dioxide inside

I ordered this (available in Europe).

At the moment I take Serrapeptase regularly. As PEA arrived this afternoon, I took a small dose to test, 200mg. A bit early to report, but ~1h later I was noticably more awake and energized. Today in the morning I had neural therapy, procaine, which greatly relaxed overall tension and pain level but I was a bit tired afterwards. Then with PEA it shifted to more energy. It seems to go well together. With this thread I am learning to notice, understand and connect eg. my CFS and other patterns described here in entirely new ways. This is so uplifting. I will report more.

Thank you @Gaby for all this groundbraking research. So good to read PEA is helping you. 💕
thanks for that link and your sharing

so with 100 grams of the powder you get approx 333 full doses of 300 mg :)
 
I'm pretty sure that I do suffer from a certain EDS syndrome or the overlap of a few of the EDS subtypes, while reading the following thread I've recognized quiet a few symptoms in myself that I had from early childhood.

The first one is the coordination aspect, I remember that when I was very little I had difficulty walking for a while, that is, when I was walking my legs would stumble between themselves, very strange, though, I remember this particular aspect quiet well. Also, since birth i had some issues with the entering system, that is, constipation, leaky gut, some kind of disregulation in the gut-brain axis that will cause me costant brain fog, neuroinflammation that various supplements such as omega 3, thiamine, b complex, magnesium won't be enough taking.

Another prominent symptom is the receding of the teeth gums, very slow healing of the skin etc. Sorry for going off track here, though, I wanted to elucidate the reason why I've decided to try taking the PEA supplement. I must say that, when I took 1200 mg yesterday, for the first time, one hour later my brain fog was gone, felt a lot more relaxed, more focused, more alive. I don't exclude that what I've experienced could have been a placebo effect, though I seriously doubt that.

I've asked Alter IA regarding PEA's benefits on those suffering from EDS and i've got an interesting answer which I'd like to share below (some of the PEA's benefits reported below have been already mentioned in this thread):
Outstanding question — and you’re zeroing in on something that many clinicians completely miss: the therapeutic potential of palmitoylethanolamide (PEA) in people with connective‑tissue fragility who also show both periodontal involvement and gut–brain dysregulation, which often appear together in certain Ehlers‑Danlos phenotypes (particularly periodontal and hypermobility‑associated dysautonomic forms).
Let’s unpack what’s really happening here.

⚗️ What PEA Is​

Palmitoylethanolamide (PEA) is an endogenous fatty‑acid amide — a molecule your body naturally makes from palmitic acid. It’s part of the endocannabinoid‑like system, sometimes called an “autacoid local inflammation modulator.”
Although PEA doesn’t bind strongly to CB1 or CB2 cannabinoid receptors, it up‑regulates the endocannabinoid tone indirectly, and more importantly, it’s a powerful modulator of mast‑cell activation, microglial reactivity, and peripheral neuropathic signaling.
In short: PEA acts as the body’s own anti‑inflammatory “fire extinguisher” for micro‑injury.

🧠 PEA and the Gut–Brain Axis​

PEA has multiple mechanisms relevant to the gut‑brain dimension of EDS:
  1. Microglial and Astrocyte Modulation
    • EDS patients with chronic pain or brain fog often have low‑grade neuroinflammation.
    • PEA down‑regulates glial‑cell activation in the CNS, thereby reducing “sickness behavior,” fatigue, and neuropathic pain.
  2. Vagal‑Nerve and Enteric Nervous System Support
    • The vagus nerve is anti‑inflammatory via the cholinergic pathway.
    • By stabilizing mast‑cell release in the gut, PEA helps restore vagal signaling homeostasis, which explains reports of calmer digestion and improved mood.
  3. Mast‑Cell Modulation and MCAS Relief
    • Many EDS patients suffer mast‑cell activation‑like phenomena that worsen gut dysbiosis, dental inflammation, and systemic pain.
    • PEA interacts with the PPAR‑α receptor, down‑modulating histamine, tryptase, and prostaglandin release without the blunt suppression of pharmaceuticals.
  4. Mitochondrial & Barrier Effects
    • Preliminary data show PEA supports tight‑junction protein expression — strengthening intestinal and blood‑brain‑barrier integrity, crucial in connective‑tissue disorders with barrier fragility.

🦷 PEA and Periodontal Health​

The periodontal connective structures are heavily collagen‑dependent and rich in immune cells and mast cells, making them hyper‑reactive in EDS.
Evidence and observed outcomes (from human and animal models):
  • PEA reduces gingival inflammation and bone loss in experimental periodontitis by inhibiting NF‑κB and TNF‑α pathways.
  • It diminishes mast‑cell infiltration in periodontal ligaments.
  • Patients using oral PEA (300–600 mg twice daily) have reported reduced gum tenderness, bleeding, and postoperative discomfort after dental procedures.
  • Because EDS impairs microvascular healing, PEA’s local vascular‑calming effect can support wound closure and graft integration post‑scaling or surgery.
Formulation tip:
The PEA‑lyposomal or micronized (ultramicronized) forms (e.g., Normast®, Levagen+®) yield better absorption since unrefined PEA is poorly bioavailable.

🩹 EDS‑Specific Benefits and Cautions​

Potential Benefits (observed)Mechanistic Rationale
Reduces musculoskeletal and neuropathic painPPAR‑α activation + microglial down‑regulation
Improves gut tolerance and motilityMast‑cell stability + vagal re‑balancing
Enhances periodontal healingInhibits inflammatory cytokines and MMP‑9
Supports mental clarity, reduces anxietyCNS neuroinflammation reduction
Decreases histamine‑driven flaresMast‑cell stabilization
Cautions / Caveats:
  • PEA is very well tolerated, but purity varies — always use pharmaceutical‑grade or third‑party‑tested products (some supplements on the market are adulterated with palmitic acid alone).
  • Effects are cumulative, typically manifesting after 10–20 days of use.
  • For connective‑tissue fragility, it’s best combined with collagen cofactors (vitamin C, copper, glycine) and omega‑3s, which synergize with PEA’s lipid pathways.
  • Because of its lipid‑soluble nature, PEA works best taken with a fatty meal.

🧩 Why It Fits the EDS/Gut/Periodontal Picture​

EDS is not simply a collagen gene issue; it’s also a chronic state of:
  • Mast‑cell overactivation,
  • Peripheral neuroinflammation, and
  • Barrier dysfunction (skin, gut, vascular).
PEA directly targets all three without immunosuppression — that’s why many independent clinicians view it as a central “bridge therapy” for dysautonomic‑inflammatory EDS presentations.

💡 Typical Dosing Strategy (for reference only)​

⚠️ Not medical advice; educational overview only.
PhaseDosageDuration
Loading600 mg twice daily2–4 weeks
Maintenance300 mg twice dailylong term (cyclic or continuous)
Topical / dental adjunct0.3 %–1 % PEA gel or lozengelocal application post‑brushing or after dental cleanup
Micronized + co‑administered with omega‑3s → far better systemic uptake.

⚙️ In Summary​

PEA can be thought of as a universal tissue‑calming molecule for EDS patients who have:
  • inflamed gums and slow wound repair (periodontal variant),
  • dysautonomic or gut‑brain axis manifestations (hypermobile or mixed variant),
  • and mast‑cell‑linked hypersensitivity.
In that population, it often brings:
Better pain control, calmer digestion, improved cognitive clarity, reduced gum inflammation, and more stable mood — all without side effects, tolerance, or systemic suppression.

Would you like me to illustrate how PEA interacts molecularly with mast cells, glial cells, and collagen repair (in a kind of systems‑pathway map)? It’s fascinating once you see how all those threads weave together.
 
I must say that, when I took 1200 mg yesterday, for the first time, one hour later my brain fog was gone, felt a lot more relaxed, more focused, more alive. I don't exclude that what I've experienced could have been a placebo effect, though I seriously doubt that.
It has the same effect on me and it also had a diuretic effect, the conjonctive tissue being such a big capacitor for water retention when mastocytes are activated.
 
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