2020 US Election - Let The Games Begin!

@Artem Tyomodachi/bruh,

I hope you don't believe that the break-in to the capital building in Washington DC was real Trump supporters only. You guys have gone through hell in Ukraine so try to imagine that what happened in Washington DC's capital is similar to the crimes you have witnessed there in Ukraine. Trump did not encourage any violence in his speech but there were Antifa actors leading the break-in and possibly others in the Capitol police allowing the protesters into the building.

I may not be understanding your reason for posting so maybe you can explain it more. From my perspective this was a classic "false flag" attack.
 
@Artem Tyomodachi/bruh,

I hope you don't believe that the break-in to the capital building in Washington DC was real Trump supporters only. You guys have gone through hell in Ukraine so try to imagine that what happened in Washington DC's capital is similar to the crimes you have witnessed there in Ukraine. Trump did not encourage any violence in his speech but there were Antifa actors leading the break-in and possibly others in the Capitol police allowing the protesters into the building.

I may not be understanding your reason for posting so maybe you can explain it more. From my perspective this was a classic "false flag" attack.
I know it's a false flag attack I'm just showing the nonsense of propaganda
 
And then when a man who rightfully rised to power on a wave of popular support wants to hijack this power for another term, what does he do? He doesn't need to coerce generals, change constitution, liquidate his political opponents, no. He's just using his popular capital to appeal to lowest common denominator and instincts pretending that he's doing the good fight, God's work no less. The message is sent directly via social media, carried by traditional media and gets repeated ad-hypnosis and amplified freely by 'influencers' - look, he's really telling it as it is, he's really sticking it to "them" - and by the time you hit refresh every yokel with a phone and internet brings another 10 yokels and storms the Capitol screaming 'stop the steal'.

Who's the fascist now? Using the mob as tool for political leverage and terror is the lowest you can go.

That all sounds fine, except for the highly likely fact that all of the above was being done in service to exposing the truth of a rigged election and creeping totalitarianism (covid). Is doing that "lowest common denominator" too?

I really don't think you understand the depths of evil that exists among high level "respectable" politicians, if you did, you would not look down your nose at the unsophisticated attempts by ordinary, fallible people to express their anger at extreme corruption, lies and manipulation.
 
I personally know what I usually take with a pinch of salt... no offense but a lot of Ocean's info / links I usually have 99% distrust level on. I've just never seen the stuff he usually brings forth pan out - no offense, maybe I haven't been paying attention.

I take extreme offence about your comment of me.
Remember when you questioned me about the 'Chinese Deep State'



And I replied to you with this post. Explaining how I know about the Chinese Deep State.

With the PROOF - and HH by the way is His Royal Highness.

It would be a good idea if you remind yourself to temper your comments about me!

Please provide the 99% proof.
 
I tend to avoid personal arguments, but your nickname actually reminded me of David Lynch and the Woodsmen characters - grobian enablers of the evil spirit Bob who was in roaming as 'Cooper'/'bad Cooper' impersonator in the last season of the series. I am convinced you aren't anything like that.:-)
That's a rather dark place to go. Modern media certainly likes to take people there.

FWIW, I was thinking more along the lines of the fellow who killed the wolf at the end of Little Red Riding Hood. -In a dark and dangerous wood, I liked the idea of a caretaker who has undertaken to know its ways and dispense with predators.

The yokel who slapped his feet and blood over Pelosi's desk, however was very close...I don't know how acquainted you are in dealing with an enraged mob being trapped in a building, but I can assure you from own experience that is not pretty. Those were real moments of terror for politicians, staffers and policemen inside. Mob attacks have been part of terror playbooks in history from lynching to political pressure and fomenting insurrections... and comparing the Capitol attach with Kristallnacht wasn't far fetched - if that upsets you.
I think in terms of parallels it was more a Reichstag Fire than a Kristallnacht. Very false-flaggy, with a cast of Antifa and Useful Idiots attending the key roles. It certainly didn't serve Trump's aims, and we note that he immediately condemned the action and indeed seemed emotionally defeated by it; it was the moment which broke him and his chances at legal recourse against the crimes levied against his election run. I don't think he intended for a violent display, nor expected one. It was far out of character for MAGA rallies. When you look at how many people were at the rally, it is clear that the violence was the work of a tiny percentage of unhinged.


Now, the enemy is not the people - be them left or right, blue collar or rich, liberals or conservatives - it's always the toxic ideology that poisons people's minds. When the mistrust and divide are seeded and irresponsibly exploited, the mob instincts kick in inevitably and become the most destructive force - which can lead to death, as it happened on January 6th. The most ridiculous part: it's easier than ever to do it today, the 'influencer' and clicks monetization culture has created these monsters: Q-anon, ex-secret intelligence youtube analysts spewing disinformation and conspiracies for pennies, closeted "insiders" and anti-establishment warriors, they all bid for fame. It's not the message, it's the noise and sulfur they generate that counts.

And then when a man who rightfully rised to power on a wave of popular support wants to hijack this power for another term, what does he do? He doesn't need to coerce generals, change constitution, liquidate his political opponents, no. He's just using his popular capital to appeal to lowest common denominator and instincts pretending that he's doing the good fight, God's work no less. The message is sent directly via social media, carried by traditional media and gets repeated ad-hypnosis and amplified freely by 'influencers' - look, he's really telling it as it is, he's really sticking it to "them" - and by the time you hit refresh every yokel with a phone and internet brings another 10 yokels and storms the Capitol screaming 'stop the steal'.

Who's the fascist now? Using the mob as tool for political leverage and terror is the lowest you can go.
I agree.

And compared to 2020's Summer of Main Street burning and looting at the hands of Antifa, Trump's reaction was positively commendable; one of taking responsibility and telling people to go home in love rather than provide not-so-silent approval and support, -and repeatedly bailing out violent activists.

It would appear that you've got the polarities on your perception filters flipped the wrong way. -No easy thing to avoid these days, given the wall-to-wall propaganda and social pressures, but definitely worth stopping to think about.

Now, I'm not advocating restraining anyone's freedom and right to expression, but who's responsibility is to filter and discern information? The Ministry of Truth? No. Every individual? I betcha. The enablers (i'e. social media co's)? Who else?


Next: where does the buck stop? who's responsibility is for the terror, insecurity and damage done to other people and to the democratic institutions in a civilized society? Those who did it? It is their individual responsibility, of course. But we assume the best in people, they are driven by sincere beliefs and hopes, you and me although of different opinions and colors, have the same best intentions after all. Then who's responsible when it comes to commit crime for a belief? The only viable answer remains the instigator of this divide and actions.

On Arnold's video, regardless of his celebrity status, I am sure the man spoke from his heart, as an immigrant in this country, and he used to be friends with Trump and know him intimately as many others who left him shaking their head... I have voted for Trump myself in 2016 and recently, but what he did post-election, and especially the DC rally and what followed disqualifies him in any respect - he needs to disappear from the political scene and into oblivion.
If we are being serious, though, it wasn't really an election. It was a cynical pantomime of an election where the will of the people was subverted and the pathocratic elites grabbed power. Fighting an illegitimate, deeply unfair action is only a bad thing if you happen to be a pathocrat or have fallen under their spell.

Time to wake up!
 
I respect the idea of using our intellectual center and being logical but (that evil word) what if there may be more at stake than just being logical (maybe we will get "some help"). What if the rules we have been living under change?

I agree it certainly looks like we may be up sh#t's creek ("DOOM") as some say.

On the other hand a "doom" minded mindset may not be needed. What if we may be witness to different "rules" as we go along.

I try to use my intellect when it is appropriate, and I think it is appropriate in this situation where people keep posting fanciful, baseless claims that do not map to reality. So in that case, I'm using my intellect to push back against some people's desire to indulge in pure fantasy. I don't think that's a bad thing. It should also not be construed as "doom and gloom". The chances of falling into a doom and gloom perspective are, IMO, increased by indulging in magical thinking, because when such thinking fails (as it inevitably does) the believer had farther to 'fall'.

I feel like you and others are sometimes discouraged as much as the rest of us. I try to remember what the Cs have said in case we forget. I thank you for being as observant as you are.

This may be irrelevant so feel free to write it off that way if there is no relevance.

I feel like Galatea put it in the following session:

I think I said a few pages back that I was disappointed. For me, sorting out truth from lies and knowing, to the greatest extent possible, what is *actually* happening is what gives me hope that we can successfully navigate the turmoil ahead and, as such, gives me hope for the future. Hopefully that explains where I am coming from. I'm not interested in believing, I want to KNOW.
 
Let's laugh a bit, one "post" on GAB, Twitter's concurrent :
_https://gab.com/PatriotCane/posts/105536474307569991

I put a "_" because GAB is slow, you'll have to copy/paste the link to see the post. But here's below the image in the post :
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Oh, also: retired generals have indicated that Trump has a cult like status in the military. Might be helpful to keep that in mind.

@Heather,

Maybe you could expand on that a bit. I personally know that there are to say the least there are a few "good men" out there in the military who fully want to support Trump (perhaps with some reservations?) though if you are "people" by definition you are an STS being 3D and all that .

And as for sceptics, well we are all entitled to our opinions and hopefully we ealize this is not your average "rodeo". If you take into consideration the 4th density aspect of the great "experiment" we whould not have a clue. If not for the Cs I would really have no clue. So thank you @Laura for The Secret Hisory of The World (and how to get out alive.
 
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