The Ice Age Cometh! Forget Global Warming!
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So some data is emerging that suggests the Solar Maximum is on its way earlier than usual.
www.sott.net
This is the second account of the same trend, the first of which I posted earlier in the thread, with a good dose of "huh?"
www.sott.net
It could be a small crest in activity, followed by another plunge into solar inactivity. It's anybody's guess what Sol is doing, or will do, as Nemesis approaches. And as The Wave approaches.
So I don't know what's going on, but will continue to pay attention. I don't think this means that we're outta the woods in terms of an Ice Age. The snow all over the Southern hemisphere, cool temperatures and poor growing seasons, and mass flooding in the Northern hemisphere fit the Ice Age model. But maybe this data suggests it will be a mini Ice Age, and not a return to a glacial maximum?
One clear implication, however, is that with the Earth's magnetic field is so weak right now, even a small uptick in solar activity that the two above articles indicate will have amplified catastrophic results.
www.sott.net
Solar max might come a year early -- Sott.net
Solar Cycle 25 is heating up faster than expected. The latest sign may be found in sunspot counts from July 2021. Continuing a trend that started last year, they overperform the official forecast. Issued by the NOAA/NASA Solar Cycle 25 Prediction...
www.sott.net
This is the second account of the same trend, the first of which I posted earlier in the thread, with a good dose of "huh?"
Solar Cycle 25: Is a Termination Event imminent?
Something big may be about to happen on the sun. "We call it the Termination Event," says Scott McIntosh, a solar physicist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR), "and it's very, very close to happening." If you've never heard of...
www.sott.net
It could be a small crest in activity, followed by another plunge into solar inactivity. It's anybody's guess what Sol is doing, or will do, as Nemesis approaches. And as The Wave approaches.
So I don't know what's going on, but will continue to pay attention. I don't think this means that we're outta the woods in terms of an Ice Age. The snow all over the Southern hemisphere, cool temperatures and poor growing seasons, and mass flooding in the Northern hemisphere fit the Ice Age model. But maybe this data suggests it will be a mini Ice Age, and not a return to a glacial maximum?
One clear implication, however, is that with the Earth's magnetic field is so weak right now, even a small uptick in solar activity that the two above articles indicate will have amplified catastrophic results.
Minor CME leads to geomagnetic storm: Grid failure all but guaranteed by 2024 -- Sott.net
The sun may have been quiet over the past week or so, but that didn't stop our planet's magnetic field allowing a minor CME to break its defenses and push the indexes into geomagnetic storm territory. A minor coronal mass ejection (CME) erupted...
www.sott.net
Palinurus
The Living Force
New research (August 5, 2021) about AMOC (Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation) has been published here (behind paywall).
Source (Dutch only): https://www.trouw.nl/wetenschap/golfstroom-dreigt-stil-te-vallen-met-ijskoude-gevolgen~bed74256/
I'm sorry for the blatant propaganda about human triggered climate change - but that's mainstream reporting in a nutshell.
Source (Dutch only): https://www.trouw.nl/wetenschap/golfstroom-dreigt-stil-te-vallen-met-ijskoude-gevolgen~bed74256/
I'm sorry for the blatant propaganda about human triggered climate change - but that's mainstream reporting in a nutshell.
In recent conversations amongst my neighbours and local network about the coming cold, I've found that the AMOC discussion like your above post is very useful - because it fits into the AGW model. It can allow one to talk about preparing for the impending Ice Age without having to blow someone's mind with all the implications of plasma cosmology.
It's only been a few times, but if someone I know seems keen and open, I share some hard data about the gulf stream and jet stream shutdowns. This is linked with historical evidence, such as is mentioned in White's book, A Cold Welcome, including descriptions of all the dead wildlife, livestock, fruit trees, etc. I mention the recent reports that Europe pretty much didn't have a spring this year - in effect, it's already here. And then see what they say, and go from there.
So it's not the full story, but still enough information to communicate the situation we're in.
Palinurus
The Living Force
I agree that we can use those types of 'harmless' and officially sanctioned mainstream news tidbits for our own purposes but that's not what the mainstream news outlets themselves are pursuing, I think.
Beware that you do not confuse or conflate these two very distinct aims in your own mind.
According to this latest suspiciousobservers report the gulf stream is shutting down. We kind of knew that sooner or later the gulf stream will have reached this shutting down point due to the increasing of the earth changes and other factors, still it seems that now we're about to reach that ice age threshold the C's mentioned recently. The next winter may be a really tough one it seems.
Debra Lynn
Jedi
This came out in 2020 but I found no forum posts on it so thought I'd share. The approaching ice age is not a laughing matter but this made me smile. Glacier National Park was caught stealthily trying to change their signs saying the glaciers would be gone by 2020. The'experts' are proven wrong once again.
nypost.com
The telling tale of Glacier National Park’s ‘gone by 2020’ signs
Never put a time limit on your doomsday predictions. This rookie error has been the undoing of charlatans, cultists and false prophets through the ages, from Martin of Tours, who predicted that the…
nypost.com
We've been seeing very cool conditions under a cloud bank for almost the last 1-1/2 week's. No complaints.
Though other areas are very warm as many are aware, or are experiencing. Talk about extremes.
A possible mild dusting of la neige in the higher elevations.
K2SKI
When will it next snow in France?
Snow is next forecast to fall in France over the next week, in at least 10 Ski Resorts including Chamonix, La Grave, La Plagne, Montchavin-Les Coches and The Three Valleys.
www.canoncitydailyrecord.com
17th August 2021 Canon City Daily Record
It follows heavy snow last week and there are set to be some of the best conditions of the winter. The country has gone into a snap lockdown so it will be a few days before people can enjoy the conditions. NEW & UPDATE
PUBLISHED: August 17, 2021 at 5:04 p.m. | UPDATED: August 17, 2021 at 5:08 p.m.
17th August 2021
Weather Prediction Center
(Latest Discussion - Issued 0804Z Aug 18, 2021)
In the West, a potent cold front pushed by an upper-level low will
continue slowly moving through the Northern High Plains back into the
Central Great Basin through tonight, likely pushing past the Central
Rockies later on Thursday. The energy provided by this system as monsoonal
moisture streams into the West will lead to showers and thunderstorms
across much of the interior regions. Marginal to Slight Risks of excessive
rainfall are in place across parts of the Four Corners states and into
Wyoming today, and a Marginal Risk could stretch into the Northern Plains
by Wednesday. There is also potential for severe weather in the Central
High Plains on Thursday for wind and hail threats. Given the strong cold
front, much below normal temperatures especially in terms of highs are
expected, particularly today in Montana, where highs could be as much as
30 degrees below average. Milder than normal temperatures also stretch
into the Great Basin and toward the Southwest today, with the Central
Rockies seeing cooler temperatures on Thursday as the cold front pushes
eastward. Unfortunately, poor air quality persists in portions of the West
despite the cooldown.
Snowfall Probability Forecasts
www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov
NZ:
Though other areas are very warm as many are aware, or are experiencing. Talk about extremes.
A possible mild dusting of la neige in the higher elevations.
K2SKI
When will it next snow in France?
Snow is next forecast to fall in France over the next week, in at least 10 Ski Resorts including Chamonix, La Grave, La Plagne, Montchavin-Les Coches and The Three Valleys.
Snow? Colorado’s high peaks may see light flakes Thursday
It is not rare for an August cold front to drop snow on Colorado’s mountains and the incoming cold front serves as a reminder that Colorado’s weather is more clever than you think.
www.canoncitydailyrecord.com
It follows heavy snow last week and there are set to be some of the best conditions of the winter. The country has gone into a snap lockdown so it will be a few days before people can enjoy the conditions. NEW & UPDATE
PUBLISHED: August 17, 2021 at 5:04 p.m. | UPDATED: August 17, 2021 at 5:08 p.m.
17th August 2021
WPC's Short Range Public Discussion
www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov
(Latest Discussion - Issued 0804Z Aug 18, 2021)
In the West, a potent cold front pushed by an upper-level low will
continue slowly moving through the Northern High Plains back into the
Central Great Basin through tonight, likely pushing past the Central
Rockies later on Thursday. The energy provided by this system as monsoonal
moisture streams into the West will lead to showers and thunderstorms
across much of the interior regions. Marginal to Slight Risks of excessive
rainfall are in place across parts of the Four Corners states and into
Wyoming today, and a Marginal Risk could stretch into the Northern Plains
by Wednesday. There is also potential for severe weather in the Central
High Plains on Thursday for wind and hail threats. Given the strong cold
front, much below normal temperatures especially in terms of highs are
expected, particularly today in Montana, where highs could be as much as
30 degrees below average. Milder than normal temperatures also stretch
into the Great Basin and toward the Southwest today, with the Central
Rockies seeing cooler temperatures on Thursday as the cold front pushes
eastward. Unfortunately, poor air quality persists in portions of the West
despite the cooldown.
Snowfall Probability Forecasts
National Forecast Charts
NZ:
A brief discussion about the Beaufort Gyre and threat of ice age.
So some data is emerging that suggests the Solar Maximum is on its way earlier than usual.
Solar max might come a year early -- Sott.net
Solar Cycle 25 is heating up faster than expected. The latest sign may be found in sunspot counts from July 2021. Continuing a trend that started last year, they overperform the official forecast. Issued by the NOAA/NASA Solar Cycle 25 Prediction...
This is the second account of the same trend, the first of which I posted earlier in the thread, with a good dose of "huh?"
Solar Cycle 25: Is a Termination Event imminent?
Something big may be about to happen on the sun. "We call it the Termination Event," says Scott McIntosh, a solar physicist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR), "and it's very, very close to happening." If you've never heard of...
It could be a small crest in activity, followed by another plunge into solar inactivity. It's anybody's guess what Sol is doing, or will do, as Nemesis approaches. And as The Wave approaches.
So I don't know what's going on, but will continue to pay attention. I don't think this means that we're outta the woods in terms of an Ice Age. The snow all over the Southern hemisphere, cool temperatures and poor growing seasons, and mass flooding in the Northern hemisphere fit the Ice Age model. But maybe this data suggests it will be a mini Ice Age, and not a return to a glacial maximum?
One clear implication, however, is that with the Earth's magnetic field is so weak right now, even a small uptick in solar activity that the two above articles indicate will have amplified catastrophic results.
Minor CME leads to geomagnetic storm: Grid failure all but guaranteed by 2024 -- Sott.net
The sun may have been quiet over the past week or so, but that didn't stop our planet's magnetic field allowing a minor CME to break its defenses and push the indexes into geomagnetic storm territory. A minor coronal mass ejection (CME) erupted...
There's another data point to add to the emerging trend that suggests that Grand Solar Minimum is over. The following is from the spaceweather homepage:
SPACE WEATHER BALLOON DATA: Almost once a week, Spaceweather.com and the students of Earth to Sky Calculus fly space weather balloons to the stratosphere over California. These balloons are equipped with sensors that detect secondary cosmic rays, a form of radiation from space that can penetrate all the way down to Earth's surface. Our monitoring program has been underway without interruption for 6 years, resulting in a unique dataset of in situ atmospheric measurements.
Latest results: Our most recent flight on June 25, 2021, confirms a trend of decreasing cosmic radiation:
Cosmic ray dose rates peaked in late 2019, and have been slowly declining ever since. This makes perfect sense. Solar Minimum was in late 2019. During Solar Minimum the sun's magnetic field weakens, allowing more cosmic rays into the solar system. We expect dose rate to be highest at that time.
Now that Solar Minimum has passed, the sun is waking up again. Solar magnetic fields are strengthening, providing a stiffer barrier to cosmic rays trying to enter the solar system. The decline of cosmic radiation above California is a sign that new Solar Cycle 25 is gaining strength.
.Who cares? Cosmic rays are a surprisingly "down to Earth" form of space weather. They can seed clouds, trigger lightning, and penetrate commercial airplanes. According to a study from the Harvard T.H. Chan school of public health, crews of aircraft have higher rates of cancer than the general population. The researchers listed cosmic rays, irregular sleep habits, and chemical contaminants as leading risk factors. Somewhat more controversial studies (#1, #2, #3, #4) llink cosmic rays with cardiac arrhythmias and sudden cardiac death.
En route to the stratosphere, our sensors also pass through aviation altitudes:
In this plot, dose rates are expessed as multiples of sea level. For instance, we see that boarding a plane that flies at 25,000 feet exposes passengers to dose rates ~10x higher than sea level. At 40,000 feet, the multiplier is closer to 50x. The higher you fly, the more radiation you will absorb.
Technical notes:
The radiation sensors onboard our helium balloons detect X-rays and gamma-rays in the energy range 10 keV to 20 MeV. These energies span the range of medical X-ray machines and airport security scanners.
Data points in the first graph ("Stratospheric Radiation") correspond to the peak of the Regener-Pfotzer maximum, which lies about 67,000 feet above central California. When cosmic rays crash into Earth's atmosphere, they produce a spray of secondary particles that is most intense at the entrance to the stratosphere. Physicists Eric Regener and Georg Pfotzer discovered the maximum using balloons in the 1930s and it is what we are measuring today.
So I don't know what to make of it - maybe we got 'enough' cosmic rays to shake things up already. Maybe we're in for another dip in solar activity, in a a roller coaster sunspot ride rather than than a consistent downward trend. Maybe also there's been a reality jump to a less severe Ice Age?
XPan
The Living Force
My understanding from a 3D point of perspective is, that of course, now that we go into a local solar maximum, the cosmic radiation over earth is decreasing.
As it always does every in average 11 years prior solar maximum. But that doesn’t mean the overall solar activity is getting stronger (over a longer timespan than 11 years) - on the contrary, it appears getting weaker instead. As in; weaker maxima and longer/deeper minima with each 11 year cycle.
Hence the overall cosmic radiation is increasing over longer time.
Thanks for this! I've been caught red-handed anticipating this cycle to be somewhat of a 'grander' minimum! Especially with all of the Ice Age weather events like Texas freezing and the Gulf Stream shutting down, crop destruction in Brazil, and other correlated cosmic-ray Earth Changes popping off everywhere.
So I wasn't taking into account the long view of things. Like how the Maunder Minimum lasted from 1645-1715, according to Wikipedia. That's 70 years. I think this misunderstanding has a psychological origin in me - I was interpreting the 'Grand Solar Minimum' data incorrectly from a subconscious position of 'impending doom'. So when this new data started showing up, I was like, "huh"?
So it makes sense that the 11 year sunspot cycles would continue, not just stop right away. In the Maunder Minimum graph attached below, there is a somewhat normal high-cycle sunspot activity, then a steep drop for what looks like two cycles - and then they stop for 70 years. I was assuming we were in the flatline already.
There's also no telling if this Ice Age will be anything like the Maunder Minimum, but its good to have previous data to provide context, compare, contemplate. Could be that next cycle, we'll be in the flatline. Who knows? And then the duration of the flatline - again, nobody knows. Unless there is some indication, for instance in the transcripts? Or in the body of literature, either scientific or mythological?
I must admit, it was kinda nice to see good ol' Sol start up his dance routine again...