colloidal silver: man turning blue

domi

The Living Force
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The below video is quite interesting. It's about a man who uses colloidal silver on a daily basis who believes he turned blue after rubbing it on his face.
_http://youtube.com/watch?v=3XV0I6Q70Yw

After watching this news report I came away thinking that here was some subtle linking of colloidal silver with this skin condition.
 
I think you are right.

"Colloidal silver is a suspension of submicroscopic metallic silver particles in a colloidal base. Long-term use of silver preparations can lead to argyria, a condition in which silver salts deposit in the skin, eyes, and internal organs, and the skin turns ashen-gray. Many cases of argyria occurred during the pre-antibiotic era when silver was a common ingredient in nosedrops. When the cause became apparent, doctors stopped recommending their use, and reputable manufacturers stopped producing them. The official drug guidebooks (United States Pharmacopeia and National Formulary) have not listed colloidal silver products since 1975."
Stephen Barrett, M.D.

Although advocates of using colloidal silver say this only happens if the silver particles are too large...

Jeff.
 
JP said:
Although advocates of using colloidal silver say this only happens if the silver particles are too large...

Jeff.
Actually, it's my understanding that this condition only manifests when 'silver salts' are used - it has no correlation with colloidal silver (silver water) at all. That's according to the research I've done - but if others know differently, I'm sure they'll speak up.
 
anart said:
JP said:
Although advocates of using colloidal silver say this only happens if the silver particles are too large...

Jeff.
Actually, it's my understanding that this condition only manifests when 'silver salts' are used - it has no correlation with colloidal silver (silver water) at all. That's according to the research I've done - but if others know differently, I'm sure they'll speak up.
Distilled water must be used when making colloidal silver. If not, the conductivity of normal mineral water is much much higher and produces a heckofa lot more silver ions in the water. A normal healthy dose should be around 15 parts per million (ppm). When mineral water is used it can create thousands of ppm; it was my understanding that this is what produces Argyria (blue skin). There may be some relation with silver salts and silver reacting with mineral water - I don't know.
 
Although it does give me the blues, here are few things that I like to emphasize :

- What better proof can one have that silver is almost entirely non-toxic to eukaryotic cells such as human cells ?

- He does seem to drink a LOT of his own made colloidal silver and he does this daily. Few drops should suffice for common ailments.

- He should use distilled water, and rinse the electrolysis chamber (glass) and his electrodes with distilled water. He should not touch the electrodes with his fingers as he does in the video, because than he will no longer have distilled water.

- It is only his face that turned blue, so he is probably right to conclude that he did not get it from drinking it (alone) but of (also?) rubbing it on his face to treat a skin condition.

- Despite the argyria condition of his face, he keeps on drinking it ? Either he is nuts or he somehow became convinced of its benefits. I bet for the latter, because that is also my personal experience.
 
doesn't surprise me this was on CNN. In the hapless minds of the american sheeple all you have to do is associate collidal silver with 'that guy that turned blue' and the automatic response is 'i don't want to turn blue, I'm staying away from collidal silver'...
 
There are a series of videos, at youtube, of some colloidal silver pep talks given by Robert Beck. They offer extremely bad and dangerous colloidal silver advice. Beck also overly simplified the research of Dr Royal Rife and created a small “zapper” and preaches its debatable effectiveness in ridding the body of pathogens. In Beck’s talks he raves about the benefits which he has received from the simple silver concoction which he produces from tap water, two strips of silver and a couple of 9v batteries. The blue man in this current video is obviously a proponent of this extremely bad method of silver colloid preparation. By the way, Mr Beck is now dead… possibly of his own ignorance, but his videos have taken on a life of their own on the web. Those who view this material without discernment, or worse, actually begin to generate the silver without due diligence set themselves up for a "blue man" spot on CNN in a year or so... a rather dubious "15 minutes of fame".

Using low voltage methods to make silver colloids is an acceptable method for creating a safe and marginally effective antibacterial substance, BUT it must be done properly. The first item required is very high quality distilled water. The preferred Us reading should be below 0.5 for dissolved solids. For example, my tap water reads Us 1200.0+. Using tap water to react a silver colloid is dangerous for it is creating toxic silver salts. Also of great importance is the purity of the silver itself. It should never be below .999 (99.9%) of assayed purity. Never use coins of less than .999. The alloys used to harden coins for currency circulation will produce some really nasty salts if used in colloidal silver generation. Pre 1964 silver coins are 90% silver… the devil is in the 10% that is not silver. If coins must be employed, I would suggest the Canadian silver Mapleleaf (.999).

The condition argyria is caused by the oral consumption of silver salts. It cannot be caused by applying the badly made product topically to the skin, as the smurf in the vid surmises. It is the large Ag salt particles which collect beneath the skin, being too big to be passed through the pores in normal respiration (perspiration), hence they eventually build up, discoloring the skin. The condition argyria has no other known effect than a cosmetic one.

This being said, I would point out that the pharmaceutical industry, in conjunction with their cohorts in the mainstream media, run the argyria scare story at least once a year. The purpose for this is to frighten people away from the incredible leaps forward in advanced silver medical research, since some of the amazingly broad spectrum, non-toxic products now coming forth from this work threaten the enormous market for antibiotic sales. The psy-op manages to tar all silver preparations with the same wide brush.

I market the products of a biotech company making arguably the most advanced silver sol nutritional supplements in the world. They hold 4 EPA approvals for use in killing yeasts, molds and fungus (black mold being the primary culprit for the approval application), in use as a dental office water line disinfectant, for disinfecting drinking water and as a non-toxic surface disinfectant in hospitals and clinics against antibiotic resistant bacteria (specifically MRSA and emerging resistant streps). In addition to the EPA approvals, there are two US Patents for the manufacturing process and one US Patent for the engineered silver nanoparticle itself… the first ever issued for a specific silver particle. USPTO link http://tinyurl.com/yceqd6

These products (at a 10 ppm strength) have cured malaria in final stage terminal patients in African hospital studies, in about 5 days, for under $5.00 per patient. They also cured, in these African studies, tuberculosis, gonorrhea, respiratory infections, vaginal infections (both yeast and bacterial), an enormous variety of skin infections, HIV, and a host of other common but lethal, third world bacterial, viral and fungal maladies.

The results of these studies, along with the accumulated safety studies, were sent to the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation, who at the time were gung ho to stamp out malaria in Africa. The response was a deafening silence. The WHO immediately requested the science and samples. That was over four years ago. No other word has been heard from them since. This is not surprising since the WHO represents the interests of the pharmaceutical industry. The African studies are ongoing to date, with over 1000 recorded malaria cures and no failures of treatment.

I have withheld writing about this, due to the SOTT forum ban on advertising. After discussing it with Joe, he encouraged me to go ahead, and I have been putting together a Word document to post when complete, but this current MSM argyria scare story has prompted me to jump the gun and weigh in now.

In the interest of advancing knowledge, over making sales, you do not have to acquire these products from our project, as they are readily available in finer nutrition and vitamin stores across the US, including GNC. These are sold to the public through brick and mortar retail stores labeled as Silver Biotics.

I will post informational links to our site, but they are not there to hustle your business, rather to inform. In the nutritional supplement sales industry rating service, SPINS, these products are now the #1 silver supplements sold in the US. This is based on actual cash register receipts of retail consumer transactions, not wholesale.

Low voltage homemade colloidal silvers are ionic. Ionic silver particles carry a positive charge which makes them bind with just about any other mineral or compound in which they come in contact. This is why the advocates of this form of silver recommend such large oral doses, sometimes up to 16 ounces, or more consumed daily to address an established infection. This leads to consumption levels of badly made silvers which will initiate the condition of argyria.

The new silver sols are in excess of 97% pure elemental silver in a nanoparticle size range of 5-7 nm. Their bioavailability is stated as being around 98%. That is, 98% of the orally consumed substance enters the blood stream, compared to 100% of an intravenous injection. This means that doses as low as 1 or 2 teaspoons full per day are far more effective in preventing infection, as well as addressing systemically established pathogenic colonies, than the large doses of larger particle ionic preparations… whether home made or commercially prepared. Over 99+% of these sols are removed from the body via the urinary tract and perspiration within 48 hours. Here are the summaries of the safety research done with the American Biotech Labs products: http://www.lifesilver.com/ABL_SafetyStudies.pdf


Due to the novel high voltage, AC, manufacturing process for the new silver sols, these nanoparticles possess an oxide shell having a negative charge. It is suspected, by Viridis Biopharma, of Mumbai, India (who has published two peer reviewed papers to date on these products), that this is the reason why these products do not affect the probiotics in the gut, but remain highly effective against microbial pathogens. Research is currently underway to determine the cause for this "selectivity".

The Brigham Young University Department of Microbiology conducted the initial in vitro bacterial study. It is here: http://www.lifesilver.com/brigham.pdf

Another peer reviewed paper published last year, drafted by 8 internationally recognized materials scientists and headed by Penn State’s, Dr Rustum Roy, looks at the unique properties of these silver sols. The findings from this 4 year study were the basis for American Biotech Labs, November, 2006, particle patent approval. That paper, in its entirety is here: http://www.americanbiotechlabs.com/researchArticles/Silver%20water%20paper%20MRI%20vol%2011%20is%201.pdf

Comments from that paper, with regard to the ABL products:

"We examined some half a dozen commercially available 'silver colloid' products from various manufacturers, but we spent considerably more time and attention on the product of a new manufacturer (American Biotech Laboratories). This product was made by the extraordinary process of using very high voltage [...]"

"We chose reliable commercial products which had demonstrated outstanding and powerful antibiotic effects in easily reproduced in vitro experiments."

"The very potent biologically active silver aquasols contained, typically, the amounts of silver claimed by the manufacturer, typically from 10 to 30 ppm by weight of Ag. The silver was very pure as was the water."

"The existence of these latter 'mobile', 5 nm, metallic, silver-containing units with some kind of oxide 'layers' or 'skins' around them may be a very significant finding in looking for the cause of the bio-activity."
It is my personal opinion, based on reading the past work of Canadian professor Donad W. Scott (derived from US FOIA documents), and others, that there have been a plethora of bioweaponized, resistant bacteria and brucellosis based mycoplasmas released into the general population of the planet over the past 70 years. Many of these are very slow acting, immune disabling agents (chronic fatigue symdrome, Lyme, fibromyalgia, AIDS, etc.). This is ongoing. In reading statements brought forth in the original Cass transcripts, and remarks made recently by such ignobles as Dr. “Death” Pianka, of the University of Texas Microbiology Department, Rockefellerian eugenics are alive and well, as, it seems, are the plans for population reduction planet wide.

It is also my personal opinion that fortunes are being made in producing nostrums to treat the symptoms of these modified pathogens, without producing definitive cures. Anything which stands in the way of the siphoning off the wealth of the population, while generating the maximum “harvest” in angst, pain and suffering, in the process of an early death, is simply not going to be tolerated, be it broad spectrum medical silver preparations or high dose vitamin nutritional supplementation. Therefore we see the media regularly demonizing and marginalizing effective herbal, vitamin and silver use.

In an effort to in some way offer counteracting knowledge to what appears to be a highly concerted effort to do us in, I participated in the formation of lifesilver.com project. Please feel free to take from this website whatever you wish. You are under no obligation to purchase anything. There is much science and information there and more on the way.

If you wish to learn how to make your own colloidal silver SAFELY, I recommend the generators made by SilverGen or SilverPuppy. You can find links to these two well made, simple to use and rather sophisticated products for home use by googling them. The SilverPuppy will run on a wide variety of power sources. I personally own the SilverPuppy and am very happy with it. I use the products from this generator for household disinfecting, garden blights, sneaker and dog bed deodorizing and as an additive to the rinse cycle of my laundry. I use the American Biotech Labs silver sols for daily oral supplementation and have remained infection free for over eight years now… and counting. But, there may come a day when the only silver that I have access to will be that which I can make for myself. I would like that to be as high quality as possible. During a plague, any well made silver colloid is better than none, or so I think.

Another very good learning resource for colloidal silver production is: http://www.silvermedicine.org/
Jason, the site owner is very knowledgeable and offers plans for everything from the proper way to build and use a basic battery operated generator, right on up to some very sophisticated designs. One warning, I cannot say the same for most of the Google linked silver ads that are on his site… There is some really rotten silver information on the web. Caveat Lector!

On the other hand, there are a few sources of valid colloidal silver information that might make your life very much better. Sadly, the blaring noise from the control system's mighty Wurlitzer frightens many away from any faint signal. There are no telling how many minds that will slam shut permanently, on any silver medical topic, after viewing CNN's, Mr Smurf.

Knowledge protects. Ignorance endangers.
 
Rabelais,

Very good information on the silver, which is a valuable tool. Also, not mentioned but worthy of note, is that colloidal silver in combination with high grade bentonite, mixed in a paste will cure skin cancer. And mixed with zinc will heal open skin lesions.

We have seen silver from the silver puppy cure a dog's skin with some kind of unidentified funk that the vet said would kill her, she healed and is running around today. Mixed in a nebulizer, and inhaled, (please use only high quality!) it will take out the brucellosis, mycoplasms, etc. My son, who used to get really really ill (we're talking life support here) now rarely gets ill at all, and silver (along with homeopathy) is one of the huge factors. Thanks for all the info, it is very timely, and I'm glad to see it come out into view.
 
Hi alwyn,

I would not presume to state that any silver will actually kill/neutralize the brucellosis mycoplasmas, as they are simply bits of genetically altered DNA which invade host cells. There have been no clinical studies, to date, using the American Biotech Labs products (or any others to my knowledge) against any of the symptomatic manifestations of this disease agent, i.e., Lyme, fibromyalgia, MS, CFS, etc.

According to Professor Scott, these agents can ride around in us indefinitely without ever presenting symptoms. It is only when the immune system is challenged by either disease or trauma that the opportunity for symptoms from this pathogenic substance seems to present.

Lifesilver.com gets a lot of mail from sufferers of these conditions who report amazing symptomatic relief after just a very short period of starting with the elemental nanoparticle silver sols, but, in light of no available science, I have to question; is the silver really deactivating the causal mycoplasma pathogen, or is it simply clearing the body of a host of other systemically established bugs that are causing low grade chronic infections that the subjects have just learned to live with. Once free of these minor infections, is the immune actually suppressing, or once again controlling the myalgic condition?

There is so much that we don't yet know. I would encourage anyone suffering from a mycoplasma condition, or diagnosed with the catch all "fibromyalgia", to read the books that Donald Scott wrote; The Extremely Unfortunate Skull Valley Incident and the sequel, The Brucellosis Triangle. Both are now out of print, but you can find copies if you really dig. Perhaps The Red Pill Press could do a new edition. hint hint

These books are, to the murky world of government bioterror, what Dolan's book was to the National Security State. You will never really grasp the enormity of the horror that is being perpetrated upon us until you read what this researcher found within the government's own paperwork. Most of that paperwork was later destroyed, and the US Senate once actually had to ask Canadian professor Scott for a copy of one of their own documents.
 
Good old Amazon has it.

_http://www.amazon.com/Extremely-Unfortunate-Skull-Valley-Incident/dp/1553695542/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1198377721&sr=8-1

But not the sequel.

Cheers,
Jeff.
 
Rabelais said:
There is so much that we don't yet know. I would encourage anyone suffering from a mycoplasma condition, or diagnosed with the catch all "fibromyalgia", to read the books that Donald Scott wrote; The Extremely Unfortunate Skull Valley Incident and the sequel, The Brucellosis Triangle. Both are now out of print, but you can find copies if you really dig
First book "The Extremely Unfortunate Skull Valley Incident" by Donald and William Scott

http://www.trafford.com/02-0367


196 pages
quality trade paperback (softcover)
catalogue #02-0367
ISBN 1-55369-554-2
US$24.95
C$33.95
EUR22.10
L15.30

And second book "The Brucellosis Triangle"

http://www.consumerhealth.org/books/index.cfm?ID=2675


The Neurodegenerative/Systemic-Degenerative Diseases

SCOTT, Donald, MD, & William

Other Information
Publisher: The Chelmsford Publishers
Date: 1998
Price: $25.00
Length: 146
Size: 9 x 11
Categories: Health Hazards
 
Hi JP, Blacki,

I just received the new updated edition of The Extremely Unfortunate Skull Valley Incident, published in 2002. It has a lot more recent data and I would advise anyone ordering it to make certain that you are getting the more recent edition. That probably won't be an issue unless you find a source for a used copy, since both books were sold out and out of print for a while.

Good catch Blacki on the source for copies of The Brucellosis Triangle. I tried to find a source for that a few months ago and got bupkiss. I am glad to see that Chelmsford Publishers are still in business. They seemed to have gone under a couple of years ago. I tried to call them and got a disconnected telephone message. This company is owned by the Scotts.

Both of these books are real eye openers, especially the revelations about the NIH, CDC, and such supposedly private groups as the American Cancer Society involvement in the research that gave us AIDS and its non-lethal but incapacitating CFIDS.

So many people are now suffering from symptoms that the allopaths cannot diagnose... and their causal factors all lead right back to the bioweapons research which began in the 40s. DNA polymerase chain tests, performed by clinics who are looking specifically for the brucellosis mycoplasmas are the only way to definitively pin down these symptoms to their cause, and therefore prove the illness that insurance companies and health plans are then forced to pay benefits to treat. Its not the "all in their heads yuppy flu" that the PTB tried so vigorously to promote. The one clinic which could do this work, in New Zealand, has closed from lack of funding. Sound familiar?
 
Yes, argyria (skin greying) is a very real side effect of excessive usage of colloidal silver.

But diabetes, pancreatitis and heart disease are very real side effects of excessive usage of sugar.

Cirrhosis of the liver and heart failure are very real side effects of the excessive usage of iron supplements. '

Kidney malfunction, calcification of soft tissue within the body, cellular toxicity and impaired immune function are very real side effects of excess usage of calcium.

Muscle pain, fatigue, irritability, depression, schizophrenia, fever, liver damage and anemia are very real side effects of the excessive usage of Vitamin A.

What's more, DEATH is a very real side effect of the excessive usage of...water (it's called "drowning").

None of those side effects justify being afraid to use the substances mentioned. Why? Because the key phrase involved in each one is "excessive use." When used in moderation, these substances are not only benign, but helpful. When used in excess, they can cause serious health consequences.

It is exactly the same with colloidal silver. If you use it in moderation it is completely harmless, and in fact extremely beneficial for boosting immunity and warding off infections of all sorts. It even helps the body heal from chronic degenerative diseases such as lupus, MS, rheumatoid arthritis, chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, Lyme disease and a host of others that often are caused by underlying hidden infections. But if used in excess daily over long periods of time, the result can be argyria, or skin-staining. It is a harmless, but cosmetically unappealing condition resulting from silver particles being pushed to the skin (the body's third major organ of elimination) at which point they oxidize (or tarnish)from exposure to the sun.

Out of the estimated 10 million users of colloidal silver throughout North America, only a very small handful have been naive, ignorant or ill-informed enough to take such excessive quantities over such long periods of time to result in skin-staining. It is ridiculous to blame the substance for the mis-use by the person. That's kinda like saying water is terrrible for you because several thousand people a year die in it due to drowning.

For anyone interested in learning about safe and common sense colloidal silver usage, please visit our web site at _www.thesilveredge.com and download our FREE special report titled “What's the "Safest" Daily Dosage for Colloidal Silver?” which uses the EPA’s (Environmental Protection Agency) own figures to determine how much colloidal silver is safe to take daily. Just use the link in the located in the upper left-hand corner of the home page.

Also, if you want to learn even more about the safe usage of colloidal silver, a company called Life & Health Research Group has recently placed their one-hour, studio-quality Colloidal Silver Secrets video on sale for only twenty bucks. If features Steve Barwick, author of The Ultimate Colloidal Silver Manual, being interviewed relentlessly by television personality Kristyn Burtt on just about every aspect of colloidal silver usage you can imagine.
 
Hi Spencer

From what I can see, you are pointing out the obvious facts of over use that most (if not all) readers of these forums are aware. Then you procede to advertise products from a few companies and you whole post adds up to what I can see as an advertisement.
 
spencerjones said:
Yes, argyria (skin greying) is a very real side effect of excessive usage of colloidal silver.
This statement is false. Argyria is the result of consuming silver salts... NOT a pure elemental silver colloid. Silver salts can be created when making an electrically isolated ionic silver preparation. This is usually the result of less than pure water or silver employed.

Before the introduction of antibiotics, pharmaceutical companies made and offered some incredibly potent (up to 300,000 ppm) silver salt preparations. They were just about all that was available at that time for treating syphilis and gonorrhea. These were the sources of the original argyria cases.

Modern nanoparticle silver sols in a solution strength of 10 - 50 ppm are so highly bioavailable and require such small quantities to address infectious conditions that the amounts listed in the EPA reports (EPA RED document for silver, page 2, 4th paragraph), to bring on the condition of argyria, are never remotely approached. This would also presume that the silver never left the body, which the elemental nanoparticle silver does, very quickly (99+% within the first 48 hours, the remainder within a week, with the exception of minute traces left in the hair and nails).

spencerjones said:
It even helps the body heal from chronic degenerative diseases such as lupus, MS, rheumatoid arthritis, chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, Lyme disease [...]
I would also like to see the science that supports this statement. Aside from clearing the body of other immune challenges which might hamper addressing the above conditions, I know of no research involving silver (in any manifestation) and any of these diseases listed. This does not mean that there is none, but I have never heard of it and I spend a lot of time looking for this sort of research. I do not know that anyone is actually ever "healed" from these conditions.
 
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