1520-1630 – Comets, Cassiopeia Supernova and build up to mini-Ice age – a century of portents, plague and earth changes

[Mari]

To continue this discussion away from the thread on drones... (And this appears to me most similar thread to the topic at hand.)

My best bet that events from 1500s in Nürnberg and Basel are cosmic rather than UFOs is because of the following.

As I´ve already said:

Those a likely to be depictions of debris/meteors from a comet.
If you check out chronology i.e. here, or Laura´s books and articles on comets, both these events came after a great catastrophes caused by cosmic bombardment, floods, earthquakes and plagues around the world. And of course wars.
Also, it is the time of witch hunts, which came exactly on the tail of those catastrophes.

Most probably there were also bunch of UFOs flying around, feeding on a misery, but my bet for these is that both are comet and meteor´s depictions.

Then you explained that:

Hans Glaser's article (Himmelserscheinung über Nürnberg vom 14. April 1561) includes a famous illustration depicting what happened that day and a text detailing what the witnesses saw:

"On the morning of April 4, 1561, at dawn, between 4 and 5 o'clock in the morning, a terrible apparition occurred in the Sun and was witnessed by many men and women throughout the city of Nuremberg. At first there appeared in the middle of the Sun two semicircular arcs, blood-red, just like the waning Moon. Above, below and to the sides the Sun was blood-red and there was a round ball, metallic (ferrous) and black. On both sides there were also more spheres in great numbers, three in a line, four in a square and several single spheres. Between these spheres there were several very visible red crosses and large tubes or bars with more spheres inside.
They all began to fight each other, in a "So the first spheres flew to where those on the sides of the Sun were, and the tubes went towards the Sun, fighting each other for more than an hour. When the fight was over, they all fell from the Sun to the earth as if they had been burned and were consumed on the earth with an immense smoke. After this, a kind of black spear remained in the sky, very long and thick, with the axis pointing towards the east. What these signs mean, only God knows."

It sure sounds like possible massive UFOs sighting, but my particular problem with this theory is first what I explained in my quote above; because of the context of the world events at the time, I lean to the cosmic cause of the event.

The second problem I have is that we have no myths or stories about it; if something of such a significance happened, the PTB would surely want to suppress and censor the knowledge, but I think that the knowledge would survive in the psyche of the people.

What we do have are the stories about the dragons and serpents in the sky, bringing chaos to the humanity until some brave - and virtuous - man appeared and slayed the dragon. (Talk about human-cosmic connection perfectly depicted in the story!)

But no "wars of the gods" in the sky. On a side note, even the story of war in Mahabharata, in which in fact were descriptions of battles in the sky, was said by the Cs to be a mix of celestial events and Atlantis, if I remember correctly.


After all has settled, after years of previous disasters, we don´t know much as most of history was either lost, destroyed or rewritten.
But what we are left with are stories and fairy tales that depict human conditions and evils of the time.

… No one knows who came up with the idea that all the troubles were due to witches, but on 7 August 1428, delegates from seven districts in Valais demanded that the authorities investigate alleged, unknown witches and sorcerers. Anyone denounced as a sorcerer by more than three people was to be arrested. If they confessed, they were to be burned at the stake as heretics, and if they did not confess, they would be tortured until they did so. Also, those pointed out by more than two of the judged sorcerers were to be arrested.

These accusations, trials and executions were probably seen by other elite individuals – or individuals who wished to become members of the elite by seizing the property of those they resented or envied – as a handy way to deal with many problems. The craze rapidly spread north into Germany, then to France and Switzerland. The main accusations consisted of:
· flying through the air and plundering wine cellars;
· lycanthropy – to have killed cattle in the shapes of werewolves;
· to have made themselves invisible with herbs;
· to have cured sickness and paralysis caused by sorcery by giving it to someone else;
· to have abducted and eaten children;
· to have met Satan and learned magic from him;
· to have planned to deprive Christianity of its power over humanity.
From this list, we can surmise the kinds of troubles that the people were suffering: starvation leading to theft and vandalism, destruction of their livestock, widespread sickness, loss of children, and, undoubtedly, even cannibalism. It was clearly a very difficult time.

One hundred years after the Black Death had destroyed about half of Europe’s population, the Hundred Years War was coming to an end, things were still extremely difficult, and in order to restore order and control on the recovering society someone had to be blamed (definitely not cometary explosions).

Knight-Jadczyk, Laura. The Apocalypse: Comets, Asteroids and Cyclical Catastrophes (pp. 73-74). Red Pill Press. Kindle Edition.

So that was the world before the events in Nürnberg and Basel. And all of it wasn´t over yet!

As in a bolded text above, we can see that all those hardships were remembered in the fairy tales (i.e. Grimms' Fairy Tales) and they all steam from Germany and surrounding areas.
We also have stories about the dragon slayers - where snakes and dragons are images associated with comets (for the reference, see also i.e. book I already quoted above "The Apocalypse: Comets, Asteroids and Cyclical Catastrophes").
But I´m not familiar with any story of flying machines or carriages, of wars in the sky, etc.

On the other hand, we have also heard of fairies, vampires, hogs, werewolves, demons, etc.
That indicates that the whole UFO phenomena was, and still is, in hyperdimensional realm, with various beings from legends bringing misfortune to the people and suck out the life out of people.

And all of that with little and very rare actual physical objects roaming in the sky.
What we also see today are mostly those metallic orbs, 4D probes as the Cs have said, and very rarely there is an actually ship on the photographs, which may or may not be fake.

They were and still are in "the realms of gods" and as such do not reveal themselves openly to us mere mortals.

So, yeah, to me, the overall tase of these events from the 1500s is more cosmic than hyperdimensional.

 

[Wandering Star]

To continue this discussion away from the thread on drones... (And this appears to me most similar thread to the topic at hand.)

My best bet that events from 1500s in Nürnberg and Basel are cosmic rather than UFOs is because of the following.

As I´ve already said:


Then you explained that:


It sure sounds like possible massive UFOs sighting, but my particular problem with this theory is first what I explained in my quote above; because of the context of the world events at the time, I lean to the cosmic cause of the event.

The second problem I have is that we have no myths or stories about it; if something of such a significance happened, the PTB would surely want to suppress and censor the knowledge, but I think that the knowledge would survive in the psyche of the people.

What we do have are the stories about the dragons and serpents in the sky, bringing chaos to the humanity until some brave - and virtuous - man appeared and slayed the dragon. (Talk about human-cosmic connection perfectly depicted in the story!)

But no "wars of the gods" in the sky. On a side note, even the story of war in Mahabharata, in which in fact were descriptions of battles in the sky, was said by the Cs to be a mix of celestial events and Atlantis, if I remember correctly.


After all has settled, after years of previous disasters, we don´t know much as most of history was either lost, destroyed or rewritten.
But what we are left with are stories and fairy tales that depict human conditions and evils of the time.



So that was the world before the events in Nürnberg and Basel. And all of it wasn´t over yet!

As in a bolded text above, we can see that all those hardships were remembered in the fairy tales (i.e. Grimms' Fairy Tales) and they all steam from Germany and surrounding areas.
We also have stories about the dragon slayers - where snakes and dragons are images associated with comets (for the reference, see also i.e. book I already quoted above "The Apocalypse: Comets, Asteroids and Cyclical Catastrophes").
But I´m not familiar with any story of flying machines or carriages, of wars in the sky, etc.

On the other hand, we have also heard of fairies, vampires, hogs, werewolves, demons, etc.
That indicates that the whole UFO phenomena was, and still is, in hyperdimensional realm, with various beings from legends bringing misfortune to the people and suck out the life out of people.

And all of that with little and very rare actual physical objects roaming in the sky.
What we also see today are mostly those metallic orbs, 4D probes as the Cs have said, and very rarely there is an actually ship on the photographs, which may or may not be fake.

They were and still are in "the realms of gods" and as such do not reveal themselves openly to us mere mortals.

So, yeah, to me, the overall tase of these events from the 1500s is more cosmic than hyperdimensional.

Good argument.

I don't care.

Many people before you have given their logical explanation for the Nuremberg drawing and its report.

Even with the congruence of the time for the asteroid rain (possibility indicated in the C's sessions), the childish description of the event points to something more.

Interpretation and hypothesis is what everyone does with something explained in the article.

I found it in its entirety, here it is:

In the morning of April 14, 1561, at daybreak, between 4 and 5 a.m., a dreadful apparition occurred on the sun, and then this was seen in Nuremberg in the city, before the gates and in the country – by many men and women. At first there appeared in the middle of the sun two blood-red semi-circular arcs, just like the moon in its last quarter. And in the sun, above and below and on both sides, the color was blood, there stood a round ball of partly dull, partly black ferrous color. Likewise there stood on both sides and as a torus about the sun such blood-red ones and other balls in large number, about three in a line and four in a square, also some alone. In between these globes there were visible a few blood-red crosses, between which there were blood-red strips, becoming thicker to the rear and in the front malleable like the rods of reed-grass, which were intermingled, among them two big rods, one on the right, the other to the left, and within the small and big rods there were three, also four and more globes. These all started to fight among themselves, so that the globes, which were first in the sun, flew out to the ones standing on both sides, thereafter, the globes standing outside the sun, in the small and large rods, flew into the sun. Besides the globes flew back and forth among themselves and fought vehemently with each other for over an hour. And when the conflict in and again out of the sun was most intense, they became fatigued to such an extent that they all, as said above, fell from the sun down upon the earth ‘as if they all burned’ and they then wasted away on the earth with immense smoke. After all this there was something like a black spear, very long and thick, sighted; the shaft pointed to the east, the point pointed west. Whatever such signs mean, God alone knows. Although we have seen, shortly one after another, many kinds of signs on the heaven, which are sent to us by the almighty God, to bring us to repentance, we still are, unfortunately, so ungrateful that we despise such high signs and miracles of God. Or we speak of them with ridicule and discard them to the wind, in order that God may send us a frightening punishment on account of our ungratefulness. After all, the God-fearing will by no means discard these signs, but will take it to heart as a warning of their merciful Father in heaven, will mend their lives and faithfully beg God, that He may avert His wrath, including the well-deserved punishment, on us, so that we may temporarily here and perpetually there, live as his children. For it, may God grant us his help, Amen. By Hanns Glaser, letter-painter of Nurnberg.