2012 Crop Circles

[Gary]

well... :D According to the article in sott "the figure has a number of tentacles or filaments ending in a small area. This is a clear reference to a neuron." (...) "The neuron is a type of nervous system cells with property of transmitting information through electrical impulses. There are so many neurons in our brains like stars in the known universe and the connections between them can be counted in billions. It turns out that there are two and are together and are symmetrical. This is a clear reference to mirror neurons."

I do not know if this makes any sense or not. I guess seeing the article in sott I have given too much credibility... and, maybe, are only "two hands coming from a navel"

fwiw, the 'mirror' aspect of aforementioned crop circle grabbed my attention alot, balancing and symmetrical. I awoke today with the thought that one possible interpretation of the C's recent comments on "small window of opportunity" may be related to the 8th month - August, with 8 having identification for infinity etc.

such as 13th - 31st August (Dianas anniversary): 13831

of course, there are a few other possible mirrored dates for August too, but thats what came to mind fwiw.

Personally, from what the C's have said about "withdrawing from the fray" almost, if not all of this years crop circles do not seem authentic to me, thus far, and viewing photos is obviously no substitute for being in them to get a real 'feel' for them. I have felt 'good' and 'dark' energy' in the ones I have visited - subjective I know! But if anyone can tell me if the C's have commented on the Avebury 2012 and the 888 crop circles (both laid in 2008) I would be very grateful. I felt very joyful in both of those, and was watching a field less than a mile away from the 888 one the night it came down and was fortunate enough to be one of the first in it.

Of course, irrespective of authencity, it they provoke a desire to learn - neurons, chemical structures etc that can be very positive - if one doesn't spend time trying to 'anticipate' the meaning. 'Beware false prophets' and deceptive crop circles too perhaps. I only say this as someone who has spent time following such falseness - all part of my learning for sure - when I could have concentrated on 'cleaning my machine' etc etc :)

 

[Ekios]

well... :D According to the article in sott "the figure has a number of tentacles or filaments ending in a small area. This is a clear reference to a neuron." (...) "The neuron is a type of nervous system cells with property of transmitting information through electrical impulses. There are so many neurons in our brains like stars in the known universe and the connections between them can be counted in billions. It turns out that there are two and are together and are symmetrical. This is a clear reference to mirror neurons."

I do not know if this makes any sense or not. I guess seeing the article in sott I have given too much credibility... and, maybe, are only "two hands coming from a navel"

fwiw, the 'mirror' aspect of aforementioned crop circle grabbed my attention alot, balancing and symmetrical. I awoke today with the thought that one possible interpretation of the C's recent comments on "small window of opportunity" may be related to the 8th month - August, with 8 having identification for infinity etc.

such as 13th - 31st August (Dianas anniversary): 13831

of course, there are a few other possible mirrored dates for August too, but thats what came to mind fwiw.

Personally, from what the C's have said about "withdrawing from the fray" almost, if not all of this years crop circles do not seem authentic to me, thus far, and viewing photos is obviously no substitute for being in them to get a real 'feel' for them. I have felt 'good' and 'dark' energy' in the ones I have visited - subjective I know! But if anyone can tell me if the C's have commented on the Avebury 2012 and the 888 crop circles (both laid in 2008) I would be very grateful. I felt very joyful in both of those, and was watching a field less than a mile away from the 888 one the night it came down and was fortunate enough to be one of the first in it.

Of course, irrespective of authencity, it they provoke a desire to learn - neurons, chemical structures etc that can be very positive - if one doesn't spend time trying to 'anticipate' the meaning. 'Beware false prophets' and deceptive crop circles too perhaps. I only say this as someone who has spent time following such falseness - all part of my learning for sure - when I could have concentrated on 'cleaning my machine' etc etc :)

August again ?

I just ran through one of what I consider a "nuts job lair" aka new age forum and I felt on that re arranged picture :

The guy who posted that (and who I personally consider a dangerous sect guru) got all frantic about the fact that the 4th, so Saturday, "they" will come over the Olympic stadium, showing themselves to the world since the kabalah have been kicked out the 4th of Jully blablabla, it will be magnific, blablabla, here it comes blablabla, the elites will be dismised of their thrones love light pardon and shawarma for everybody ...

"very loud sigh"

...

Hey, I think Sonday the 5th, I'll do a BBQ ... who's in ?
(and I will bring a pepperoni stick in order to to run after Percival :D )

 

[Gary]

Ekios,

I think that is a good example of what I was expressing, so much mis and dis-info out there, particularly in the "New Age" arena! As you say "blablabla" :)

Given enough time and information, people can make all sorts of meanings 'fit' by squeezing them into their subjective, goal orientated (anticipatory) agenda.

Who knows, maybe August time we'll be blessed with a real (6D STO) one? If we can SEE it! :)

 

[Deleted member 8431]

If you consider the carbon where the nonene group is attached as the 1st one and go clockwise, the cc shows [2,2,6-trimethyl] when it should actually be [2,6,6-trimethyl].

The rightmost carbon is also odd on this cc. I can see the hydroxy group (oxygen with hydrogen) but I also see what looks like an 'extra' atom where there should only by 2 hydrogen atoms to saturate it.

Since I'm an absolute layman in these matters, this might be a silly question but I was wondering: would these 'mistakes' and deviations from the true Vitamin A give a viable other substance that maybe would be toxic or something? Just asking...

Well, theorically speaking, the molecule shown in the cc can exist as long as we consider the atoms shown as what they seem to represent which is an uncertain thing.

Where I am not sure is at the rightmost part. The 'last' carbon should be bonded to an hydroxyl function (R-OH) and 2 hydrogens to saturate it (as in the real vitamin A molecule) but instead of the 2 hydrogens, there is an unknown atom with virtually no hydrogens around.

The only thing I can see (speculate) is that this unknown atom is a double bonded oxygen atom attached to the carbon instead of 2 hydrogens. This would represent a carboxyl group (R-COOH) instead of an hydroxyl (R-OH).

Here, take a look at the carboxyl structure and compare with cc and real vitamin A. Just replace the 'R' as stated through my post by the rest of the molecule.

Carboxyl group (R-COOH)

That's all I can say. Even if I got it right and it's what I have said, I have no clue as to if it exist so far and what it does. Even small changes in a molecule can make the diffrence between vital, neutral and leathal.

 

[Ekios]

If you consider the carbon where the nonene group is attached as the 1st one and go clockwise, the cc shows [2,2,6-trimethyl] when it should actually be [2,6,6-trimethyl].

The rightmost carbon is also odd on this cc. I can see the hydroxy group (oxygen with hydrogen) but I also see what looks like an 'extra' atom where there should only by 2 hydrogen atoms to saturate it.

Since I'm an absolute layman in these matters, this might be a silly question but I was wondering: would these 'mistakes' and deviations from the true Vitamin A give a viable other substance that maybe would be toxic or something? Just asking...

Well, theorically speaking, the molecule shown in the cc can exist as long as we consider the atoms shown as what they seem to represent which is an uncertain thing.

Where I am not sure is at the rightmost part. The 'last' carbon should be bonded to an hydroxyl function (R-OH) and 2 hydrogens to saturate it (as in the real vitamin A molecule) but instead of the 2 hydrogens, there is an unknown atom with virtually no hydrogens around.

The only thing I can see (speculate) is that this unknown atom is a double bonded oxygen atom attached to the carbon instead of 2 hydrogens. This would represent a carboxyl group (R-COOH) instead of an hydroxyl (R-OH).

Here, take a look at the carboxyl structure and compare with cc and real vitamin A. Just replace the 'R' as stated through my post by the rest of the molecule.

Carboxyl group (R-COOH)

That's all I can say. Even if I got it right and it's what I have said, I have no clue as to if it exist so far and what it does. Even small changes in a molecule can make the diffrence between vital, neutral and leathal.

我从来没有想过，中国的语言会如此有趣！

PS : in other words and on a more serious tone, I'm absolutely lost in your explanations JayMark but i'm seriously thankful for them :)
If you have time to over simplify them I would really appreciate the effort :)

Thx again :)

 

[Palinurus]

That's all I can say. Even if I got it right and it's what I have said, I have no clue as to if it exist so far and what it does. Even small changes in a molecule can make the diffrence between vital, neutral and leathal.

Thank you for trying, JayMark. The bolded part of the quote was what I'm aware of - hence my question; but I see now more clearly that a definite answer isn't all that easy to come by, alas. Nice try anyway. Thanks again.

 

[Deleted member 8431]

我从来没有想过，中国的语言会如此有趣！

Of course! Wait... what? ;)

PS : in other words and on a more serious tone, I'm absolutely lost in your explanations JayMark but i'm seriously thankful for them :)
If you have time to over simplify them I would really appreciate the effort :)

Thx again :)

Certainly. Could be of help to others as cc representing chemicals are not so uncommon as far as I can see.

Organic chemistry is about covalent bonds in between atoms (always with a basic carbon structure). A covalent bond means that atoms share electrons as opposed to giving or taking them like in the case on an ionic bond.

First thing you need to visualize is how many bonds an atom can make. This is usually noted on periodic tables as the "oxidation state". Some have more than one but there is always one that is more stable than others (usually noted as well).

So now for an organic molecule like vitamin A, there are 3 diffrent kind of atoms that are seen: carbon, oxygen and hydrogen. First thing is to know how many bonds each must have in order to be stable. That number corresponds to the most stable oxidation state as noted on the periodic table. And also you need to consider that double and triple bonds exist. Here are the oxidation states of previously stated atoms.

Carbon: 4 bonds (either 4 single, 2 double or 1 triple/1single)
Oxygen: 2 bonds (either 2 single or 1 double)
Hydrogen: 1 bond

So when looking at a molecule, the first thing to do to see if it can exist is to check that every bond is fullfiled. When you have checked and determined that the structure is possible, now comes the part of identifiying it.

In order to do it, you need to first to identify the primary carbon chain. It represents the longest chain bossible as you count them. This is the core structure. Once it is done, you check all the other atoms that are attached to the core and determine their function. This is only a question of nomenclature here. Diffrent groups all have their names as well as every chain of carbon. All these names can be easily found like on Wikipedia for instance.

As as example, let's use ethanol. It's a simple compound. Here is the developed structure.

1st) Identify longest carbon chain: Here it is 2 carbons which coresponds to ethane.

2nd) Identify the group(s) that are attached to the chain: Here there is only one group composed of one oxygen and one hydrogen which is called the hydroxyl group aka alcohol functional group. Note that hydrogen atoms alone are not groups.

3) Following the rules of nomenclature, you then name it. Here it is a basic ethane structure with an hydroxyl (alcohol) group. An alcohol function is generally designated by the suffix -ol which is placed on the core structure's name so when you combine ethane with suffix -ol you get: ethan-ol or ethanol.

I may not be the best to explain it but that's the gist of it. With larger molecules, it can become harder and other rules of nomenclature may need to be considered as well.

Peace.

 

[Deleted member 8431]

That's all I can say. Even if I got it right and it's what I have said, I have no clue as to if it exist so far and what it does. Even small changes in a molecule can make the diffrence between vital, neutral and leathal.

Thank you for trying, JayMark. The bolded part of the quote was what I'm aware of - hence my question; but I see now more clearly that a definite answer isn't all that easy to come by, alas. Nice try anyway. Thanks again.

Yeah, anwsering that question is close to impossible for me. If we consider that there are zillions of currently known and synthetized organic compounds, we then see why it's hard to begin with. If we consider possibilities alone, we get rediculous numbers. 10 carbons can make 75 diffrent structures alone. 20 carbons can make 366,319 and 100 carbons (just for the heck of it) can make over 59*1038 structures.

Add to that the neurological/biological aspects and I'm quite lost. I have no clue as to how simply by looking at a molecule you can determine how it's going to 'act' on a person. There is the molecule itself and there is the person (genetic profile, health status, chemical balance etc). A lot to consider indeed.

FWIW, vitamin A has 16 possible isomers (16 diffrent structures for C20H30O). But the cc does not show one because of the diffrence I mentionned earlier (the one concerning the hydroxyl/caboxyl issue).

Anyhow this was a very good question. And since I can't anwser it, let me anwser another one.

Anwser: Yes.

Question: Do you like to eat pork?

;)

 

[Gonzo]

This reminds me of the "designer drugs" of the 80s, where illegal drugs were chemically altered so that their molecular makeup was no longer identical to that which was illegal, thereby temporarily skirting the law (which had to be amended in some cases to include "and their derivatives" where possible). The current version of this, perhaps, would be bath salts. And, as with bath salts, the results were unpredictable. While some would acquire experiences similar to the original drug, others weren't so fortunate.

So, perhaps TPTB are planning to outlaw vitamins and this crop circle exemplifies the concept of designer supplements. ;)

Gonzo

Edit: typo

 

[Ekios]

我从来没有想过，中国的语言会如此有趣！

Of course! Wait... what? ;)

Oh common ;) I used google translate for that one, start in chinese, go to english ;)

PS : in other words and on a more serious tone, I'm absolutely lost in your explanations JayMark but i'm seriously thankful for them :)
If you have time to over simplify them I would really appreciate the effort :)

Thx again :)

Certainly. Could be of help to others as cc representing chemicals are not so uncommon as far as I can see.

Organic chemistry is about covalent bonds in between atoms (always with a basic carbon structure). A covalent bond means that atoms share electrons as opposed to giving or taking them like in the case on an ionic bond.

First thing you need to visualize is how many bonds an atom can make. This is usually noted on periodic tables as the "oxidation state". Some have more than one but there is always one that is more stable than others (usually noted as well).

So now for an organic molecule like vitamin A, there are 3 diffrent kind of atoms that are seen: carbon, oxygen and hydrogen. First thing is to know how many bonds each must have in order to be stable. That number corresponds to the most stable oxidation state as noted on the periodic table. And also you need to consider that double and triple bonds exist. Here are the oxidation states of previously stated atoms.

Carbon: 4 bonds (either 4 single, 2 double or 1 triple/1single)
Oxygen: 2 bonds (either 2 single or 1 double)
Hydrogen: 1 bond

So when looking at a molecule, the first thing to do to see if it can exist is to check that every bond is fullfiled. When you have checked and determined that the structure is possible, now comes the part of identifiying it.

In order to do it, you need to first to identify the primary carbon chain. It represents the longest chain bossible as you count them. This is the core structure. Once it is done, you check all the other atoms that are attached to the core and determine their function. This is only a question of nomenclature here. Diffrent groups all have their names as well as every chain of carbon. All these names can be easily found like on Wikipedia for instance.

As as example, let's use ethanol. It's a simple compound. Here is the developed structure.

1st) Identify longest carbon chain: Here it is 2 carbons which coresponds to ethane.

2nd) Identify the group(s) that are attached to the chain: Here there is only one group composed of one oxygen and one hydrogen which is called the hydroxyl group aka alcohol functional group. Note that hydrogen atoms alone are not groups.

3) Following the rules of nomenclature, you then name it. Here it is a basic ethane structure with an hydroxyl (alcohol) group. An alcohol function is generally designated by the suffix -ol which is placed on the core structure's name so when you combine ethane with suffix -ol you get: ethan-ol or ethanol.

I may not be the best to explain it but that's the gist of it. With larger molecules, it can become harder and other rules of nomenclature may need to be considered as well.

Peace.

Thank you A LOT for that explanation, indeed now I honestly started to get it :) [and I frankly didn't thought I ever will understand a word of it] :)

Very good Professor in here, have to say !!

(...)
So, perhaps TPTB are planning to outlaw vitamins and this crop circle exemplifies the concept of designer supplements. ;)
(...)

Then I'll better hurry with my BBQ the 5th ;)
I'll get some pork too for JayMark ;)

 

[Mike]

New crop circle in eastern Washington state. Hard to see it clearly with the pictures provided at the link below though and I couldn't find any overhead ones. Maybe some will come out in the future.

The circles resemble a four-leaf clover and remind Cindy Geib of Mickey Mouse ears.

http://news.yahoo.com/crop-circles-appear-e-washington-wheat-field-200318016.html

 

[Ekios]

New crop circle in eastern Washington state. Hard to see it clearly with the pictures provided at the link below though and I couldn't find any overhead ones. Maybe some will come out in the future.

The circles resemble a four-leaf clover and remind Cindy Geib of Mickey Mouse ears.

_http://news.yahoo.com/crop-circles-appear-e-washington-wheat-field-200318016.html

Yep, I think I saw the news passing by SOTT too :)
Saddly as you said the pictures are ... oh well, those ain't no CC pictures we can't see crap ;)

Edit : here it is _http://www.sott.net/articles/show/248969-Crop-Circles-Appear-in-E-Washington-Wheat-Field

 

[Deleted member 8431]

This reminds me of the "designer drugs" of the 80s, where illegal drugs were chemically altered so that their molecular makeup was no longer identical to that which was illegal, thereby temporarily skirting the law (which had to be amended in some cases to include "and their derivatives" where possible). The current version of this, perhaps, would be bath salts. And, as with bath salts, the results were unpredictable. While some would acquire experiences similar to the original drug, others weren't so fortunate.

So, perhaps TPTB are planning to outlaw vitamins and this crop circle exemplifies the concept of designer supplements. ;)

Gonzo

Edit: typo

That's a good point Gonzo.

Whenever these compounds are synthesized, they are usually labeled as "research chemicals" and a lot of things can happen before it is evaluated by the FDA. So in other words, there is usually a period of time where the compound is neither approved but neither illegalized. Lots of "deals" can be then made.

Also, as you have pointed, these companies always create derivates. Then derivates from derivates etc. There is virtually no limit as far as organic chemistry is concerned. Really.

A lot of companies have been caught selling such compounds to individuals, like you and me (and many still do). As much for research chemicals as for other legal substances that are even freely sold in pharmacies. People either buy them as drugs or as precursors.

But of course these companies sell them to crooks! Where do you think all those synthetic drugs on the street come from?! Chemists need precursors. A LOT of them. Constantly. And pharmaceutical industries want money. A LOT of it. Constantly.

What a big scam. Just like everything else on the matter. It's rediculous. And legal substance like antidepressants, antipsycotics and anti-everything are just as bad if not worst than many 'illegal' drugs out there. This is sick. And gawd knows how easy it is to be prescribed those. Too easy. But that's the idea. The easier it is to get, the more money it generates. That makes me sick man. We are only guinea pigs for them.

Here is sad fact about my province which is Québec. We are 8M people and in 2010, there were over 13M antidepressant prescriptions that have been given. That fact alone is almost as depressive as these people could be alltogether.

Peace.

-- EDIT: Granted that this might be a little off topic so unless asked or unless considered relevant, I might let go off that specific aspect. Such matter can, on the other side, be discussed in an appropriate section of the board if anybody is interested. ---

 

[anart]

-- EDIT: Granted that this might be a little off topic so unless asked or unless considered relevant, I might let go off that specific aspect. Such matter can, on the other side, be discussed in an appropriate section of the board if anybody is interested. ---

I think it's interesting that there has been this much discussion about a crop circle that looks very 'human-made'. Rather like being played like a piano, don't you think?

 

[OrangeScorpion]

-- EDIT: Granted that this might be a little off topic so unless asked or unless considered relevant, I might let go off that specific aspect. Such matter can, on the other side, be discussed in an appropriate section of the board if anybody is interested. ---

I think it's interesting that there has been this much discussion about a crop circle that looks very 'human-made'. Rather like being played like a piano, don't you think?

as far as I'm concerned, I admit that after reading your posts I realize that the mirror neurons CC is really ugly and probably 'human-made'… My emotional involvement with the issue of mirror neurons would not let me see beyond.

Well, I learn slowly. :)