2024 US election: A Kennedy presidency? Trump again? Will it be rigged?

well this could be interesting .. Trump on Rogan!



My very quick thoughts after listening to it:
  • Some Good: I was pleased to listen to a sane, adult conversation between an experienced host, and a rational man who was clear thinking and coherent, in a relaxed and informal long conversation format. This observation is important because most of what I see from Western politicians are nearly insane rantings far from reality as well just absurd sound bites, with Kamala Harris being the worst I have ever seen because she cannot even be absurd in a plausible way, and has no logic. So that being said, the bar is pretty low now, and so I can forgive these two guys from not having a stellar, well informed, intellectual conversation and I will accept just basic reasonableness (is that a word?) for now.
  • Some Bad: Trump's words about the Middle East and geopolitical matters and even the way he talks about trade and economics (tariffs will fix everything?) seem pretty far off from the way I see things after putting in some serious personal effort to try objectively understand these things (which does not make me an expert, nor does it mean I have everything right, only I probably do have a chance of seeing reality better than the average person who only consumes mainstream narratives all the time). Come on Trump: open your eyes, USA is not top dog empire anymore, do you still think it is an exceptional nation that has the power you think it does to bully any more? (So I would like to ask him).
  • I found Trump somewhat frustrating in that he jumps to a different thought without first finishing a sentence he started many times. There are so many better conversationalists than he is.
  • Of course he shows no signs of reigning in the psychopathic genociders of the West/Israel, but... by now I have accepted that those same powers are so powerful, or at least perceived to be so powerful, that even if Trump and RFK jr secretly would want to end the genocide, it MAY be that it does not matter right now at this particular moment in history. That is because they would be dead if they even spoke against Israel at all, or at least they could get nowhere near the levers of power, and then they can do nothing. So I am forced, even if I don't want to, kind of have to put the genocide on the shelf in my mind when listening to anything about the coming 2024 election (drives me nuts to do so, but there it is - for now).
  • So to me this talk is just what it is, a glimpse of what might be going on in the mind of a person history has chosen to play an influential role at a major turning point of the world. It is some more data for the objective observer to do with as he/she will.
  • I could offer to someone just focusing on the election in the USA, and believing they MUST participate in it (some do not, you know) then a conversation like this comparing to the Democrat candidates, tells you pretty clearly how they should vote if they are certain it is only a 2-party system as Trump said it is at the start of this conversation. From a wider perspective, the world is on a destructive course with mass suffering and death that is too late to be stopped no matter who is inaugurated as the next president, and so only the speed or form of the descent into hell might be different. (Then humankind might to say to itself, when going through hell, keep going... to get to the other side eventually - I suppose).
  • A lot of people following the extra-terrestrial right hand turn by the mainstream media might be interested in what Trump, having been a president for one term, personally thinks about aliens now. Trump even was the one who brought up the topic, not Joe Rogan! However I don't think he said anything substantial about the topic (you can be the judge), and the topic was suddenly dropped for something else in the middle it seems to me.
I made a transcript from the part about aliens below.

Trump: there's a lot of interest in the people coming from space you know

Joe Rogan: yes

Trump: and I know you're interested in it

Joe Rogan: oh I'm very interested in that how much did they tell you about that?

Trump: a lot

Joe Rogan: really

Trump: yeah


Joe Rogan: what' they tell you? how much can you tell? so I how's that work is it like super top secret? tell me.

Trump: you know well based on Hunter Biden I can say whatever the hell I want right but no but I interviewed a few people -- it's never been my thing I have to be honest, I have never been a believer. I have people that area 51 or whatever it is. I think it's the number one tourist attraction in the whole country or something? Area 51 at Las Vegas do you know that right?

Joe Rogan: sure I know what it is

Trump: so anyway but it's a big tourist thing. so I interviewed jet Pilots that say they saw something. if you saw them you'd love to have them as ..

Joe Rogan: I've had a couple in here Commander David Fravor - I had him in who had that sighting in 2004 very very compelling with visual video evidence radar evidence - Brian Graves

Trump: I don't believe [remember?] his name but I interviewed jet Pilots that were solid people - the perfect - I mean great Pilots great everything - and they said we saw things sir that were were very strange like a round ball but it wasn't a comet or a meteor it was something - and it was going four times faster than an F22 which is a very fast plane you know. and it was round. which isn't in theory a great shape

Joe Rogan: so when you were talking to these people was was this something thing that you were compelled to have conversations about, was this your personal interest

Trump: a little bit it it's not a great interest for me but it's a little interest. I get that question as much as almost any question - do you think that we have aliens coming you know flying around or whatever.

Joe Rogan: what do you think?

Trump: there's no reason not to I mean there's no reason not to think that Mars and all these planets don't have life you know because

Joe Rogan: well Mars we've had probes there and rovers and I don't think there's any life there

Trump: well maybe it's life that we don't know but maybe

Joe Rogan: well maybe there was life there at one point in time this is the speculation about Mars that Mars had a an atmosphere at one point in time a long time ago that could support life it also had large bodies of water but we've had no evidence of even bacterial life that exists on Mars but the universe is pretty vast.

Trump: not been a big thing for me I mean when I looked at what China did to this admin they would have never done it with me where they put the balloon up and a lot of people thought and a lot of people thought for a little while that that was one of these things

Joe Rogan: well that's a lot of the speculation too that some of these drones that hover over battleships that these are Chinese drones and that they're not UFOs

Trump: they could be also

Joe Rogan: there's some super sophisticated ...

Trump: I did interview a let's say three or four guys that and without tremendous interest if you had them as I said you'd love to have me as your children - solid, beautiful people - they said sir there's something there you know they'

Joe Rogan: there's something there - I've talked to quite a few of them

Trump: they're not conspiracy guys

Joe Rogan: well I mean the just the commander David Fravor thing in 2004 off the coast of San Diego they clocked that thing going from 50,000 feet above sea level to 50 in a second - they don't know what it is

Trump: that's tough to beat

Joe Rogan: yeah they they saw something in the water it was hovering over that something that was making a disturbance in the water, they got video evidence of this thing, two different fighter jets with pilots in them saw it, there's you know, Visual Evidence, photographic evidence, video evidence, radar evidence, whatever the hell it is it moves in a way that would turn a human being into Jello if they inside of it. The G-Force - no one would survive - like what is that? -- it doesn't have a heat signature, they don't know what their propulsion system was but ...

Trump: When you fly in some of these jets these Pilots have to be in great shape.

Joe Rogan: oh yeah I flew with the Blue Angels once, I got to fly - I guess it's an F/A-18?

Trump: and those are older machines

Joe Rogan: and they're crazy

Trump: when you when you fly in some of these things it's amazing

Joe Rogan: Oh my god, yeah, I can imagine...

Trump: but you got to be special

Joe Rogan: but these things these people are encountering are far superior to what we know of -- do -- is it possible that there's some military or government program that you weren't --- that they didn't tell you about?

Trump: I think I had a great relationship with the military basically but you know I didn't like certain people I would have gotten them out if I thought if I were -- if the election was different I would have fired you know all of them quickly -- some, most of them, I did fire Biden should have fired every military person involved with Afghanistan ...

{{ the topic now fades away from their conversation }}


Also I kind of laughed at this part, when Joe Rogan asked Trump about the scar on his ear from the bullet:

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:lol:
 
My very quick thoughts after listening to it:
  • Some Good: I was pleased to listen to a sane, adult conversation between an experienced host, and a rational man who was clear thinking and coherent, in a relaxed and informal long conversation format. This observation is important because most of what I see from Western politicians are nearly insane rantings far from reality as well just absurd sound bites, with Kamala Harris being the worst I have ever seen because she cannot even be absurd in a plausible way, and has no logic. So that being said, the bar is pretty low now, and so I can forgive these two guys from not having a stellar, well informed, intellectual conversation and I will accept just basic reasonableness (is that a word?) for now.
  • Some Bad: Trump's words about the Middle East and geopolitical matters and even the way he talks about trade and economics (tariffs will fix everything?) seem pretty far off from the way I see things after putting in some serious personal effort to try objectively understand these things (which does not make me an expert, nor does it mean I have everything right, only I probably do have a chance of seeing reality better than the average person who only consumes mainstream narratives all the time). Come on Trump: open your eyes, USA is not top dog empire anymore, do you still think it is an exceptional nation that has the power you think it does to bully any more? (So I would like to ask him).
  • I found Trump somewhat frustrating in that he jumps to a different thought without first finishing a sentence he started many times. There are so many better conversationalists than he is.
  • Of course he shows no signs of reigning in the psychopathic genociders of the West/Israel, but... by now I have accepted that those same powers are so powerful, or at least perceived to be so powerful, that even if Trump and RFK jr secretly would want to end the genocide, it MAY be that it does not matter right now at this particular moment in history. That is because they would be dead if they even spoke against Israel at all, or at least they could get nowhere near the levers of power, and then they can do nothing. So I am forced, even if I don't want to, kind of have to put the genocide on the shelf in my mind when listening to anything about the coming 2024 election (drives me nuts to do so, but there it is - for now).
  • So to me this talk is just what it is, a glimpse of what might be going on in the mind of a person history has chosen to play an influential role at a major turning point of the world. It is some more data for the objective observer to do with as he/she will.
  • I could offer to someone just focusing on the election in the USA, and believing they MUST participate in it (some do not, you know) then a conversation like this comparing to the Democrat candidates, tells you pretty clearly how they should vote if they are certain it is only a 2-party system as Trump said it is at the start of this conversation. From a wider perspective, the world is on a destructive course with mass suffering and death that is too late to be stopped no matter who is inaugurated as the next president, and so only the speed or form of the descent into hell might be different. (Then humankind might to say to itself, when going through hell, keep going... to get to the other side eventually - I suppose).
  • A lot of people following the extra-terrestrial right hand turn by the mainstream media might be interested in what Trump, having been a president for one term, personally thinks about aliens now. Trump even was the one who brought up the topic, not Joe Rogan! However I don't think he said anything substantial about the topic (you can be the judge), and the topic was suddenly dropped for something else in the middle it seems to me.
I've now listened ca 3/4 of the episode, and agree with what you're saying. I would just add that I got the sense that the 'salesman' in Trump is so strong that he just can't stop promoting and exaggerating all the things he's said and done to the point that he sounds childish. You know, the "nobody has every done this, but I made it happen." At times, Trump also inserted short and 'glossy' statements that were clearly meant to persuade voters. I got a little irked by this 'alter ego' popping up every now and then during the conversation, but otherwise I think it was a good discussion. As you said, nothing significantly substantial was said, but a decent and normal conversation, which is rare! And, he clearly 'danced around' some of the topics that are of interest to many: JFK, aliens etc. I guess he doesn't want to rock the boat now just before the election.
 
My very quick thoughts after listening to it:
  • Some Good: I was pleased to listen to a sane, adult conversation between an experienced host, and a rational man who was clear thinking and coherent, in a relaxed and informal long conversation format. This observation is important because most of what I see from Western politicians are nearly insane rantings far from reality as well just absurd sound bites, with Kamala Harris being the worst I have ever seen because she cannot even be absurd in a plausible way, and has no logic. So that being said, the bar is pretty low now, and so I can forgive these two guys from not having a stellar, well informed, intellectual conversation and I will accept just basic reasonableness (is that a word?) for now.
  • Some Bad: Trump's words about the Middle East and geopolitical matters and even the way he talks about trade and economics (tariffs will fix everything?) seem pretty far off from the way I see things after putting in some serious personal effort to try objectively understand these things (which does not make me an expert, nor does it mean I have everything right, only I probably do have a chance of seeing reality better than the average person who only consumes mainstream narratives all the time). Come on Trump: open your eyes, USA is not top dog empire anymore, do you still think it is an exceptional nation that has the power you think it does to bully any more? (So I would like to ask him).
  • I found Trump somewhat frustrating in that he jumps to a different thought without first finishing a sentence he started many times. There are so many better conversationalists than he is.
  • Of course he shows no signs of reigning in the psychopathic genociders of the West/Israel, but... by now I have accepted that those same powers are so powerful, or at least perceived to be so powerful, that even if Trump and RFK jr secretly would want to end the genocide, it MAY be that it does not matter right now at this particular moment in history. That is because they would be dead if they even spoke against Israel at all, or at least they could get nowhere near the levers of power, and then they can do nothing. So I am forced, even if I don't want to, kind of have to put the genocide on the shelf in my mind when listening to anything about the coming 2024 election (drives me nuts to do so, but there it is - for now).
  • So to me this talk is just what it is, a glimpse of what might be going on in the mind of a person history has chosen to play an influential role at a major turning point of the world. It is some more data for the objective observer to do with as he/she will.
  • I could offer to someone just focusing on the election in the USA, and believing they MUST participate in it (some do not, you know) then a conversation like this comparing to the Democrat candidates, tells you pretty clearly how they should vote if they are certain it is only a 2-party system as Trump said it is at the start of this conversation. From a wider perspective, the world is on a destructive course with mass suffering and death that is too late to be stopped no matter who is inaugurated as the next president, and so only the speed or form of the descent into hell might be different. (Then humankind might to say to itself, when going through hell, keep going... to get to the other side eventually - I suppose).
  • A lot of people following the extra-terrestrial right hand turn by the mainstream media might be interested in what Trump, having been a president for one term, personally thinks about aliens now. Trump even was the one who brought up the topic, not Joe Rogan! However I don't think he said anything substantial about the topic (you can be the judge), and the topic was suddenly dropped for something else in the middle it seems to me.
I made a transcript from the part about aliens below.




Also I kind of laughed at this part, when Joe Rogan asked Trump about the scar on his ear from the bullet:

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:lol:

I've now listened ca 3/4 of the episode, and agree with what you're saying. I would just add that I got the sense that the 'salesman' in Trump is so strong that he just can't stop promoting and exaggerating all the things he's said and done to the point that he sounds childish. You know, the "nobody has every done this, but I made it happen." At times, Trump also inserted short and 'glossy' statements that were clearly meant to persuade voters. I got a little irked by this 'alter ego' popping up every now and then during the conversation, but otherwise I think it was a good discussion. As you said, nothing significantly substantial was said, but a decent and normal conversation, which is rare! And, he clearly 'danced around' some of the topics that are of interest to many: JFK, aliens etc. I guess he doesn't want to rock the boat now just before the election.

I‘ve watched it too and I was rather surprised how “free“ and “off the cuff“ Trump appeared in comparison with other interviews. In fact, I anticipated a much more stiff Trump in such an interview format confronted with Rogan.

I do think that it is rather clear at this point that Trump probably has quite a number of issues, blind spots and some rather big holes in terms of knowledge and naivety.

At the same time though I think we shouldn’t throw the baby out with the bathwater: Despite all of his issues and shortcomings, in the grand scheme of things, Trump still seems to be a big thorn in the eyes of the PTB, while he still seems to be able to do significantly good things despite his limitations (almost miraculously so, I would say, in certain instances). And also, under the rather dire circumstances (in terms of a dumbed down society for example) even rather basic common sense things/ideas being brought up and tackled probably can mean much more than in other circumstances.
 
Trump is a person which is actually quite significant when the country is/has been run by pathological individuals that have no humanity in them. I can’t think of anyone else who could have challenged the status quo and upset the apple cart. Trumps ego and tendency to self aggrandisement is the very trait that has enabled him to endure the assault of the psychopaths. I think the unification of individuals like Trump, Robert Kennedy, Tulsi Gabbard etc has come about because they all realise the opportunity now exists to drain the swamp. And this issue is what’s at stake, it is central to the election. I think a lot of the people are realising this also.
 
Of course he shows no signs of reigning in the psychopathic genociders of the West/Israel, but... by now I have accepted that those same powers are so powerful, or at least perceived to be so powerful, that even if Trump and RFK jr secretly would want to end the genocide, it MAY be that it does not matter right now at this particular moment in history. That is because they would be dead if they even spoke against Israel at all, or at least they could get nowhere near the levers of power, and then they can do nothing. So I am forced, even if I don't want to, kind of have to put the genocide on the shelf in my mind when listening to anything about the coming 2024 election (drives me nuts to do so, but there it is - for now).
That sounds about right. I think so many things need to be approached with a lot of thought and strategy and the Israeli subject is #1 for that. Maybe we're seeing strategic enclosure in action here. I also have a perception that things stated can't allows be taken at face value. With Trump and team in the White House the problems for the US will surely improve but this globalist rot is a world wide problem, its not a swamp but an ocean.
 
That sounds about right. I think so many things need to be approached with a lot of thought and strategy and the Israeli subject is #1 for that. Maybe we're seeing strategic enclosure in action here. I also have a perception that things stated can't allows be taken at face value. With Trump and team in the White House the problems for the US will surely improve but this globalist rot is a world wide problem, its not a swamp but an ocean.
Absolutely and if it’s going to be exposed to the wider worlds population it’s probably the USA is where it starts/has started.
 
This interview is a temporal marker in Clif Highs data sets from 2009 (I believe thats the year). Now 39 days to melee when kinetic battles break out according to the data. He was so excited when this interview was announced and the data said aliens and ufo's would be discussed. It was there but not to impressive, a bit flat, but there.
 
I watched the interview with Rogan and I felt it was a bit underwhelming, Trump was perhaps too focused on campaigning than on talking. He did get to relax towards the end, and specially when talking about fights, that was the best part of the conversation.

His UFO conversation was tiny, but I had a feeling that it will probably be a lot more significant than that.
 
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