2024 US election: A Kennedy presidency? Trump again? Will it be rigged?
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I need to make a correction here. Arizona is still counting their votes! Kari is still in the race and may win by a slim margin yet. But.....when she ran for governor it was a nightmare for her fighting that system so we'll see. No need to call in the cavalry yet.
Esote
Dagobah Resident
Now I am amazed that Trump somehow appears for most of you as the (white masculinist) nice guy, versus the demonic (black female) Harris, to say it short.
Don't you see that it's all a crazy show, where one side is more or less as alienated as the other one ?
Looking right and left, we know it's not a black or white reality. But here I don't see much nuances so far toward this political madness, IMO.
Don't you see that it's all a crazy show, where one side is more or less as alienated as the other one ?
Looking right and left, we know it's not a black or white reality. But here I don't see much nuances so far toward this political madness, IMO.
Olivierlejardinier
Jedi Council Member
From the same article, an interesting match-up :Simplicus on Substack has a pretty good analysis on what went down before and during the elections, link:
Election Aftermath: Notes on the 'Grand Realignment'
Some post-election thoughts are due.open.substack.com
Some quotes:
Maybe that 'army of 500 lawyers' per state was the secret Trump was alluding to in one of his speeches before the election? In any case, it's highly probable that they tried to do their usual 'tweaking' and dirty tricks on election day and that got them some benefit. I mean, in many states the race was kind'a tight with Harris receiving between 45%–49%. I cannot for my life believe those numbers. The reasons for why their election meddling didn't work this time can be attributed to, as Simplicus lays out, earthly matters and Trump teams brilliant strategy etc., but I have the sense that there was also some 'divine luck' involved. Maybe someone who was supposed to switch a hard drive or dump some ballots fell on their bike, or something.
"Kamala just “happened” to win only the states which did not require IDs, according to this chart:
A little suggestive, no? "
Yeah, a lot has changed since 2016. You wouldn't be amazed if you had been following all the twists and turns! It's never too late to start though.
C'mon, it's not a matter of race. It's a matter of which candidate brings the most hope to the most people.
There is probably some truth to that I think, but still there's 'hope for the best, plan for the worst and take whatever comes.' Similar forces would have been in play for Putin, but he still managed to pull off a great reformation. It's not too much of a stretch, I think, to feel the possibility that it could happen again. I'd rather hold hope than sink into nihilism but with the knowledge that hopes can be dashed at any time.
Despite the action in the US, here in Australia the MAD (Misinformation/Disinformation) bill went before the House of Representatives today. Could be that in a very short time, Aussies won't be as free to speak their thoughts as this bill basically sets the govt up to be the ministry of truth. Doesn't stop me wanting to cheer for other people in the world where the outlook seems brighter even if it turns out to be short lived.
I dunno, I think it's possible that there was little or not rigging in this one. If true, then it fits with the idea that there are a LOT of stupid people out there.
Yeah, same here. Whatever twists and turns the 'program change' will bring, (and I have no doubt that there will be increase in turmoil before things get better) the ultimate reason behind Trump's success today lies in the free will of ordinary people, which even those seemingly all powerful 4D STS overlords had to respect this time in order to avoid the bad juju! So, I've been enjoying the memes and meltdowns, and even more importantly, that I have the opportunity to side with the most important law of the cosmos by choosing how to perceive reality - and now, when right and truth prevails, is the moment of rejoice!
Most of us were pretty anti-Trump in the beginning, comparing him to Hitler and other such things.
As reality played out in front of our eyes and the discussion evolved, we came to see the unseen, how the entire corrupt establishment turned on him, and how he made wise foreign and domestic policy decisions in office despite everything thrown at him. He didn't start wars, made clever deals, and honestly times were pretty good and optimistic during the Trump years, right up until when the deep state went nuclear and dropped their lab virus on the world.
Then came the Biden regime. They immediately brought in totalitarian vaccine mandates, indefinite detention of peaceful protesters, the Ukraine conflict, rampant and criminal mismanagement of the economy, illegal immigrants in the tens of millions, de-facto legalisation of all kinds of crime, turning cities into cesspools. In these, and countless other ways, the USA (and by extension, its satellites) has been so badly damaged in these 4 short years that it is almost unbelievable. It's like a Batman villain is in charge. People are sicker physically and spiritually than ever before. They are completely demoralized, hateful and schizophrenic. No hope.
These years were dark, but also absurd and ridiculous in a way that is simply offensive to the normal human spirit. It's like the Orwell quote about a boot stamping on a human face forever, only the boot is a big clown shoe.
Now Trump is back, and the Trump team is looking to clear all that up. They probably will not succeed, but he's pretty much the last hope as a leader.
I don't understand what kind of nuance you are looking for here, or why you would try to shoehorn in identity politics from a bygone era. It's survive or die at this point, the Universe has really dumbed this lesson down and made it as obvious as possible.
Pretty much. The only one is the payments to Daniels. Judge is expected to pass sentence on Nov. 26th, but as a first time offender, he'll likely just get a fine.
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