3600 Year Cycle: Where's the evidence?

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A perplexity for me here, too, goes to the 20° as being a consequence of Venus, rather than one due to the comet cluster.
Yes, good find. The tilt was more likely caused by Venus I think due to its mass (almost same mass as Earth), whereas the comet cluster probably has a lower mass. The C's said that the largest comet there is about the size of dwarf planet Ceres (0.016% of Earth mass), so even dozens of such comets in the cluster would have a much lower overall mass than Venus. Though electromagnetic effects could also play a role.

In the October 1994 session you quoted above the C's seem to confirm that the comet cluster was here in 1588 BC, but that was before the phantom years were known to Laura. Still, it looks like Venus passed by close to Earth at least a few hundred years before the comet cluster.
 
Yes, good find. The tilt was more likely caused by Venus I think due to its mass (almost same mass as Earth), whereas the comet cluster probably has a lower mass. The C's said that the largest comet there is about the size of dwarf planet Ceres (0.016% of Earth mass), so even dozens of such comets in the cluster would have a much lower overall mass than Venus. Though electromagnetic effects could also play a role.

In the October 1994 session you quoted above the C's seem to confirm that the comet cluster was here in 1588 BC, but that was before the phantom years were known to Laura. Still, it looks like Venus passed by close to Earth at least a few hundred years before the comet cluster.

Thank you :thup: :lkj:

I am yet, in regard of the 20° tilt, unable to think outside of a very basic idea - "a stick in midst of the planet and undergoing a 20° change". The rotation of the planet seems to play a role in term of consequence, and as the 20° tilt has been a slow process, it is hard to figure out a scenario. I am at a very basic train of thought, here, sorry.

I still come up with the idea that the modification of the axis has set itself at a location. Ultimately, this suggests that one area which was sub-tropical, becomes sup-tropical, and the opposite motion for the opposite side of the planet.

This in turns yields a lot of interrogations, one being if it would be possible to find this, in dendrochronology for instance. That would be unless the subtropical areas would be located midst of the ocean. Dendrochronology may be able to pinpoint trees who underwent acute symptoms of those tropical motions.

In addition, the introduction of seasons is a big one; again, dendrochronology may be of help, because trees would start to feature signs of seasons... The introduction of seasons seems to amount to the establishing of a cycle, a yet inexisting one prior. I cannot prevent myself from feeling teleological in this aspect, tempted to believe how "The Information Field" may have literally "introduced seasons" on the Planet. Another scenario would be that this was an artificially-induced STS modification.

A basic question that which comes to mind has to do with the poles & the ice; this will be a very simple chunk in this post, because I am discovering those matters right now, and I can only rely on my geographical courses, twenty years ago.

The question of why, after all, is there ice at the poles, came by. A first idea was that when there are no seasons, the planet would be kind of stable, with a mono-vertical axis. This would produce two basic configurations: hot in the middle, and cold at the poles. But this does not tell me why "it's cold at the extremities", and hot in the middle. My model may be wrong, then.

Any way. A 20° tilt introduced seasons. I understand that this may be due to earth spinning motion. Since there is an angle (instead of a mono vertical axis), when the planet spins, it has 100% wide consequences. It's like a spiraling motion has been introduced.

And so, you see, I as I can fathom that my perspective is foggy.. I remain wondering if the idea "before the tilt, two "iced" poles" is correct. The main cog in all of those thoughts has to deal with the fact that today, we got two iced poles. One basic idea tells me that wherever the axis is located, ice will start to accumulate at both extremities. I tell myself that with seasons + a 20° tilt, ice form at the poles. What is the situation, when it's vertical? Just willing to nail down the situation in term of ice, landmass distribution prior to the tilt. And, in addition, this would be a historical chunk that we could correlate with the situation "after YD" happened. In terms of pole, ice, etc distribution and motions. Well - just writing correct history for basic "things". Seems there is a "niche" here. A sort of mattering "hinge" between the YD and today.

So this is all very basic physic of geography and I am not clear with many concepts & principles.

I can still see some interesting points:

- texts older than 2500 BCE, telling about winter and summer, would be considered as "suspects"
- Ice cores, tree rings, etc - would start featuring a yet inexisting cycle, right after the tilt.

Would it be of interest than to know the duration, for the establishing of the 20° tilt? I assume that a skilled dendrochronologist would be able to nail this down.

° Perhaps a bit less impacting - still an idea: the Venus interaction, that which triggered the tilt, may be reflected in the same manner than the three minimums that you skillfully explained / summed up:

Session 1 November 2025
Another confirmation is that the Spoerer Minimum (1420-1570) and Dalton Minimum (1790-1820), which came before and after the Maunder Minimum (1645-1715), can be explained with the entry and exit of the brown dwarf into and out of the heliosphere of the Sun:
Solar Minima Timeline and Brown Dwarf Passage
Heliosphere Shape:

The Sun's heliosphere is not a sphere. It is a teardrop shape due to the Sun's motion through the galaxy.
The Nose (short side, ~120 AU) points toward the constellation Hercules.
The Tail (long side, >350 AU) stretches out in the opposite direction.
The Flanks (sides) are at intermediate distances.
Historical Solar Minima:
Spoerer Minimum (midpoint c. 1505 CE) - HELIOSPHERE ENTRY
Entry: The brown dwarf entered from the direction of Cygnus (on the tailward flank).
Distance: It crossed the heliopause at approximately 187 AU.
Maunder Minimum (midpoint c. 1678 CE) - CLOSEST APPROACH
Location: The brown dwarf reached its perihelion at approximately 40 AU near the constellations Gemini/Orion.
This was the period of deepest solar inactivity.
Dalton Minimum (midpoint c. 1805 CE) - HELIOSPHERE EXIT
Exit: The brown dwarf exited toward the direction of Auriga (on the noseward flank).
Distance: It crossed the heliopause at approximately 156 AU.
Conclusion:
The proposed flyby created a ~300-year transit through the heliosphere. The timing of its entry (187 AU), closest approach (40 AU), and exit (156 AU) aligns precisely with the three historically observed periods of suppressed solar activity, providing a potential unified explanation for these events.

So, the above shows that the sun's companion interacted with earth, during this period, and that we may clearly define three moments: approaching (gravity effect), during (gravity effect), and leaving ("").

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My idea was that the Venus close encounter with earth may be reflected like the above - some "bowls" (approaching - during - leaving).

If the comet cluster attracted Venus, the chronological sequence would be "comet cluster gravitational effect", then "Venus gravitational effect", with a sort of buffer in-between - the blend of both gravitational effects. (I was pondering if it would be possible to isolate Venus gravitational effect, as clearly as the three minimas). But I cannot qualify the heavyness of the gravitational effect of the comet cluster. SO this is just a very hypothetical idea.

° In addition, I am wondering what the implications are, with the introduction of seasons, with the sun. How this would be reflected, the study of sun spots, all the bowls and the sun cycles, in tree rings for example.

An idea would be that if seasons "started", overall... Bold cycles may be appearing on all the various markers, at some point. The idea is that this is something that could be identified. The hypothesis is that the data series would show this. I am not sure. This would manifest via the appearance of a new cycle, in tree rings and else, at some point.

Located completely outside of the expected range of course?

"Unfortunately", the 20° degree shift seems to have been expanding on some time, but would it still possible to spectate it? I mean: no seasons > seasons, in tree rings, would certainly show a stable flat curve, and then the appearance of curves.

This could help in terms of datation discrepancies for all the data series (ice cores, etc).



Small general conclusion:

Most world views believe that civilization factors are "X", "Y", "Z", while we see, here, that a big set of many many motions are not well-known or studied. The main variables are not the ones we would think of, then. It's not simply "the economy", or "oil".

A lukewarm idea is that we would need to factor "cosmic events" a bit more.

A hotter one is that "cosmic motions" are the main "conditioner" for all to happen.

Pierre skillfully highlighted the existence of "The Information Field", a "consciousness" deciding & "decreeting" evolutionary steps for the Planet. "Intelligent design". The principles that those motions are not bound to a mechanical conscious-less origin.

So: we did not know about those events - and here you are, there is already an additional intellectual layer to study!
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