Wandering Star
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It is simply an example to help understand selfish conscious sacrifice.
It is possible that conscious suffering is also something for STS progression in 3D.
To sacrifice oneself to achieve a selfish goal.
This brings to mind a passage talking about the difficulty of self improvement in evil realms of the afterlife relative to Earth from ‘The Life Beyond the Veil’ by Rev. G. Vale Owen.just speculating, but living in a 3D STS reality doesn't mean that STO bits cease to exist, or manifest in our reality, I mean we have the C's a 6D STO manifestation. It may remain a self serving notion but choosing not to deceive because one chooses to do so, because one wants to, is different than doing so because one has to in order to get to STO candidacy.
“For it is more difficult, because the influences around those in the darkness here are much more evil than the influences on earth, where good influences are ever mingling with the bad.”
I agree that the STS nature of our reality is a key factor in the suffering so often required to advance here.I'm really not sure.. But thinking about it, one could argue that the reason conscious suffering is so necessary for us is because we are STS in an STS realm, which very much strives to limit our awareness, no?
I think that rather than mimicking what we think of as STO behavior, what is necessary is to deprogram ourselves (mental beliefs, emotional healing, physical detox) and to establish a more conscious connection to the core of our being through regular meditation.In the same way we do not yet truly know how to think as STO beings, but we can understand partly how they would act in a given situation and by mimicking this behaviour one day our thinking may shift to match our actions.
I will add that empathy and compassion have a crucial role of moving someone more towards an STO alignment. Willingly spending time in contemplation about why someone else is doing something, what they might be feeling and experiencing, how that affects their life, the people around them and their progression as a spiritual being. To do that we need knowledge and awareness which in either orientation STS or STO will eventually move one into higher states of being, though failing in STS is the desire to care and feel pain for another when considering how this or that will affect them.Not only meditation ( important though it is ) , positive " shocks " in general , could be music , prayer , poetry ... anything that helps the moving center align to a more properly positively balanced disposition , gravity binds everything "after all " ( imo /blah ) , re meditation , early 2024 started trying out mudras , did stop back then early on , but even what little i did was enough to know there's more there to learn ( ie) ,
In The Work the “activities” or “practices” are what they are tools to gain knowledge/wisdom the individual human each have their own aim or a goal… If the goal is to gain power to lean more toward STS then that is the individual free will choice.Hmm ok, I think I understand the concept you're talking about..
In the Work we understand conscious suffering as a struggle against one's mechanical nature, against selfishness and internal considering, and that's the path towards STO, towards BEing, right?
But, if a person entrenched in STS were to make temporary sacrifices, go against it's most basic, simple and mechanical nature, desires and reactions in order to obtain even more "power" eventually (as in your example, a marriage of convenience between a young self serving person and a powerful, older person they dislike), with very clear intent to serve the self, would that be a way to basically "move up the food chain"? If that could be considered a form of "conscious suffering", then that would make the concept a rather universal tool, a way to possibly progress on either path.
But I'm not sure that can be called conscious suffering, it seems to me like that has a very precise meaning. In this case one would not be struggling against internal considering and wishful thinking and towards objectivity, quite the opposite. Even the struggle against base mechanical reactions (in the example, physical and/or emotional repulsion) would only be surface level, it would still be a deliberate choice of non-BEing, a pursue of greater selfish desires using another as a tool. I think the concept of conscious suffering cannot be separated from the concept of true, deep sacrifice. What I'm sensing in a scenario like that is quite the opposite.
So to me that seems like a way to entrench oneself in STS, yes, but I don't think it can be called conscious suffering. Any similarities seem to me as only present on a surface level. OSIT/FWIW
We don’t know what a 4th grader knows and we won’t until we complete 4th grade but while we are in 3rd grade to get to 4th grade we must learn todays lesson and then the next and the next and gain wisdom and maturity during the process NOT try and ACT like a 4th grader just complete the work infront of us as this reality puts things infront of us to learn and become… not to mimic or actThis brings to mind a passage talking about the difficulty of self improvement in evil realms of the afterlife relative to Earth from ‘The Life Beyond the Veil’ by Rev. G. Vale Owen.
By better understanding STS control and manipulation the more able we are to choose to be STO. Then we can begin to understand what actions may take us towards this goal. The more aware we become the more we empower ourselves to make decisions whilst a STS reality will forever try and limit our awareness so long as it can influence us.
I agree that the STS nature of our reality is a key factor in the suffering so often required to advance here.
Awareness can mitigate suffering to some degree but in a STS environment you will be attacked at any opportunity. The strength of most people under constant draining cannot last forever. To be able to stand against this and endure you may need to rely on the aide of others not only higher beings and selves but those on 3D such as through networking whereby people can come together and unify to share awareness, grow and support one another to form a structure than can hold its own against the STS influences. It appears that to struggle, against STS domination naturally facilitates the development of STO orientated behaviours and networks even if success is not guaranteed and motivation differs from true STO beings.
Stephen R. Covey in part of ‘The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People’ encourages a husband in a troubled relationship to work to love his wife. The husband though he desires to repair his relationship laments he does not feel love towards her. Covey encourages him to start by carrying out simple expressions of love to his wife in his everyday life and eventually in doing so he may come to love her once more.
In the same way we do not yet truly know how to think as STO beings, but we can understand partly how they would act in a given situation and by mimicking this behaviour one day our thinking may shift to match our actions.
I apologise if I have been unclear in my phrasing. By 'given situation' I meant what a STO being would do in our situation in 3D. Not trying to imagine ourselves as 4D STO seeding the 3rd density universe or any other of their activities.We don’t know what a 4th grader knows and we won’t until we complete 4th grade but while we are in 3rd grade to get to 4th grade we must learn todays lesson and then the next and the next and gain wisdom and maturity during the process NOT try and ACT like a 4th grader just complete the work infront of us as this reality puts things infront of us to learn and become… not to mimic or act
Dwelling too much on 4D STO principles perhaps isn’t necessary for our life lessons around karmic and simple understandings. But acting in accordance with 4D STO principles such as networking and mental blocking can assist our development and understanding.A: No. It is like this: After you have completed all your lessons in "third grade," where do you go?
Q: (L) So, it is a question of...
A: Answer, please.
Q: (L) You go to fourth grade.
A: Okay, now, do you have to already be in 4th grade in order to be allowed to go there? Answer.
Q: (L) No. But you have to know all the 3rd density things...
A: Yes. More apropos: you have to have learned all of the lessons.
Q: (L) What kind of lessons are we talking about here?
A: Karmic and simple understandings.
It sounds here a bit like a window of opportunity where such concepts may partly manifest in 3D. This brings to mind Gurdjieff’s Fourth way that comes and goes, existing for the needs of the work.A: Always "Network". Networking is 4th Density STO concept seeping into 3rd density with upcoming realm border crossing.
Q: (DM) Networking is the way to get things done from 3rd level into 4th level?
A: Coming from 4th level into 3rd because of influence of wave.
I understand what you are saying as far as trying to IMAGINE what a STO being would do but again you get there one lesson at a timeI think that deprogramming oneself and seeking to increase our connection with our higher self would fall under the behavior of those seeking service to others. If we commit to serving others we have a responsibility to fight against the negative forces that seek to restrain and diminish our capacity to do so.
As 3D beings our actions will always be driven more from self serving than serving others. But that does not mean we should not commit to trying to be of service to others and help ourselves be in a position to do so.
I apologise if I have been unclear in my phrasing. By 'given situation' I meant what a STO being would do in our situation in 3D. Not trying to imagine ourselves as 4D STO seeding the 3rd density universe or any other of their activities.
I suppose even this is a contradiction since if we did exactly this in thought and action we might poof straight to 4D. But I meant it in the sense of how people of ask themselves “what would Jesus do?” or perhaps more aptly “what would Caesar do?”. Or maybe what does your higher self, center guide you to do? If you nurture your connection to the divine through meditation and the like. Since the process of development in this situation would be by working and increasingly being in accordance with your true self and nature.
Dwelling too much on 4D STO principles perhaps isn’t necessary for our life lessons around karmic and simple understandings. But acting in accordance with 4D STO principles such as networking and mental blocking can assist our development and understanding.
It sounds here a bit like a window of opportunity where such concepts may partly manifest in 3D. This brings to mind Gurdjieff’s Fourth way that comes and goes, existing for the needs of the work.
In The Work the “activities” or “practices” are what they are tools to gain knowledge/wisdom the individual human each have their own aim or a goal… If the goal is to gain power to lean more toward STS then that is the individual free will choice.
The practice and procedures of The Work remain the same how the knowledge/power gained during these practices are used is up to the individual.
If you learn Karate to get into fights and cause harm well Karate is still Karate just like The Work is The Work… The goal or aim or how it is used is on the individual
It’s not a lack of awareness per se it’s a lack of experience mixed with process/reality which equals Wisdom/awareness. A few points below;Insofar as The Work being a tool for Crystallization, for creating something permanent, gaining the knoledge to start making an actual choice, one way or another, sure, I can understand that, in theory.
I guess I'm finding it difficult to really understand, to internalize, how something rooted in the search for objectivity and truth like the work and conscious suffering could be used as a tool to grow in service to the self, as it feels to me like it would naturally lead towards the opposite end of the spectrum, since STS is rooted in subjectivity and wishful thinking. But it may very well be a lack of awareness on my part