4th density earth

[syldan]

This is a question that I have wondered about since my first brushing with the experiment...
Are there in the transcripts any indication as to the present existence of a 4th density earth?
It has always seemed to me that by what I understand of the transcripts, the c's are trying to lead us onto this idea?
Also, I have surmised that this passage from 3rd to 4th, if it happens cyclically, it has happened before, does, and will!
Also, what would 4th density earth look like to us in 3rd? Like Jupiter?
Also, I read that to 4th density (lizzies, etc.) earth is invisible, does that mean only 3rd density earth, or are they connected with a 4th density earth?
dg

 

[PepperFritz]

This is a question that I have wondered about since my first brushing with the experiment...
Are there in the transcripts any indication as to the present existence of a 4th density earth?
It has always seemed to me that by what I understand of the transcripts, the c's are trying to lead us onto this idea?
Also, I have surmised that this passage from 3rd to 4th, if it happens cyclically, it has happened before, does, and will!
Also, what would 4th density earth look like to us in 3rd? Like Jupiter?
Also, I read that to 4th density (lizzies, etc.) earth is invisible, does that mean only 3rd density earth, or are they connected with a 4th density earth?
dg

My understanding from reading Laura's work and the transcripts is that the earth is currently 3rd density and is in the process of transitioning to 4th density. It is also my understanding that the earth has never been 4th density in the past. I'll review the material in order to find the relevant passages.

 

[Lucius]

Inofmation about day and night in 4th planet ( including earth )

session 941014

Q: (L) Will the days be different as to length of time light and
dark as they are now?
A: Not the point. Planet will be 4th density as well.
Q: (L) But will the days and nights be different and will the
orbit be different? Will the axial angle be changed?
A: You are thinking in terms of the 3rd level density. The rules
will be so totally different that physical inspired comparisons
are moot.
Q: (L) But I like the sunshine and birds singing and breezes. I
just want to know if those things will be the same.
A: In some fashion.
Q: (L) Can't you give a few clues?
A: We must let you see for yourself.

Information about eat in 4th

session 941023

Q: (L) When the earth becomes 4th density will we still eat?
A: Differently.
Q: (L) Will we still reproduce?
A: Differently.
Q: (L) Will people still have sexual relations?
A: Wait and see for yourself. Absorb nutrients through the
skin.

time in 4th

session 941102

Q: (L) In other words we can expect to be in 4th density for
about 300,000 years?
A: Yes.

Battle in 4th after we come from 3th to 4th.

session 941126
Q: (T) So we are but one battle in the universe in an overall,
ongoing struggle?
A: Yes. Balance is natural. Remember, it's all just lessons in
the grand cycle.
Q: (L) I am really curious... when you guys and the Lizzies
"go to it", what do you do? I mean, you obviously don't shoot
guns at each other and you don't have tanks...
A: Too complicated for you to possibly understand because
you are not at 4th level yet.
Q: (J) When you are fighting, is it any way at all possible for
us to detect the battle?
A: First: We don't "fight." Second, yes; it's nature as in
meteorology and earth changes.
Q: (T) Your form of confrontation takes the form of physical
changes in the atmosphere and environment of the planet?
A: And in space.
Q: (T) But that is how we detect it? The more activity, the
more conflict is going on?
A: Remember, we are the light. They are the dark. We are
both high level thought forms reflected at all levels of reality.
Q: (T) So, what we perceive, then, is what comes through to
third density which is not what we would perceive if we were
looking at it from 4th or 5th or 6th.

Who will go to the 4th ? ( candidate )

session 941209Q: (L) How does one know that one is a 4 D candidate?
A: You gradually "awaken".
Q: (L) Are my children 4 D candidates? And my husband?
You have to tell me this. If I have to deal with things, let me
do it a little at a time.
A: You are not in correct frame of mind.
Q: (L) Well, that sounds ominous.
A: Wait for answer.
Q: (L) Wait until when?
A: You are ready.
Q: (L) So, in other words, some people may have to leave
behind children or mates, or siblings or parents, is that true?
A: If so, will be prepared.
Q: (L) Is there any way to tell if someone is a 4 D candidate?
A: Inquire of them.
Q: (L) And, will they know?
A: Yes, at some level. In a sense. Those who are chosen feel
it. You will know.
Q: (L) Well, I happen to think that my family is extremely
special.
A: So do all.
Q: (L) I have taken a great deal of time and care with spiritual
matters. Is that because it was my obsession or did they
choose me because of this?
A: Open.

Information about DNA changes

session 941217
Q: (L) We would like to ask what is the source of the warts
D*** and E*** P***'s wife have in various places on their
bodies?
A: Genes Oriented.
Q: (L) Does this mean warts are genetic?
A: Oriented.
Q: (L) Is it the same for both of them?
A: Not exactly.
Q: (L) How can warts be connected to genetics?
A: Progression to 4th density.
Q: (L) Why does it have to be so hard?
A: Many things are. Backaches, for example.
Q: (L) Backaches are one thing, but warts are very
unpleasant.
A: Unpleasant is subjective.
Q: (L) How does D*** get rid of her warts?
A: Not the point.
Q: (L) What is the point.
A: Natural progression. Warts are not the issue. All have
symptoms, but not all are the same.
Q: (DM) What can I do to get rid of the warts? They make
me feel awful.
A: Adjust your feelings.
Q: (DM) Am I getting these warts because I am transitioning
to 4th density?
A: All are headed to 4th density. So, what does it matter,
remember, transformation is always accompanied by some
difficulty.
Q: (L) What will work for her?
A: Compresses.
Q: (L) What kind of compresses?
A: Mud nourished with minerals. Check with horticulturist.
Q: (L) How do we find a horticulturist? Network?
A: Always "Network". Networking is 4th Density STO
concept seeping into 3rd density with upcoming realm border
crossing.
Q: (DM) Networking is the way to get things done from 3rd
level into 4th level?
A: Coming from 4th level into 3rd because of influence of
wave.
Q: (DM) So, each of us has a skill that we develop and help
each other. (L) We are all part of a body.
A: This is the way lives in STO! D*** on board, V*** write.
V*** not to feel bad, will return. Please be patient. Hello,
D***.

What 4th  STS want to DO

Session 941217
A: What do STS 4th Density intend to do?
Q: (L) The 4th level STS beings intend to set things up so that
they can rule us and feed off of us in 4th density. They want to
bring everybody over to their way of thinking and their
domination so that we will give them our energy and give up
our free will... (DM) So, we are being set up. (F) Well, that is
part of it. Don't you remember the battle that is supposed to
ensue that has already begun at some level, and this will
determine, in part, whether we will be STS or STO, which
also is known at some level... (L) Has E*** P*** been
subverted and programmed to lead people astray?
A: No.

What do the 4th density STS Orions look like

Q: (L) What do the 4th density STS Orions look like? I know
what the answer is... are they Lizzies?
A: Some.
Q: (L) So, E*** P*** is getting hauled out by the Lizzies and
the Grays and they make themselves look and seem nice to
him, is that it?
A: Laura, 3 and 4 don't jibe.
Q: (L) Are there 3rd level Lizzies?
A: All these are 4th who sometimes travel to 3rd rules are
totally different in 4th density have you not grasped this yet?

When earth 3th will go to the 4th

session 941016
Q: (L) "Again I looked and lo! I saw a white cloud and sitting
on the cloud one resembling a son of man with a crown of
gold on his head and a sharp scythe in his hand..." Is that
further additions?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) "Another angel came out of the temple saying with a
mighty voice to the one sitting on the cloud: put in your scythe
and reap for the hour has arrived to gather the harvest for the
earth's crop is fully ripened..."
A: More fear based disinformation.
Q: (L) Now, I have compared certain passages of
Revelations to the work of Immanuel Velikovsky, were those
sections accurate in what they describe?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And those are events that will transpire after the Lizzies
have done their thing, after the Visa is in place, and before or
after Christ returns?
A: Before.
Q: (L) So the cluster of comets is going to come before the
return of Christ??
A: Yes. But return is just one event not the whole thing.
Q: (L) Is there going to be massive disruption on the planet
and maybe a lot of people transitioning out of the body
simultaneously because of the interaction of this cluster of
comets and the earth.
A: Close.
Q: (L) And, shortly following this event, Christ will return?
A: As part of the whole.
Q: (L) That is going to be part of the cluster of comets
activity?
A: After.
Q: (L) What is Christ going to do after he returns?
A: Teach.
Q: (L) How many people are going to be on the planet to
receive this teaching?
A: Open.
Q: (L) May we assume there will be six billion?
A: Assume as you please.
Q: (L) You keep saying that the return of Christ is a part of
the whole as though there is some important thing that I am
missing the question to discover. Consider that question
asked... tell me what it is I am missing, please.
A: Obvious if you have been paying attention.
Q: (L) And that is...?
A: The transition to 4th density.
Q: (L) Is the transition to 4th density going to happen before
the comets or after?
A: After.
Q: (L) Is the interaction of the comets and the planet earth
going to....
A: Precede the transition.
Q: (L) Is it going to generate this change in some way?
A: No.
Q: (L) It's not going to have anything to do with
electromagnetic interactions which would heighten the atomic
vibrations of the planet?
A: No.
Q: (L) So, the comets are going to make a mess of things and
then the transition is going to come as Christ comes?
A: Before.
Q: (L) The transition will happen and we will all be standing
around glazed in the eyes or whatever, wondering what to do
with ourselves, because we are finding ourselves in a new
estate we have not been in before, and then Christ comes?
A: More or less.
Q: (L) Now, what is going to happen after Christ comes back
and everything is sort of straightening out and he is teaching...
is everybody on the planet going to be gathered together in
one place to receive these teachings?
A: No.
Q: (L) Is he going to travel around and teach?
A: Technology.
Q: (L) He will teach via the media?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And we are still going to have access to our media,
television and radio and so forth?
A: Some.
Q: (L) Are some people at that point in time or just prior to
this transition, going to leave in large groups with the Lizzies?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Are there going to be large groups of people moving
into domed cities on the planet living in "cahoots" with the
Lizzies?
A: Close.
Q: (L) In other words there may be areas of Lizzie control on
the planet and areas under the control of Christ?
A: Christ does not control.
Q: (L) Will the Lizzie people come out of their cities from time
to time and "molest" the followers of Christ from time to time?
A: Maybe.
Q: (L) So, in other words, we will have a greatly reduced
population, people here and people there, none of whom are
totally united on the planet?
A: Goodnight.

Information about WHO will come with 4th waves to earth 3th and WHEN

session 941102

Q: (L) Well if the Nephilim were brought here 9 to 12
thousand years ago...
A: Last visit. Have been here 5 times. Will return.
Q: (L) The Nephilim are going to return? Where do the
Nephilim currently live?
A: Orion.
Q: (L) They live in the constellation Orion? Where is their
planet?
A: Don't have one. In transit.
Q: (L) The whole dadgum bunch is in transit?
A: Three vehicles.
Q: (L) How many Nephilim does each vehicle hold?
A: About 12 million.
Q: (L) Are they coming to help us?
A: No. Wave comet cluster all using same energy.
Q: (L) Using same energy to what?
A: Pass through space-time.
Q: (L) Does this mean that without this comet cluster they
cannot pass through space/time?
A: No. Slower. message follows here. Quiet for one moment
please: From now on when word to follow is in quotes we
will designate as follows: mark then word then mark. Now,
"slower." [We installed quote marks on the board after this.
From this point on, when words in the Cassiopaean
responses are in quotes, it is because they have so
designated.]
Q: (L) So, it is slower for them to come here without this
wave. Where is the wave coming from?
A: Follows cluster.
Q: (L) It follows the cluster. What does this wave consist of?
A: Realm border.
Q: (L) Does the realm border wave follow the comet cluster
in a permanent way?
A: No.
Q: (L) Is the realm border loosely associated with the comet
cluster each time it comes?
A: No. Realm border follows all encompassing energy reality
change; realm border will follow this cluster passage and has
others but not most.
Q: (L) Is this realm border a dimensional boundary?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Okay, this realm border, do dimensions...
A: Pulsating realms. Fluctuating realms.
Q: (L) Is our realm fluctuating or pulsating?
A: No.
Q: (L) But this other realm does?
A: No.
Q: (L) What fluctuates?
A: Residence.
Q: (L) Whatever is in that realm fluctuates?
A: No. Your planet fluctuates between realms.
Q: (L) How often does this fluctuation occur?
A: About every 309,000 years.
Q: (L) In other words we can expect to be in 4th density for
about 300,000 years?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Does this mean that the Edenic state existed for about
300.000 years before the "Fall?"
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Now, you say these Nephilim are coming and there is
about 36 million of them, correct?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And they are the enforcers of the Grays and Lizzies, is
that correct?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Well, let's sit back and watch the show! You are
saying that the planet fluctuates...
A: No, realms do planet merely occupies realm.
Q: (L) What is the source in space/time of this other realm?
A: Too complex.
Q: (L) What is the generative source?
A: Part of grand cycle.
Q: (L) Is this the cycle understood by the Mayans?
A: They understood partially.
Q: (L) Their calendar extends to 2012... is that accurate as to
the time of the realm border change?
A: Close. Still indefinite as you measure time. Lizzies hoping
to rule you in 4th density. Closer to 18 years.

....... cut ..........

Q: (L) If the Nephilim are coming 36 million strong as
enforcers for the Lizzies, does the Confederation have a like
amount for defense?
A: We don't operate that way.
Q: (L) Are we just going to have to fight them off ourselves?
A: Think of The Wizard of Oz. It was inspired by us.
Q: (L) Does the witch represent the Lizzies?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) So, is there something we have or can do...
A: Glenda like us.
Q: (L) And who is the Wizard? Is that the Beast or the U.S.
Govt.?
A: Close. Illuminati.
Q: (L) Are the monkeys the Nephilim.
A: Close enough.
Q: (L) If water destroyed the witch, and the witch represents
the Lizzies, can we destroy the Lizzies?
A: Knowledge.
Q: (L) But there are only a few on the planet who have the
knowledge, am I correct?
A: What do you mean? Against all when all when time comes.
Q: (L) So the 36 million will be against all on the planet when
the time comes?
A: Of course.
Q: (L) And those who have the knowledge and can dispense
it to others ...
A: Yes.

 

[Lucius]

information about waves

Session 941210
Q: (T) So, when we move to 4th density and become whole
with ourselves, we will know you also for a short time?
A: Not whole yet when at 4th density.
Q: (T) But in order to move to 4th density...
A: Closer.
Q: (T) We, us, in this room, are closer than others are?
A: No. Closer when at 4th density.
Q: (L) When S*** was under hypnosis she described seeing
a fleet of space ships "riding a wave" and this unnerved her.
She felt this wave was a fearful, invasion-type thing. Was this
you and your wave she was perceiving?
A: Wave is transport mode.
Q: (L) Is that transport mode for many beings?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Are you coming to invade us?
A: No, merge.
Q: (L) Are others coming with the intention of invading us?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And, when you merge with us, are you going to
empower us to resist and defend ourselves?
A: Wave is "crowded."
Q: (T) So, everybody out in the whole universe who want a
piece of the earth action are on this wave?
A: At realm border crossing.

Dna change

session 941210
Q: (L) When we go into 4th density are we going to be free
of mosquitoes, roaches, slimy worms, slugs and so on?
A: No.
Q: (L) In conjunction with DNA changes, is there any
similarity between the human race and the idea of
transformation relating to populations such as grasshoppers
into locusts?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) When grasshoppers turn into locusts, they swarm
when their population gets too large.
A: All is part of natural cyclical process.
Q: (L) Was the DNA change that we are experiencing
programmed into us so that after so many generations these
changes would just sort of kick in?
A: Close.
Q: (L) So, we all selected certain bodies before we
incarnated that would be prime for this programming?
A: Are you ready to be hermaphrodites?
Q: (L) Is that what we are going to be?
A: Wait and see.

Session 941210

Q: (L) I wanted to ask about something you mentioned last
night; I haven't transcribed the tape, but you said something
about being a 4th density candidate and I had not heard you
use the term before. What is a 4th density candidate?
A: Self-explanatory.
Q: (L) How does one get to be a 4th density candidate?
A: Natural progression.
Q: (L) Is everyone on this planet a 4th density candidate?
A: No.
Q: (L) How many are there?
A: Open.
Q: (L) Could someone become a candidate overnight who is
not now a candidate?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) How many strands of DNA do we have?
A: T***, 4; F***, 4; J***, 3; Laura, 3.
Q: (L) Well, gee... does this have anything to do with sex?
A: No.
Q: (L) Are you telling us that F*** and T*** are smarter
than Jan and me?
A: You are growing your 4th, 5th and 6th right now.
Q: (T) If our 3rd density were to examine our DNA right now
would they see this?
A: They would call it Junk DNA.
Q: (T) Would it be noticeable as DNA that was not there
before?
A: Maybe.
Q: (F) They would have to compare to a baseline.

Earth in 4th for about 1.3 sec

session 950107

Q: (L) Was there any particular significance to this type of
blast since it is not something any of us has experienced in our
immediate memory. Is there any implication to this blast in
terms of 4th density activity?
A: You have, and yes, as always.
Q: (L) Since this was such a boomer, what exactly was going
on on 4th density that produced a boomer like this?
A: Overlapping densities, lasting approximately 1.3 seconds,
as you measure time i.e.: for 1.3 seconds, you lived
completely in 4th density.
Q: (T) So this was a significant event for us to have noticed?
A: The noticing was more significant than the event.
Q: (V) Can I ask... so every time there is... am I wrong in
assuming that every time there is thunder there is a mix of 4th
density? (L) No, no. (V) It's just this one time? (T) What
about if you didn't notice? I didn't hear it. (T) What was the
answer? (L) The noticing was more important than the event.
(T) So it was important that we were aware that something
had happened...
A: You did at another level of consciousness.

4th

session 950114
Q: (L) I see. (T) So, what you are trying to say is that when
the wave comes it is going to take us to 4th density, if we are
ready, but we are not actually going to merge with you in 6th
density at that point, but we may experience a "merge" at that
point because all points of focus merge during transition from
one density to another?
A: Partly correct, partly way off.
Q: (J) What part is right and what part is wrong? (T) The
wave is going to take those of us who are, at that point ready,
to move us into 4th density, is this part correct?
A: Open.
Q: (T) Which part of it is open?
A: You are a 4th density candidate.
Q: (T) So, we are 4th density candidates but that doesn't
necessarily mean that we will make it into 4th density, true?
A: Partly.
Q: (T) As 4th density candidates, anyone that is, when the
wave comes, if they have reached the correct frequency
vibration, and have raised themselves up to the point that the
wave will take them, they will, at that point, move into 4th
density, true?
A: Close enough.
Q: (T) Now, when those who move into 4th density make the
move, will they experience a completeness or merge with all
other densities of their being, at that point, even if it is for a
short time?
A: For one immeasurably small instant, this is what is meant
by "illumination"!
Q: (T) But, for that small instant, because there really is no
time, maybe an instant or an aeon, depending on how any
individual might measure it, we might experience oneness with
ourselves?
A: It may seem to last "forever."
Q: (L) Is this what is known as the "rapture?"
A: Some have attempted to explain instinctive thought
patterns this way.
Q: (L) Is the moving into 4th density and the understanding
we have of it, which is the possible transcending or leaving a
3rd density earth, which is under great assault in terms of
cataclysmic activity and so forth, and moving to a place where
none of that is apparent, is this what is known as the
"rapture?"
A: Laura, you are reaching.

at this time i finish i'm going to sleep
Ther are meany information about 4th earth in C's session just you must search .

Greeting
Lucas W.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Are there in the transcripts any indication as to the present existence of a 4th density earth?

Based on my current understanding of the concepts, I would say that everything in the cosmos exists "simultaneously" at various levels. Picture a tube sock with a billiard ball in it. If the billiard ball is at the very bottom of the sock, it exists with its center of gravity on a low level of Being. The high levels still exist, but they are more "potentialities" because the "focus" is on level 1. As the billiard ball rises, existence at that level becomes more concrete and certain. Of course, this could be a totally wrong way of looking at it.

Also, I read that to 4th density (lizzies, etc.) earth is invisible, does that mean only 3rd density earth, or are they connected with a 4th density earth?

Lower levels cannot perceive higher levels, only clues and indications of their existence. Just as a dog cannot "see" that a human is higher, a psychopath cannot "see" what he lacks in another human, and we cannot "see" HD beings. So we, and everything, can exist at a higher level (e.g. as a 6D higher self), and yet not directly perceive that existence. Same goes for a 3D/4D Earth.

 

[syldan]

I am re-reading the transcripts at this point... I had first read the Wave series, where I got sidetracked a lot because of all the great chatter on the sidelines. Finally today I discovered the transcripts straight up in zip format. And that is what I was looking for! Great job!

As Approaching Infinity is thinking, if I am reading the post right, there IS presently a 4th density earth (illusion) where previous 3rd density dwellers have ascended to in the past, and are presently inhabiting... My personal feeling on this is that some, if not many of us are partially present on more than one playing field.

I wish to thank you all for the efforts in helping a newcomer get his bearings on these issues.
dg

 

[anart]

As Approaching Infinity is thinking, if I am reading the post right, there IS presently a 4th density earth (illusion) where previous 3rd density dwellers have ascended to in the past, and are presently inhabiting... My personal feeling on this is that some, if not many of us are partially present on more than one playing field.

Well, to my understanding, there is, objectively, no 'time'; no 'past' - no 'future', in which case this appears to be a likely scenario - though, from an objective perspective it would not be 'illusion'.

Since we're out in hypothetical land, one other aspect of this that might be 'fun' to consider is that since there is no time and the 4D denizens of this 'other earth' have so increased their activities in their 'need for total control' on 3D earth - the fact that they are still interfering so heavily and so often might indicate that this 4D earth is not 'currently' how they want it to be.

In short - they're still working over-time (as it were) to exert total control on 3D earth. Considering that there is no 'time' - why would they need to do that, unless - 'then' and 'there' is not how they want it to be - they do not have the control they intended to have? Theoretically, they already see the outcome, since there is no 'time' - sooooo the fact that they're still working so hard might mean that they have to...

Just a thought from out in left field. ;) (and worth as much....)

 

[NormaRegula]

In short - they're still working over-time (as it were) to exert total control on 3D earth. Considering that there is no 'time' - why would they need to do that, unless - 'then' and 'there' is not how they want it to be - they do not have the control they intended to have? Theoretically, they already see the outcome, since there is no 'time' - sooooo the fact that they're still working so hard might mean that they have to...

An interesting take on the situation. I've had the same thoughts myself. It's kinda funny to picture 4D STS types constantly trying to change stuff, exert more and more pressure, (Didn't the C's say something about them messing with earth's history for 70,000+ of our linear years to gain the correct "outcome"?) and still not have the future(s) working out the way they wish it to.

Wonder if there has been or will be lots of 4D STS hair-pulling, (if they have any) cursing, and then swift disposal of 3D minions who "failed us for the last time"? (Okay...I couldn't resist visualizing the silly space opera story ending.)

 

[mamadrama]

Finally today I discovered the transcripts straight up in zip format. And that is what I was looking for! Great job!

Can you provide the link for the transcripts in zip format? I've not been able to find them. Thanks!

 

[Tigersoap]

the fact that they are still interfering so heavily and so often might indicate that this 4D earth is not 'currently' how they want it to be.

Maybe they are too busy with wishful thinking so they can't see everything, especially when they are people using their free will even for a split second, I guess it is like running after millions of toddlers who are all trying to get out of bed at the same time because they don't want to sleep.

 

[gdpetti]

You have to respect the strain it must be to limit one's focus in this 4dSTS or 5dSTS manner of existence... to limit the 360degree to as few as possible.. that must take alot of energy to do... to negate all intel except those you want... to only see what you want to see etc. WOW! Self imposed blindness... From a military pov, it would seem incredibly insane... but that seems to always be the pattern... no wonder they are always looking for the light energy from others... they must be hungry all the time... never any satisfaction... total tunnel vision... with the mindset of total domination/control etc... all offense and no defense.

I remember the Ra source saying the battles are fought with light... in thought forms in 4d.. as the 4dSTO teams take turns so as to not depolarize with the 'combat'... etc. Sort of like the C's various members taking turns during the sessions only to maintain equalized energies, or something like that.

That time travel to manipulate was close to 74,000 yrs... from the C's I think... and Ra mentioned the 75,000 closing of Grand Cycle as well, though in those 3 periods of 25th each, not sure how the ~1000 yr transition period fits into this equation. So, 4dsts have been essentially using the time frame of the arrival of the Kantekkians to Earth for these manipulations... they must see them as 'better' subjects polarity wise to play with.. though they must see the simple fact that all the peices get rearranged everytime they 'adjust' their own piece... in 5d before incarnating with the higher self guidance seeing the whole show as it plays out with the various potentials/possibilities... again it must be the self-imposed limitation of their pov that negates any ability to see this or perhaps more to the point, to care to see it.. as it would seem a perception they wish not to entertain. That seems very close to psychotic... though by choice, no wonder they find the 'failures' such good subjects to manipulate events... fine tuning the process.

I'm just amazed at the willpower needed to delude the self into this limitation... one they are trying to put in our minds as well... but to do it by choice is very interesting... not by 'failured' programming, but self-conscious choice... that whole balancing thing it seems to the STO expansion to total perception.

 

[syldan]

reply to laurel's question:
http://web.archive.org/web/20030207143300/www.cassiopaea.org/sessions/sessions.htm
dg

 

[syldan]

quote from anart:
Since we're out in hypothetical land, one other aspect of this that might be 'fun' to consider is that since there is no time and the 4D denizens of this 'other earth' have so increased their activities in their 'need for total control' on 3D earth - the fact that they are still interfering so heavily and so often might indicate that this 4D earth is not 'currently' how they want it to be.

Or does this have to do with upcoming wave, changes??? And the desire to contrôle further, as in guaranteeing the wanted oputcome?

dg

 

[Graalsword]

There is also this quote from Eugène Canseliet:

He [Fulcanelli] is no longer there. He is on the Earth, but it is the Earthly Paradise. What does he do now? I have seen nothing. I saw him upon my arrival, when he welcomed me in a three-piece suit. [...]

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/124992-Happy-Birthday-Fulcanelli

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

In short - they're still working over-time (as it were) to exert total control on 3D earth. Considering that there is no 'time' - why would they need to do that, unless - 'then' and 'there' is not how they want it to be - they do not have the control they intended to have?

Well I was actually wondering, if there is no time and these beings are hyperdimensional, why do they need to "do" anything to manipulate what happens in our "future". As in, why can't they just go to a reality/dimension that they want? Just define the parameters - say, we want to go to the reality where we have total dominion over 4th density earth, and simply access that dimension/possibility? It appears they cannot do that for some reason. It must be either some sort of limitation on their part or somemething about how the universe works that prevents somebody from doing that.

The C's said every possibility that can exist, does. But if in every single reality the lizzies basically just "wish" themselves into 4th density earth where they have full control - shouldn't there be at least one reality where the lizzies must actually put in the effort and do all the right stuff to "make" that reality exist in the first place? So I'd think at least one "version" of the lizzies will have to do it the hard way? Of course, being STS, the lizzies would never "choose" to do something the hard way, so why would they ever choose such a method in ANY reality? They must have no choice - something is limiting them from having such an open access to every reality they can conceive of. Cuz the C's also said the lizzies can create new universes and merge them with ours in order to "change" ours. But again, why can't they just create a universe they want and go live there? Also must be a limitation that we just don't know about that stops it from being quite so easy.

Q: (L) Why do I have this gripping and pinching sensation on the back of my neck right at this moment?
A: We are blasting open your learning chakra.
Q: (T) Did it just start? (L) Oh, yes. It feels like I am being gripped by a pair of pincers right at the base of my neck.
Okay, 4th density is like, am I correct, that it is similar to the dream state. The instant you think something or focus on it,
it happens or becomes real?
A: Continue.
Q: (L) And that, for example, if you wished to be on a boat on the water, that you would find yourself on a boat on what
is actually a more real ocean that the ocean we experience here, because, in every way it matches your expectations,
down to the glints of sunlight on the water...
A: Slip 4th.
Q: (J) Like slipping gears? (L) Am I slipping?
A: Yes. Why do you need a boat?
Q: (L) Well, just because in that particular fantasy the idea is to be on a boat. (T) But it is not a fantasy. (L) It is reality. Okay. So, in other words, 4th density is a realm where your thoughts instantly manifest as reality. If, for example, you think of yourself being a princess in a tower, a castle would manifest and you would be in a tower, and if you wanted
your hair to hang down to the ground, it would hang down too.
A: That is 5th level stuff.
Q: (L) Well, that is certainly true, considering the stuff that is coming back to me about the "Wave." But, all my internet postings are dated, so it would be fairly easy to track. We have some questions here: Physicists talk about multi-dimensional universes. The idea is that our 3 dimensional space and 1 dimensional time is an illusion of plane beings, while the true universe has more dimensions perpendicular to the above ones. Physicists have different guesses here: 5, 6, 7, 11, and 256. How many dimensions does the true universe have?
A: Not correct concept. Should be: How many universes does the "true" dimension have?
Q: (L) Alright, then. I think that from a previous session we were told that the number of universes was not countable. Is that correct?
A: Infinite, maybe, but more to the point: variable and selective.
Q: (L) Is it that there can be more at one time and less at another?
A: No.
Q: (L) Does this mean that any potential universe can be selected at any time to be the ONE that is cued? (T) No, the "jukebox" idea relates to time. Explain variable and selective, please?
A: For those who know how, universes can be created at will in order to transmodify reality merge.
Q: (L) What is a reality merge?
A: What does it sound like?
Q: (T) Merging of realities from one universe into another? A creating of a new reality which is then merged with the old to create a new universe. (L) Maybe it means the realities of different people merge to create a sort of "mutual universe?"
Like the idea "you create your own reality?"
A: TR is closer; Laura is playing "left field."
Q: (L) The next question: The C's, Andromedans and others talk about 'densities.' We are supposed to live in 3rd density. Does this number 3 have anything to do with 3 space dimensions?
A: Close. Means: Original definition closer to 3rd level of experience, relating material/ethereal spectrum, but denizens of
Terra Locator came up with "Third Dimensional" explanation due to influences upon the subconscious mind from soul memory connection to Akashic record.
Q: (L) J talks about dimensions, densities and states. What about states? (T) Yeah, there's Georgia and Arkansas... no, that's not really a state...
A: You forgot poor little Fhode Island! Tsk tsk! Mirth!
Q: (L) Okay, does "state" refer to some state of being that entities can exist in?
A: On this, consult psychological text books for more information, if you are so inclined as this is the only area where this term applies.
Q: (L) Well, J has come up with the number 384 dimensions which comes from some obscure formula... he also says that these dimensions differ by entropy and that the next dimension above us is a superconducting dimension, that there are dark and light dimensions, forward and time back dimensions. Aside from the fact that we have already disposed of
the NUMBER of dimensions...
A: We suggest that J create a universe thusly.
Q: (L) Okay, do densities differ by entropy?
A: No, but maybe by "atrophy."
Q: (L) Now, do we have densities that are superconducting?
A: ???
Q: (L) Do you mean that we need to discover in this area? Are there dark and light densities?
A: This line is not productive to your quest.
Q: (T) Well, this J does not seem to be able to grasp the idea that time is not a dimension; it is just a localized variable.
(L) The C's said once that 4th density is "going with the speed of light." I think I remember that you said that there was NO speed of light there because "speed" was a 3rd density concept.
A: Please... we are drifting! Tell A that "aether" is Terran material science's attempt to address ether. The trouble is, there is simply no way to physicalize a plane of existence which is composed entirely of consciousness. It is the union of perfect balance between the two "states" or planes, that is the foundation and essence of all creation/reality. You cannot have one without the other!
Q: (L) When you say the two states or planes, you are saying the physical state and the state of consciousness...
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And you can't have one without the other. And the state of consciousness and the state of material existence are so completely connected, that both are infinite? One cannot exist without the other...
A: Yes, connected, intertwined, bonded... Merged.
Q: (T) A structure of the universe that holds the levels together... everything is connected. The consciousness of 6th density is perfectly bonded and balanced with 3rd density, and the quasi physical level of 4th density, and the totally physical levels 3 through 1, and the total ONE of 7th, and whatever 5th is. (L) We have four levels of physical expression, so to speak, going from the really solid, minimal consciousness level 1 to....
A: Yes, but the Terran scientists have been programmed to believe that nothing can exist unless it can be measured, estimated, calculated and represented in some way in the physical material plane. Not true!!!!!!! For example: We are in NO WAY physical.
Q: (L) Well, I also want to know why you refer to a technological device that supposedly transports someone from one density to another, as a 'Trans Dimensional Remolecularizer?'
A: In order to reconstruct 3rd density into 4th density physical, other dimensions must be utilized in the process. Remember, we are talking about exact duplicates which are merged.
Q: (L) But, a little while ago you said there was a single dimension and many universes, and now you are saying utilizing another dimension, so the terminology is getting to be a little bit confusing... (T) It is like a program loading onto a computer. Some programs just load straight in. Others need to create a space on the hard drive to put files that they
need to LOAD the program, but are not PART of the program, and when it is finished loading, it erases all the "loading instructions." The hard drive is still the hard drive, but for a time, the program used a sector of the hard drive, and
created a temporary dimension, let's say. (L) Is this what we are looking at here?
A: Close. And remember, we said "true" dimension!
Q: (L) So, it is like one hard drive, many programs, loading instructions for new programs that are then erased, etc. If there is one "true dimension," and infinite universes within it, does one particular universe exist, of and by itself, at any given time, until it is merged into a new one, or is there within this one true dimension, multiple universes as real as ours is, to which we could go, and could be there alongside ours, so to speak?
A: Yes to the latter.
Q: (L) And, can infinite numbers of "dimensions" exist within each level of density, even if temporary?
A: Yes. If you want to go back and change "history," either for individuals or for universal perception, you must first create an alternate universe to do it. Your 4th density STS "friends" have been doing this a lot.
Q: (L) If you, being a general term, create an alternate universe, does the former one continue to exist, or does the
former one merge into the new one?
A: Both.
Q: (L) If the former one continues to exist, does it exist and evolve on its own, disassociated with the second one, or this
offshoot?
A: Clarify.
Q: (T) The universe you are in: you are going along and say, "I think I will create a new Universe." You do it, and move to it, and you bring your universe with you. That is the merging of realities. But, when you move to the new universe, you are no longer in the original one which continues along on its own. The pattern of the old universe, you bring into the new one, and when you become part of the new universe you have just created, you are no longer part of the old one you just left. It just goes along with everybody else there. (L) Is this correct?
A: Sort of... remember, one can create all ranges of types of alternate possibilities.
Q: (L) So you could create a new universe with a new "past," even?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) So, in that way, both actually occur and you can change the whole thing?
A: When merged, the former never existed.
Q: (T) Not for the person creating the new universe, but the former will continue for everybody else.
A: Close.
Q: (L) So, for the person creating a new universe, the former never existed, but the other beings who are satisfied with
that old universe, and "go" with it, are still continuing along as though...
A: Your 3rd density mind restrictions limit the scope of your comprehension in this area.
Q: (L) If you decide you don't like your present universe, and you work like crazy to learn how to create a new one, and
you do it, do you, essentially, forget that you did this? And why you did this? And forget the other universe?
A: If you wish.
Q: (L) So you can or you can't... (T) Going by what you just said: "an unhappy universe," is that because your perceiving the universe you are in as being unhappy because that is the way you are and where you are at, in terms of learning, and by creating a new universe, you are simply wishing to change the way the universe is around you, and really its not the
universe that has a problem, but you...
A: Off track.
Q: (L) So, the universe you are in, is what it is, and you are in it for some reason... (T) You're in it to learn lessons... just to change the universe because you don't want to learn the lessons you've chosen to learn... (L) Or, you have learned
them and thereby CAN change the universe... (T) When you learn, you just move on automatically, you don't have to change the universe. The universe will change for you.
A: Deja vu comes to you compliments of 4th density STS.

Anyway this is just a fascinating session overall and there's more, most of which goes right over my head. But this idea of "true" dimension is interesting!