A Disappointed C's Fan

[Miss Isness]

Maybe she just can't cope with that level of negativity at this time Sad She needs to come to terms with the negative stuff in her own life before she can look at what's happening 'out there'.

I wouldn't call it negativity when it is, in reality, just what is needed to learn. Disease is a gift when seen in a certain light, and so are all the problems we are encountering. They give us the opportunity to see how we have actively participated in making these experiences happen by denying the truth that can be arrived at through a balance of heart and mind. When we want that truth more than we want to avoid suffering, we have learned osit.

 

[crazycharlie]

I have been reading Laura & the C's since 98. I think things are clearly coming
together as they have said. I am very thankful Cassiopaea is still up and running.
When they ( The SOTT team etc.) stopped posting the sessions yet said they were
still doing them , I understood that to mean take what info I could and start working
with it on ONESELF... as well as watching what direction Laura & the team were focusing
on....( and the events on the big blue marble) many thanks ... I am NOT disappointed !

 

[thorbiorn]

Keeping it brief, I'm a fan of Cs Material. I am extraordinarily disappointed with where things have evolved to however, and find it almost impossible to get beyond the political detail of the day, to the heart of worldly issues at hand, and in parallel to the Cs Material.

I am purposely looking for insight that I can gather in regards to the 'future' and the way things are playing out so I can better understand my personal life. I am having treatment for cancer and a deeper understanding of my life would perhaps be useful.

The writer is an alleged fan of the Cassiopaean Material. What might he/she have learned from it without using a search engine on the forum or the sott site? Below is a collection of quotes with regard to cancer which seem to be one problem.

The first five transcripts portray the development of one case of cancer and provides comments from the Cassiopaeans along the way.

Positive Mental Attitude enhances recovery from cancer

Q: (L) I would like to know if there is anything T*** G*** could do to enhance his recovery from cancer?
A: PMA. Positive Mental Attitude.

Cancer has many causes

Q: (L) I read a recent article by a woman named Dr. Hulda Clark, and she claims that all cancer, depending upon certain variations, is caused by parasites.
A: No.
Q: (L) Well, if Hulda Clark's theory isn't it, what is the cause of cancer?
A: There are many causes.
Q: (L) Well, the reason I asked is because TG has had to go back to Houston for tests because of pain in his arm. Is this, or is he heading toward, a recurrence of his cancer?
A: Yes.

It is not just a matter of where one lives

Q: […] Did that property or anything about being in the mountains have anything to do with the development of T*****'s cancer?
A: If so, only in an offhand way.
Q: Considering that C**** just told me that he would have probably lost his arm had he lived, that is an interesting way of putting it. I would like to be able to tell her something, but I just don't think I can. She is still too vulnerable right now.
A: Correct. Watch developments and advise post-development. C**** is skeptical of our existence. […] See now what happens to C****!!

Influences from relationships

Q: […] Well, C**** prefers the mountains because she was born in the mountains, she spent her early formative years in the mountains, and it is just that, to her, mountains are the natural way the land should look! That's why. It seems natural to her. It is peaceful, cool, calm, leafy and green and there are all these nice, loving people all around - just a lot of reasons.
A: Mountains are the way the land should look?
Q: Well, to her... that's what she was familiar with as a child. She feels more at home there. And, there is nothing anyone can say against such a thing.
A: No.
Q: Okay, why did she sleep so long and heavily after attending last Saturday night's session? Was this related to being here for the session? If so, why?
A: Yes and vibratory frequency alignment.
Q: Was this beneficial?
A: Yes.
Q: Would it be beneficial for her to attend more sessions?
A: Sure.
Q: Well, let me cover...
A: Fate will intercede.
Q: That brings this up: if a person has a life plan and do not seem to be following it because they are distracted for one reason or another, do dire things happen in such cases?
A: Yes.
Q: If C**** had been more in the direct seeking mode while she was married to T**** - is it possible that he would not have died so soon? I mean, was she supposed to be moving in a different direction and all these things happened to stop her, turn her around, make her think and so forth?
A: Marriage was not right to begin with.
Q: Well, T**** was the love of her life.
A: Cancer is evidence of this. How many instances can you think of where husband and wife, relatively young, are each subsequently stricken with such potentially deadly strains?
Q: In that sense, I would say that the bodies are definitely speaking loudly and clearly about something that the conscious minds are not even admitting. But, that is her issue. She would have to dig pretty deep for that. Why is she so stubborn about not looking at her own issues? Why does she prefer the 'personal myth,' as she calls it?
A: Some souls persistently chase ideals, even when totally detrimental to their chosen path. Check natal chart for substantiating clues there.
Q: Go back to the remark 'fate will intercede.' Can I have a clue?
A: Do you really want to know?
Q: Yeah! But, I am sure you are not going to tell me. I'm not greedy, I won't ask for the whole answer - just a crumb. I can figure it out - a crumb is all I ask!
A: Crunch.
Q: What?! That's the clue?!
A: Yes.
Q: You guys are bad to me! What kind of clue is that?
A: Can mean many things, yes?
Q: Yeah! […]

Some cancers mircrobially triggered

Q: Let me ask quickly, does giving Reiki to a person who has a bacterial or viral infection increase the potential of the infection? What is the effect?
A: Broad inquiry, but Reiki is best suited to conditions not microbially induced.
Q: Is it the case that you are actually feeding the microbes with energy?
A: Can, or effects can cancel each other out.
Q: What about when you are dealing with cancer... not, cancers are not microbial necessarily... but some have been shown to be microbial...
A: Microbially triggered.
Q: So cancers are microbially triggered?
A: Some.
Q: (V) As we practice Reiki, how do we know if we are doing the person more harm than good? How do we decide if we are going to make them sicker or better?
A: Ask if they are suffering from infection.
Q: What if they don't know? There are a lot of times that a person doesn't know.
A: True, but odds are in your favor.
Q: (V) So the viruses cannot be treated by etherical healing? Is there any method that will work other than Reiki?
A: Prayer.

The formulation “microbially triggered”, used above, means for me that microbes may trigger a cancer if already existing in potential for other reasons.

Cancer is always a “sideline”

Q: […] (V) I have been helping a woman who has cancer. I see her cancer as a sideline even though it is in the lymph system. Is this correct?
A: Cancer is always a "sideline."
Q: (V) When I was working with her, I felt a lot of energy flow coming up from her solar plexus. Was this the disease energy leaving?
A: Constriction easing. If she wants to remain on third density, she must change a 28 year long outlook, and purge feelings, rather than collecting them as a "sponge." Also, dietary changes are needed. We suggest sauerkraut extract and fruit juices and broccoli. She needs colonic therapy, and if diagnosis is "terminal," why are poisonous treatments a consideration? We strongly recommend that you suggest a change in the 28 year long outlook. She must purge and cleanse her mind, body, and soul, as with ALL cancer patients.
Q: (V) I want to address another issue: that of charging for Reiki and other similar work. I mean, if this is a spiritual gift...
A: Offer the opportunity to give donations in any amount or form as deemed appropriate by the receiver.

Cancer and ley lines

Q: Okay, last time we were talking about the "M" mound in Wisconsin. You said that it was not a naturally structure but that it was built for "F 353535." Could you say more about this? Was this used somehow to genetically manipulate the surrounding population?
A: Best so called lie in town.
Q: That doesn't make any sense.
A: Lay. [As in "ley" lines?]
Q: (TB) It looks like a big man laying. Is something laying there? (L) Or was it used for some kind of fertility rites? Is something buried inside it?
A: Force field generator.
Q: (L) Is it a force field generator by virtue of the kinds of rocks that are in there? Is it like rocks under a mound? [To TB] Have they ever x-rayed it to see what's under it? (TB) The whole area is a lead and zinc mining area. There's a lot of lead deposits around. Maybe they shield it, but it's supposed to be a natural formation, but the C's have said it's not a natural formation. (L) [chuckling] So maybe it's that everybody around there who "gets laid" is having some force field generator affecting them? Is that correct? Does it do something to the people in the area when they conceive children? Or do you mean ley line?
A: Close.
Q: (TB) There is an incredibly high rate of cancer in the area. Is it related to this high rate of cancer?
A: Yes. Lies are lays.
Q: (A) The cancer could be due to the lead which leaches into the water. (TB) That's true. (L) Genetically manipulate the surrounding population. Does this force field... well, yeah. Lies are lays. Ley lines, lies are lays... (TB) STS control field. (L) Is that what you are saying?
A: Close.

Apparently believing in lies is also not good for health.

Mental conditioning subliminal programming to expect it may bring about a cancer

Q: (L) Does F*** need Caffeine as he takes it.
A: Up to him.
Q: (L) Is this beneficial to him?
A: Believe it or not, yes.
Q: (L) Is it good for V***?
A: Yes. Adjusts your thinking and vice versa.
Q: (L) Is smoking detrimental to any of our bodies?
A: Not if mild. Not if mind is in right mode.
Q: (L) Does smoking enhance psychic abilities?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Is it true that the government program to stamp out smoking is inspired by the Lizzies?
A: Yes because they know it may heighten psychic abilities.
Q: (L) What is causing the lung cancer they are attributing to smoking?
A: Mental conditioning and subliminal programming to expect it.
Q: (L) So, it only happens if you are convinced that it can and must happen?
A: Correct.
Q: (L) Is there any particular brand of cigarettes to smoke?
A: No.

The above influence of mental conditioning as a factor in developing cancer may go with the importance of the next comment from the Cassiopaeans.

Q: (L) Okay, I wanted to ask a few things about the egroup. My idea has been that one of the main things that the group ought to be dealing with is how to learn to read when programs are activated around them. There are plenty of groups that can discuss politics and conspiracies and so on, but the real work on the self is quite a bit more difficult. I have been thinking that the most important thing we need to do is learn how to free our energy and increase our frequency thereby. Can you give any guidance about how to best go about this other than what we have already learned or what we are already doing? Any further guidance?
A: Help others to read programs in themselves.

About breast cancer

Q: (V) I listened to a woman named Janet Dailey who says that women who have abortions have a higher incidence of breast cancer but that spontaneous abortion or miscarriage do not cause the same reaction, is this true?
A: Yes. But women who have their first pregnancy later in life also have higher instances of breast cancer and same for those who never get pregnant.
Q: (V) Does abortion create karma resulting in breast cancer?
A: Hormonal anomalies cause breast cancer. Karma is interconnected with physical experiences.
Q: (L) Are you saying that having an abortion can create Karma?
A: Of course.
Q: (V) Is this research funded by pro-life activists?
A: Some.
Q: (L) I think that V***wants to ask if she has Karma in this regard?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) She has not worked it out?
A: No.
Q: (L) Bill Baldwin says abortions lead to serious spiritual attachment situations. Is this true?
A: Semi-accurate.
Q: (L) Is there some way to release this kind of karma for V*** or others who have it?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Could you tell us?
A: If we tell you, you won't learn.

Medical tests and cancer

Q: […] Is there any danger in medical tests using radioactive isotopes, either by mouth or injected? Any particular danger?
A: Only if repetitive.
Q: So, having them at intervals over the years is NOT gonna give a person brain cancer or whatever?
A: Effect is similar to the radioactive exposure one receives from smoking.

A cancer can be “blown out of proportion”

Q: Well, speaking of the Denver Airport, C**** may be going there soon because Samantha NOW has cancer to top off her lifetime of ongoing miseries. So, C**** may be going out there. So, she will be close. Any comments?
A: Then have C**** go to that airport, observe carefully, then report back her findings. Very important, because the murals there are directly connected to what you are studying carefully right now. Super clues to be found there, which can point to monstrous future plans of 4th density STS and much, much more. Be wary if C**** resists the idea... This means something! Obviously it is not a hardship for her. But strongly suggest you keep your findings to within the group!
Q: Well, then, is it safe to go? I mean, has Samantha suddenly developed this "condition" just to lure C**** out there? Does she really have as serious a condition as she says? Will she lose her nose?
A: It has been "blown out of proportion."
Q: Very cute! Well, I think that since C**** talked to her about her bad choices and she has had to admit that she is repeating these bad choices, that now she needs another excuse to perpetuate her choices, and that she can't otherwise complain about all these men being bad to her.
A: More or less.
Q: So, it could be a way of sustaining control of what SHE wants, while still getting sympathy?
A: Maybe.
Q: Is there any chance she will lose her nose?
A: No.
Q: Does she have cancer?
A: Yes. But, it is a good opportunity for C**** to observe the murals, the atmosphere of the airport, and report back.

I get exhausted traipsing through this site which is full of negative and snide opinions on anyone and everyone, yet never manages to really
get to the crux of anything.

A big disappointment.

It does take time to read all the news on SOTT and some of it is not supportive of a fragile (Positive Mental Attitude). But then one can also shift the attention as Erna and Ruth suggested on page one of this thread.

On Spirit board - Ouija Video Laura has compiled a long list of books, some of which most certainly are conducive for a PMA. Laura’s comments in that post bear repeating in the present context since

a deeper understanding of my life would perhaps be useful.

Here are the books that will be recommended as background material before one even attempts working on self-developmen via the board. It will be stressed that research reading is necessary and that results will only be commensurate with the state of the individual. You didn't think you were gonna get off easy, did you?

You will first of all need to fully understand your own mind and body as well as the many variations of other minds and bodies including negative individuals. I have certainly written about much of this already, but for the individual who wishes to go deeper - as I assume anyone who wishes to attempt such self-development as we are proposing here does - you must demonstrate this desire to the Universe by putting forth the effort to find answers in the available literature.
[…]
Keep in mind the maxim: as above, so below. Your best path for understanding the world of spirit, psyche, and psychology is to understand the material world as well as you can. You do not yet have to have mastered it, but you need to understand it as well as you can to demonstrate to the Universe that you have done your homework. There is no free lunch.

A good understanding of history in general, how our reality came to be what it is and where you fit into it is very useful:
[…]
The reason for emphasis on the history of religion is that you really need to disabuse yourself of the notion that there is anybody "out there" who is gonna haul your buns out of the fire. You need to know that it is your own spiritual state, your state of BEing, that is important. Certainly, this will mean that there are many individuals who ought never to undertake any such activity at all because they simply have no (or very little) consolidated psychic or psychological being or energy. Nevertheless, since so many individuals undertake psychic experimentation anyway, of a far more dangerous sort, I think that it is important for them to know exactly what the ramifications are. That will be well covered in the video.

Then, onto esoteric matters; You will need to understand a history and engagement in practices of esotericism thoroughly:

[…]
If you can find them in a library, try reading the many volumes of the Proceedings of the American Society for Psychical Research as well as the British Society for Psychical Research

As always, reading cases is useful. But you have to be careful here; a lot of books are written about cases that are just pure bunkum; "The Exorcist" is a case in point. Same with the story about Amytyville.

Most weirdnesses that happen in any psychic activity is due to the state of mind of the individual, that individual's psychology and state of psychological health. So, getting psychologically healthy to as great an extent as possible is your number one goal! Quite often, if approached correctly, using a board can help you.

To avoid any major problem I need to add that the above post is for inspirational value ONLY and is no substitute for traditional medical treatment.

If “Anonymous writer” reads this thread though, I wish her/him good recovery.

 

[Alana]

There's much beauty in this world, I take equal helpings of both. If you can't see the beauty, then you're also not "paying strict attention to objective reality right and left", as with the negative stuff.

I agree with this. I was thinking along these lines recently myself, that there is still beauty in the world, but one will be unable to see it unless they see what little spark of beauty is within themselves and start to grow it. And by beauty, i mean the good stuff within and around. And lots of this beauty is within other people who try to wake up in this world, who keep doing and going, no matter the circumstances, their lives' stories, the ugliness and darkness around. It's in searching and learning and sharing. It's in coming together with people with a common aim in sight, and working together. It is in taking responsibility of seeing within oneself the programs and hurts that prevent healing and development and taking action to changing them, instead of projecting them to others.

It is of course up to Anonymous whether she will choose to do this or not.

 

[thorbiorn]

What is sad is this person says they are battling cancer which Louise Hay says is related to "Deep hurt. Longstanding resentment. Deep secret or grief eating away at the self. Carrying hatreds." Then, he/she criticizes me for "full of negative and snide opinions on anyone and everyone, yet never manages to really get to the crux of anything."

I don't think I've ever seen a clearer case of projecting onto others what is in the self that must be denied and repressed.

Two more thoughts on this letter:

1. Thomas Digges in Emotion Anonymous: Are You Addicted To Negative Emotions?

All of us suffer from bouts of negative emotions. Some of us more frequently and deeply than others. It's not a matter of yes or no, it's a matter of "when and how much?" The question to ask yourself is: Are my negative emotions affecting my ability to create the life I want? If they are, you may want to consider a program designed to heal and integrate those emotions. Let's call it "emotion anonymous". This article will help you understand what you need to do break free of the cycle of negative emotional reaction.
[...]
Another way we avoid feeling our emotion is blame. We project these feelings onto other people or onto physical objects around us. This allows us to avoid what we are truly feeling and only delays experiencing something that is inevitably really happening inside us.

What I found innovative is the use of "addiction" in relation to "negative emotion". And (Ms./Mr.) "Anonymous" in relation to "negative addictive emotion", gave the association to the Alcoholics_Anonymous twelve step program; _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve-step_program (*), which in a modified form, might assist in the healing of negative emotions for people who are religiously inclined. It is a kind of religious psychotherapy and goes well with the idea, that prayers can heal.

2. The Anonymous reader might be overwhelmed, as I also sometimes am, by the non-uplifting but true news of receding economy and manipulative politicians posted on SOTT.
From another article by the same author: Social Evolution: Who Will Win the Battle for Your Mind?

Our survival mechanism fires up only when we perceive a threat to our survival. Unfortunately, we can perceive a threat when there is none. Our "sense of self" can seem to be threatened whenever we have strong associations to something and that "thing" is under any kind of perceived attack or threat. Cultural conditioning and parental programming when we are young causes our minds to "link" our survival and sense of self with specific ideas, beliefs and situations.

This "linking" is the problem and the cause of all fear and loathing.
[...]
The good news is that human change science has developed to the point where this "linking" can be undone. We can now free our minds from any type of conditioned emotional reactivity or irrational fear. There are several forms of this powerful transformative technology. Sometimes know as Emotional Clearing, Transformational Processing or Integrative Clearing Work. It is also called deconstructive contemplation and radical self inquiry.

Is there any major difference between reading programs in ourselves and undoing the linking?.

(*) foot note: Regarding the 12 step program one finds:

Bill Wilson the co-founder of Alcoholics Anonymous used the Ouija Board to contact spirits.[23] His wife said that he would get messages directly without even using the board.[24] For a while, his participation in AA was deeply affected by his involvement with the Ouija board. Wilson claimed that he received the twelve step method directly from a spirit without the board and wrote it down.[25]

 

[FireShadow]

My understanding is that Bill Wilson got the ideas for the 12 steps from a friend in the Oxford Group.  Reportedly it was a Christian Group.

Edit: Sorry, I forgot to mention that I got this information when I was a substance abuse counselor and in participation in a 12 step group.

 

[morgaine]

I feel some sympathy for why this person felt the need to write this to you, as I have sometimes felt that some words and actions in this forum have exceeded past the necessity of balancing out and cleaning up "noise".
It's been a part of my experience so far, feeling uncomfortable with how often the prospect of banning someone "who just doesn't get it" is met with such enthusiasm. I understand that this is a place for Truth, and that it is not the healthiest place for those who either "don't get it", want to argue about "it", or who just want to play devil's advocate.
But I've seen it happen numerous times, that someone who is genuinely interested in the content of this board but perhaps does not know the best way to articulate their interests (while including what they already know) to best express who they are and what, specifically, they mean, before getting banned for too much "noise" words included in their post.

It makes me think of the idea that one can read many, many books and get as far as they can with that solo medium, but unless they can bring those ideas into interaction with other Human Beings, a great deal of the experiential knowledge they could have had is lost.


I have never seen it stated in the C's material that it is an STO attribute for one individual to forbid access to a source of information to another individual.


The message that I've gotten from the C's is that if we are trying to evolve further into our Light selves, then we are to try to meet each confrontation with compassion, and are reaching for a conclusion for both parties where the least amount of harm is done unto either involved. I have also been disheartened by how often I see members of this board, following a ban upon someone, join together in brash comments about either the situation or the individual, in such ways as, "We're better off without you. We don't want you, we don't like you. There is no place for you here, You are useless."

I am open to the possibility that maybe I am just not evolved enough in The information and practice, but nowhere in my self does this feel right. Statements like that, aimed specifically at another human being, all justifications and tangible reasons aside, are just mean. I see a lot of this and could bring up examples if anyone needs them, but this more than anything is noise that is deluding the message and capabilities of this forum.

The reasons I see stated for why the majority of individuals are banned are, either, A) They have found this forum from a link from, say, Google, and don't understand what the forum and Cass material is really about, B) They are interested in some of the things that get mentioned here but are not knowledgeable enough to really contribute themselves (thus, when they try we get threads that are viewed as mainly "noise"), or C) They have a good grasp on the Cass material but are not yet familiar enough with how to best word what they truly believe, then, when being misunderstood, get confused and defensive.
Of course these are not the only reasons, but these are situations that I see happen often enough.

(To better explain instances like C), I'm referencing the times when I've seen the Mods say something to the effect of, "What they write is all I know of them and have to take that information as all that there is. If they provide more, I'll factor in more, but at the moment this is all I have to work from." This is a very good way to go about things, but on a forum discussing topics that, for the most part, only this forum does, it will usually take a person a little while to "get in the swing" with things and I feel a lot of the bans take place while people are still trying to get their footing here.)

I propose the idea that instead of banning individuals that fall into the B or C category, we instead create a new section for "Newbies" where we can go through that familiarization process with how this board works, without disallowing them access to the good information we help provide.

The Cass's have said many times for us to go out and experiment with each other. To go explore different options and situations while staying aware and finding answers. I just want to keep in perspective that although many of us have gotten this far already, that it was still a process for us and that there was a time when we probably would've been banned for saying the wrong thing, and wouldn't be able to contribute as we are today.

 

[anart]

While I've never seen anyone say anyone is useless on this forum (perhaps I missed it), it's unfortunate that you feel this is the case, or even a common mindset.  Moderation on a public forum is a very challenging task, keeping a balance and keeping the content as noise-free as possible for those who are actually here to learn and not to 'set the forum straight' or here with an agenda or just as a good old fashioned trolls.

The moderators of this board actually get quite consistent compliments on the job they do by those who appreciate the 'school' aspect of this forum and the environment provided in which to actually learn without unnecessary distraction, and while mistakes are occasionally made, they are not common, nor is the moderation task taken lightly in any way.  The task here is to approach an objective understanding of reality, not to make people more comfortable in their dream-state - and this is no small task.

I propose the idea that instead of banning individuals that fall into the B or C category, we instead create a new section for "Newbies" where we can go through that familiarization process with how this board works, without disallowing them access to the good information we help provide.

It is here -  http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?board=39.0  - and we're working on improvements to help those who are new to the forum.

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

I feel some sympathy for why this person felt the need to write this to you, as I have sometimes felt that some words and actions in this forum have exceeded past the necessity of balancing out and cleaning up "noise".
It's been a part of my experience so far, feeling uncomfortable with how often the prospect of banning someone "who just doesn't get it" is met with such enthusiasm.

I think "just doesn't get it" in the context of such actions means not interested to learn and network, as opposed to someone who doesn't know the material yet but is making honest efforts to learn and understand and respect the forum and its rules and goals. Of course, being mechanical we can't always question ourselves and our reactions, but that's where the "devil is in the details" comes in. As Anart said, mods have to basically decide what is appropriate and when, like when enough mirrors have been given and the person is simply not interested in anything but their own opinions.

Also, I think banning someone doesn't stop them from reading the forum, just writing on it, if its just banning their account and not their IP address.

I have also been disheartened by how often I see members of this board, following a ban upon someone, join together in brash comments about either the situation or the individual, in such ways as, "We're better off without you. We don't want you, we don't like you. There is no place for you here, You are useless."

I think what you perceive as brash comments are most often just critical analysis and observation of the situation and the person's behavior. I think you may have a "be nice" program running and perhaps are afraid that such critical analysis can hurt someone's "feelings"? But is that more important than the truth? Also, is it possible you are projecting - offering compassion for someone with no ability for compassion or empathy? The C's remind us to "pity those who pity", which I think means that compassion must be paired with Knowledge in order to be beneficial to us or others.

Maybe it would be helpful to look at and discuss some of the examples that you mentioned? I don't know if it would be better to discuss the examples in their respective thread or in this one. But either way, maybe that would help understand why certain actions were taken in those situations.

In addition to the newbies forum, we have the "baked noodles" section for when someone says something so wrong, it's not even wrong. :)

 

[Dick]

Just a quick comment, since I've been reading SOTT., and contact with the "C"'s, its completely changed my view of a lot of things, knowledge is the best defense for the STS.

If some of the articles are more straight foreward, then people want, it might be that its exactly what we need at the time.

My brother, sister, aunts, uncles died of cancer, which kept me asking why? Some of the lessons I've learned, have taught me many things about them and myself. All I can say is great job, Laura, SOTT., and the rest. keep it up. It keeps us sane.

 

[Windmill knight]

I have never seen it stated in the C's material that it is an STO attribute for one individual to forbid access to a source of information to another individual.

Hi morgaine, here is another of those 'devils in the details'. STO is meant to give ALL to anyone who asks. The problem is, who is really, sincerely asking? In other words, to ask without manipulation, without demanding, without pity ploys, without 'asking' for something while actually expecting to get something entirely different. That's very difficult to assess, and it's important because if you 'give' to someone who is manipulating (i.e. not really asking) then you are allowing a small abuse to take place, either by imposing something on someone who didn't really want it, or by allowing another to cheat you into doing that.

Sometimes people say they want to learn, but in reality they just want to have fun at the expense of others. Sometimes they say they want to share knowledge, but they really want to start an argument. Sometimes they are just seeking attention. Or they want to impose their point of view under the cover of a 'dialogue'. And sometimes their intentions are plain destructive.

Of course, we all are STS human beings, and to some extent we all want to get attention, or fun, or we prefer not be told that we are wrong. This is understandable and tolerable within reason. The difference is what you make with those tendencies: do you invest fully in manipulation and what you selfishly want, or do you make an honest effort to keep yourself 'checked and balanced' because the values of truth, sharing and learning are more important?

Then it's the task of the moderators to try to determine who is making which choice.

 

[Adaryn]

Hi Morgaine,

I feel some sympathy for why this person felt the need to write this to you, as I have sometimes felt that some words and actions in this forum have exceeded past the necessity of balancing out and cleaning up "noise".
It's been a part of my experience so far, feeling uncomfortable with how often the prospect of banning someone "who just doesn't get it" is met with such enthusiasm.

When I first joined the forum I sometimes felt like you and was uncomfortable when I saw some members being banned. I realised later, after observing the forum, the behaviour of certain members, etc., that the banning was for a good reason and that the mods , due to their experience as mods, banned the member based on what they saw and which I couldn't see at the time. Not saying mistakes can't happen, it can as we're just humans, but banning is never taken lightly and with enthusiasm.
There are people who don't get it because they just don't want to, they're too attached to their beliefs, views ; it's not a question of 'intelligence'. I don't view at all this forum as an 'elite forum' with all-knowing people. What we try to do is set up the best possible environment for serious, sincere people.
As SAO said, there's a difference between new members who don't quite know the material but are interested and are making efforts and want to learn, and those who are not interested in learning and sharing and just want to impose their views (often covertly). Often, these views are 'love and light' stuff, and though they advocate tolerance, empathy, etc. they can't stand different views and seek to impose theirs on this forum (whereas they could create their own forum or join another one closer to their beliefs).

The message that I've gotten from the C's is that if we are trying to evolve further into our Light selves, then we are to try to meet each confrontation with compassion, and are reaching for a conclusion for both parties where the least amount of harm is done unto either involved.

IMO, compassion doesn't mean giving the other cheek or "being nice" no matter what. It sometimes calls decisions which from the outside appear as "not nice" but which are based on an objective understanding of the situation. Not all people are sincere and mean well...

I have also been disheartened by how often I see members of this board, following a ban upon someone, join together in brash comments about either the situation or the individual, in such ways as, "We're better off without you. We don't want you, we don't like you. There is no place for you here, You are useless."

I don't remember ever reading such comments here as "we don't like you" or "we don't want you".

I propose the idea that instead of banning individuals that fall into the B or C category, we instead create a new section for "Newbies" where we can go through that familiarization process with how this board works, without disallowing them access to the good information we help provide.

As Anart pointed, the Newbies section was created so that the new members can ask questions and get introduced to the material, and start learning from there at their own pace before jumping in on other discussions (which they can still read and where they can still post too, of course).

The Cass's have said many times for us to go out and experiment with each other. To go explore different options and situations while staying aware and finding answers. I just want to keep in perspective that although many of us have gotten this far already, that it was still a process for us and that there was a time when we probably would've been banned for saying the wrong thing, and wouldn't be able to contribute as we are today.

I don't think people are banned for saying the "wrong" thing. It's their attitude which prevails - have they read the guidelines, do they respect the forum rules, are they open, are they making efforts to get up to speed?

 

[Oxajil]

Hi Morgaine,

I feel some sympathy for why this person felt the need to write this to you, as I have sometimes felt that some words and actions in this forum have exceeded past the necessity of balancing out and cleaning up "noise".
It's been a part of my experience so far, feeling uncomfortable with how often the prospect of banning someone "who just doesn't get it" is met with such enthusiasm.

When I first joined the forum I sometimes felt like you and was uncomfortable when I saw some members being banned. I realised later, after observing the forum, the behaviour of certain members, etc., that the banning was for a good reason and that the mods , due to their experience as mods, banned the member based on what they saw and which I couldn't see at the time. Not saying mistakes can't happen, it can as we're just humans, but banning is never taken lightly and with enthusiasm.
There are people who don't get it because they just don't want to, they're too attached to their beliefs, views ; it's not a question of 'intelligence'. I don't view at all this forum as an 'elite forum' with all-knowing people. What we try to do is set up the best possible environment for serious, sincere people.
As SAO said, there's a difference between new members who don't quite know the material but are interested and are making efforts and want to learn, and those who are not interested in learning and sharing and just want to impose their views (often covertly). Often, these views are 'love and light' stuff, and though they advocate tolerance, empathy, etc. they can't stand different views and seek to impose theirs on this forum (whereas they could create their own forum or join another one closer to their beliefs).

And may I add that 'newbies' should know that there are certain rules and that there is certain material to be read. Of course some of them might not know and jump right in and they will be offered the information etc. However some don't come to find information,ask for advice, discuss etc. but they come here because they think they could teach 'us' something. Or they want to know the opinion of this forum about several topics which are already covered, but are too lazy to search for it. Even if people are banned, which could be a mistake, these people can always find the Wave material or the books, and they can carry on on their own and if they choose one day to participate anyways, they could mail sott and ask to come back and to be unbanned. I'm not sure though, but I think it wouldn't be a problem, if the person is sincere.
Also Gurdjieff says something interesting about this:

That is one aspect. The other, as I have already said, consists in the fact that no one is concealing anything; there is no mystery whatever. But the acquisition or transmission of true knowledge demands great labor and great effort both of him who receives and of him who gives. And those who possess this knowledge are doing everything they can to transmit and communicate it to the greatest possible number of people, to facilitate people's approach to it and enable them to prepare themselves to receive the truth. But knowledge cannot be given by force to anyone and, as I have already said, an unprejudiced survey of the average man's life, of what fills his day and of the things he is interested in, will at once show whether it is possible to accuse men who possess knowledge of concealing it, of not wishing to give it to people, or of not wishing to teach people what they know themselves.

"He who wants knowledge must himself make the initial efforts to find the source of knowledge and to approach it, taking advantage of the help and indications which are given to all, but which people, as a rule, do not want to see or recognize. Knowledge cannot come to people without effort on their own part. They understand this very well in connection with ordinary knowledge, but in the case of great knowledge, when they admit the possibility of its existence, they find it possible to expect something different. Everyone knows very well that if, for instance, a man wants to learn Chinese, it will take several years of intense work; everyone knows that five years are needed to grasp the principles of medicine, and perhaps twice as many years for the study of painting or music. And yet there are theories which affirm that knowledge can come to people without any effort on their part, that they can acquire it even in sleep. The very existence of such theories constitutes an additional explanation of why knowledge cannot come to people. At the same time it is essential to understand that man's independent efforts to attain anything in this direction can also give no results.
A man can only attain knowledge with the help of those who possess it. This must be understood from the very beginning. One must learn from him who knows"

 

[Color]

I feel some sympathy for why this person felt the need to write this to you, as I have sometimes felt that some words and actions in this forum have exceeded past the necessity of balancing out and cleaning up "noise".
It's been a part of my experience so far, feeling uncomfortable with how often the prospect of banning someone "who just doesn't get it" is met with such enthusiasm. I understand that this is a place for Truth, and that it is not the healthiest place for those who either "don't get it", want to argue about "it", or who just want to play devil's advocate.
But I've seen it happen numerous times, that someone who is genuinely interested in the content of this board but perhaps does not know the best way to articulate their interests (while including what they already know) to best express who they are and what, specifically, they mean, before getting banned for too much "noise" words included in their post.

Hi Morgaine,

maybe if you try observe it from a different perspective - that each and every person is self-responsible for his own actions
and choices in life – it would be easier to understand. What's good in 'protecting' and indulging the sleep in someone,
who claims he/she is on a search for the Truth?

And why having so little faith into someone's will and determination to find the Truth?
Many of us here (probably all) had experienced painful mirrors and yet – here we are. It didn't stop us in our quest.
A person gets hurt or even angry when faced with his/her own illusions, and that's all understandable; but what a person
does with those feelings and received feedback - it's another story.

It's NOT the purpose or duty or intention of this forum and it's members to pet-talk that person right back into a sleep.
Shocks are often a necessary tool for waking up from one's inner, delusional, imaginary scenery - into the realm.
Now that IS the purpose and intention and the duty of this forum and related Cass/SOTT sites..

Personally, I've felt somewhat similar about this issue, in the begining of my search. I was abused while growing up
and had a strong repulsion for any form of even a slightly 'harsh' communication. It felt 'wrong' and 'mean'.
I'm still fighting the roots of that 'be nice' program, it causes a strong emotional reaction and guilt each time
I'm confronted with a task of being clear and to the point about some emotional issue. And that's the time
one has to remind herself about her own Aim. If working on yourself and finding out the Truth 'out and within' is your aim,
then your actions have to be based in that understanding. Your actions have to reflect that, cause otherwise,
it's just another dream about the love and light and the Truth.

Can you understand that difference from acting based purely in an inner consideration, based in programs,
beliefs and expectation of finding that same scenery exclusively, in the outside world?

One other, important thing to keep in mind is the extensiveness of the material available here,
and the effort Laura and Ark and other people put in it, through the years, without demanding
anything in return form you, or from me, or anybody...

Discussions going on this forum are based on that research and each and every time that is pointed
to new forum members. Every time. It's a huge difference than only talking about some 'mystical' things
and referring to it as a fact, while not providing the material and 'putting down' those who 'don't get it'..
That's why it makes no sense to pet-talk the person which steps into a discussion and repeatedly refuse
to explore the provided material and shows some effort in broadening his understanding, of this forum and
it's work - while at the same time demanding to be 'understood' and not questioned with his statements..

That's what gets some people banned. Do you still consider it a 'mean act'?

Alice

 

[knowledge_of_self]

Yup. And the Cs repeatedly say that personal issues don't really matter. That is STS.

Does that also mean that you should not even deal with personal issues? , because how can we clean our machine if personal issues are not dealt with or at least understood, because personal issues are also a part of being a machine, for example being very lazy or financial problems etc.

Or I am totally misunderstanding that sentence, if so my apologies.

Hello

I think that working on the self is a huge part of The Work. As the old saying goes “Know Thyself.” However, I think (and please correct me if I’m wrong) when it comes to channeld material such as the C’s work, it is crucial to have a balance in what you delve into in terms of internal research.

What I’m trying to say is, if you are conversing with sixth density beings (who are you in the future) it would most likely be of a much larger scale help to ask questions who benefit the many, and not just YOU. I think that’s what the C’s mean by “personal issues don't really matter. That is STS.”

Also, as the C’s say, knowledge protects. And imo you won’t learn much about yourself in the long run if they tell you every single detail about your personal life. Such as karmic lessons, and why things that happen, turn out the way that they do.

When it comes to personal issues, I think it really depends on the circumstances. In Anonymous’s case, he/she is dealing with cancer which is a hard lesson to go through. Therefore imo it is natural for us as STS beings to ask “why me?” That question can lead one down few paths; path of self pity and sorrow, or path of self-discovery and wonder.

If Anonymous chooses to, he can better understand his condition through research and self-discovery (easier said than done). I also think that in his case he’s chosen the path of sorrow, therefore the fact of him having cancer has put a huge block into him understanding the deeper side of things. Or rather causes him to stop looking at the big picture, osit.

One last thing, Morgaine, I can say as someone who has been through her share of “mirrors” on this forum, here I still am. I read the material and deeply appreciate the work that has gone into it. I’ve seen a LOT of people come and go through here and most of the people who get banned, it is not without good reason. I have also seen people be banned and after several months, be welcomed back to the group for a second chance to show that they have learned from the “mirror” shown to them. So as Alice said above,

person gets hurt or even angry when faced with his/her own illusions, and that's all understandable; but what a person does with those feelings and received feedback - it's another story.

I wholeheartedly agree. :)