A Message sent to me by Alexander Putney

[Soluna]

The problem is that the offer isn't genuine at all and all the red flags that have come up give that away: the purpose of alchemy isn't making gold, he could have just sent the book to Laura and Ark for review, he's charging $3,300 for a book (really??), he emailed Lisa after an article she wrote that was completely unrelated to gold, his entire email is full to the brim with word salad, he was banned here before, "ps. Sure, I channel my past life intuition and Billy is visited by ETs, but do these unusual sources of information deserve to be thrown out the window like the ouija board? I don't think so, I think they have a lot to offer us, as your group has shown."--a reason all on its own, etc. All of this is nonsense and does not show genuineness on Alex's part at all--it shows delusion. Have you read "The Wave" yet, Soluna?

Plain and simple--if you really could make gold, you'd never tell anyone how to do it because then the value of the gold you made would plummet--that's the whole point of gold. Or you might be assassinated.

And I'm not saying that it's not possible to make gold or to change metals or materials, I'm just saying there's currently zero evidence that this guy can do it and a large pile of evidence suggesting that he cant and even if he can, it's not really very useful to the work that we do here.

But I could be wrong and really all that would have to happen for that would be for Alex Putney to present his data in a clear and concise fashion for scientific scrutiny and experimental reproduction. However, if he does that, there really is little purpose for the process I imagine, because gold really isn't that useful to us here in 3D STS (that I'm aware of currently) except for being a fairly scarce resource that people currently pay a lot of money for.

I have read The Wave yes, and am working my way through The Secret History of the World now - I don't claim to have understood or absorbed everything I have read yet, and I imagine it will take some re-reads and research and a lot of self-reflection to come to increase my understanding, if only by a little.

I am aware - through reading and partially understanding some of the beginning chapters in The Secret World, that Alchemys aim is not the transmutation of metals - however, although this does seem to be one of the specific claims of Mr Putney, he does make some reference to it's biological(?) applications (I have no idea exactly what he means by this) - but it did make me consider the possibility that the transmutation of gold was not necessarily his 'end goal'.


Your comment - "Plain and simple--if you really could make gold, you'd never tell anyone how to do it because then the value of the gold you made would plummet--that's the whole point of gold. Or you might be assassinated"

I don't know about 'you' - but would the value of gold in the world today really make you hesitate to share the knowledge with others? I think perhaps at first, people would not believe that you could achieve this - so in order to make the knowledge credible you would need to share it with others who could confirm it's truth - and once the information was being shared and 'out there' it would be much harder to cover up and/or 'assassinate' the source.


Regardless, I do understand the possibility of 'good intentions', may not always have 'good' results. My opinion was that it 'seemed' a little abrupt for people interested in the sharing of knowledge and learning and researching, to suggest blocking someone who 'seemed' to want to share their knowledge if only to validate it, or indeed refute it.

 

[Z...]

Umm isn't this the same guy who claimed he is reincarnation of Nikola Tesla?

 

[anart]

I have read The Wave yes, and am working my way through The Secret History of the World now - I don't claim to have understood or absorbed everything I have read yet, and I imagine it will take some re-reads and research and a lot of self-reflection to come to increase my understanding, if only by a little.

I am aware - through reading and partially understanding some of the beginning chapters in The Secret World, that Alchemys aim is not the transmutation of metals - however, although this does seem to be one of the specific claims of Mr Putney, he does make some reference to it's biological(?) applications (I have no idea exactly what he means by this) - but it did make me consider the possibility that the transmutation of gold was not necessarily his 'end goal'.


Your comment - "Plain and simple--if you really could make gold, you'd never tell anyone how to do it because then the value of the gold you made would plummet--that's the whole point of gold. Or you might be assassinated"

I don't know about 'you' - but would the value of gold in the world today really make you hesitate to share the knowledge with others? I think perhaps at first, people would not believe that you could achieve this - so in order to make the knowledge credible you would need to share it with others who could confirm it's truth - and once the information was being shared and 'out there' it would be much harder to cover up and/or 'assassinate' the source.


Regardless, I do understand the possibility of 'good intentions', may not always have 'good' results. My opinion was that it 'seemed' a little abrupt for people interested in the sharing of knowledge and learning and researching, to suggest blocking someone who 'seemed' to want to share their knowledge if only to validate it, or indeed refute it.

Soluna, you are projecting and not seeing this situation as it is. So, try removing yourself and your projections from the situation and see if you can tell where the obvious lies are in this situation. When there are obvious (and long standing) lies, there is really no need to be "polite" about it and "give a second chance". It's all about reality. "Be nice programs" which you are running have nothing to do with reality.

 

[Iron]

The problem is that the offer isn't genuine at all and all the red flags that have come up give that away: the purpose of alchemy isn't making gold, he could have just sent the book to Laura and Ark for review, he's charging $3,300 for a book (really??), he emailed Lisa after an article she wrote that was completely unrelated to gold, his entire email is full to the brim with word salad, he was banned here before, "ps. Sure, I channel my past life intuition and Billy is visited by ETs, but do these unusual sources of information deserve to be thrown out the window like the ouija board? I don't think so, I think they have a lot to offer us, as your group has shown."--a reason all on its own, etc. All of this is nonsense and does not show genuineness on Alex's part at all--it shows delusion. Have you read "The Wave" yet, Soluna?

Plain and simple--if you really could make gold, you'd never tell anyone how to do it because then the value of the gold you made would plummet--that's the whole point of gold. Or you might be assassinated.

And I'm not saying that it's not possible to make gold or to change metals or materials, I'm just saying there's currently zero evidence that this guy can do it and a large pile of evidence suggesting that he cant and even if he can, it's not really very useful to the work that we do here.

But I could be wrong and really all that would have to happen for that would be for Alex Putney to present his data in a clear and concise fashion for scientific scrutiny and experimental reproduction. However, if he does that, there really is little purpose for the process I imagine, because gold really isn't that useful to us here in 3D STS (that I'm aware of currently) except for being a fairly scarce resource that people currently pay a lot of money for.

I have read The Wave yes, and am working my way through The Secret History of the World now - I don't claim to have understood or absorbed everything I have read yet, and I imagine it will take some re-reads and research and a lot of self-reflection to come to increase my understanding, if only by a little.

I am aware - through reading and partially understanding some of the beginning chapters in The Secret World, that Alchemys aim is not the transmutation of metals - however, although this does seem to be one of the specific claims of Mr Putney, he does make some reference to it's biological(?) applications (I have no idea exactly what he means by this) - but it did make me consider the possibility that the transmutation of gold was not necessarily his 'end goal'.


Your comment - "Plain and simple--if you really could make gold, you'd never tell anyone how to do it because then the value of the gold you made would plummet--that's the whole point of gold. Or you might be assassinated"

I don't know about 'you' - but would the value of gold in the world today really make you hesitate to share the knowledge with others? I think perhaps at first, people would not believe that you could achieve this - so in order to make the knowledge credible you would need to share it with others who could confirm it's truth - and once the information was being shared and 'out there' it would be much harder to cover up and/or 'assassinate' the source.


Regardless, I do understand the possibility of 'good intentions', may not always have 'good' results. My opinion was that it 'seemed' a little abrupt for people interested in the sharing of knowledge and learning and researching, to suggest blocking someone who 'seemed' to want to share their knowledge if only to validate it, or indeed refute it.

I think you are projecting your values and your wishes for the good that you think such knowledge would bring, and in doing that you are disregarding all the backstory involving this person.
If you knew how to make gold, and spread the knowledge, the price of gold would plummet. You would do no good, zero good, because gold would be as valuable as common dirt. The value of gold resides in its rarity.

EDIT: Sorry for the redundance, I did not see Anart's post.

 

[Soluna]

Thank you for the helpful comments.

I think regardless of how wrong my opinions were, it has ultimately helped me by sharing them as it has allowed me to receive your advice. Brooding on my opinions certainly would not have helped in the same way. A part of me is feeling this may be selfish - there is still so much to learn.

 

[Foxx]

I think regardless of how wrong my opinions were, it has ultimately helped me by sharing them as it has allowed me to receive your advice. Brooding on my opinions certainly would not have helped in the same way. A part of me is feeling this may be selfish - there is still so much to learn.

That it helped you is what matters :). And it's why sharing with the network, even when you're wrong, is helpful--it helps you learn and it helps others learn. Other people may have been thinking the same thing as you and just not responded with their similar thoughts and they may have learned from this situation. Or so I think.

I don't know about 'you' - but would the value of gold in the world today really make you hesitate to share the knowledge with others? I think perhaps at first, people would not believe that you could achieve this - so in order to make the knowledge credible you would need to share it with others who could confirm it's truth - and once the information was being shared and 'out there' it would be much harder to cover up and/or 'assassinate' the source.

If you haven't done so already, you may find it interesting to do some research into market manipulation, gold manipulation, and fiat currencies. I don't know if gold has some kind of secret uses that the public isn't aware of, but as far as I know gold has very limited uses in reality and so people thinking it has value is just another form of hypnosis (I think the actual logic used is probably along the lines of "it's valuable because it's valuable") as far as I'm aware.

 

[meta-agnostic]

Indeed, hasn't it been posted elsewhere on the forum that silver has more abundant uses than gold? So even if this process did work, wouldn't you be taking a more useful metal and turning it into a more useless one? A metal with an arbitrarily high historical value due to rarity, shininess and non-reactivity but still more useless. And what good would that ultimately do?

 

[Navigator]

This reminded me about David Hudson's Monoatomic Gold mentioned in The Wave chapter 30:

[quote author=Laura]For those of you who aren’t aware of what this is, a man named David Hudson “discovered” a substance that seemed to be exactly what many alchemical texts were talking about in terms of the “White Powder of Gold” that was not only the agent of transmutation for metals, but also for the human body. His claim was that taking this powder acted on the DNA in such a way as to effect a rapid and amazing healing and perfecting of the human body so that one was “spiritualized” to such an extent that superpowers were not only possible, but probable. At one point in his talk, he said that some people who had taken this powder over a period of time had described having “whole body orgasms” that just went on and on.

The gist of the reason for the video lecture was to raise money. That sort of bothered me, but it was awhile before I figured out exactly why. I wrote down some questions about the David Hudson work in my notes as follows:

1. Why, after spending purportedly 5.5 million dollars to isolate and attempt to patent Monoatomic Gold, has David Hudson’s obsession for knowledge suddenly stopped short of self-experimentation? (I know, he says his wife won’t let him, but that begs the question with something like what he claims to have discovered, especially if he is as convinced of what it is as he claims to be and is trying to “sell the public” on it.)

2. If David Hudson possesses the “Philosopher’s Stone” why is he asking for money? The literature tells us that one part in one hundred thousand will transmute base metals into gold. Doesn’t it work?

3. If The Secret Masters have existed these many thousands of years with the knowledge and use of this substance, and if they have kept it a continual secret, assassinating, if necessary, entire groups of people to protect the secret, why is it suddenly being allowed out now?

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