A mountain of meat blocking my way back…?

[Miss.K]

From my understanding, fruit is all sugar. Cutting the amount you eat in half was meant as a way for you to take a small step towards being able to eliminate it completely. I used to love fruit too, and once I learned that it really wasn't good for me because of all the sugars, I started slowly cutting my consumption down. Like the mushrooms, I now do not miss fruit.

I think lemons are very low on carbs, so safe (one won´t usually consume a lot anyways) , and coconut I think I read is a fruit too, and is the only plant food to have saturated fat, so good for ketogenic diet. but most fruit (specially nowadays) have way too much sugar.

 

[Solie123]

Don't forgot avacado! Also extremely high ain saturated fat, and it's also a fruit.

 

[Moonbird]

Good points Miss.K and Solie123.

Thanks!

 

[Renaissance]

My transition back to eating meat again will not be so smooth as yours, unfortunately – my head having been messed with by a guru’s “wisdom?” for more than two decades, for instance the serious karmic debt I will have to repay in my next lives, as even purchasing meat is as serious a crime as if I wielded the knife to kill the animal myself. One has thus to get over being considered a “murderer” when eating meat.

The information in the Vegetarian Myth will help with this too. There's pretty much no way out of being a part of the life cycle. Most diets rely on agriculture whether it is vegetarianism or standard diets, and that has caused immense destruction to the earth and wiped out entire ecosystems, so no ones hands are clean in that regard. At least with eating meats from sustainable farms we can contribute back to the earth in some way. Keith goes into this in more detail, so it's definitely worth the read if you're having trouble on this issue.

 

[Konstantin]

I think you are on the right track Ynna.
If you are aware of all programming, if you are are aware of all lies, like vegetarianism , then you have made one huge step. Like Gurdjief and the Cs said it needs an extra efforts. And nobody can do the work alone. You need people who have already been through that, who will be something like an mirror and will show you all your mistake on that way. They will be your navigation on that way. But the efforts, extreme efforts must be your. So post here about how are you feeling and what you think , and what are you doing on that way like everybody here on this forum. Network with other people and learn. Results will be there for sure.
I wish you all the best

 

[Keyhole]

Actually putting the tiniest sliver of meat into my mouth and then swallowing it without gagging…

I really do have a problem here.

Is there someone else who is struggling with these same difficulties, or who has successfully removed this block? – then I would really like to know that method.

Hi Ynna. I was vegetarian (almost vegan) for about 14 years from the age of around 5 years old. In my experience, when I imagined putting meat into my mouth I convinced myself that I would gag (and I truly believed this).

Facing the reality of the situation can be very difficult, it takes some time and the acquisition of knowledge will help remove the programmes. I can honestly say that the difficulty I faced when attempting to transition was purely an emotional one, primarily an identification with animals and animal life on earth. A lack of understanding and an attempt to fight the "consciousness must feed off other forms of conciousness" aspect of reality was the hardest part. However the books and threads that have been recommended really helped :) Eating sustainable meat, which has had a happy life is really the best thing that we can do for the earth and our bodies.

When I first began, I started off with bacon, just one piece on a plate with the rest of my vegetables. Cut up into really small pieces and mixed around with everything. That way it wasn't like I was eating pure meat, and sometimes I couldn't even tell there was bacon mixed in. Yet psychologically I gradually became accustomed with the idea of eating meat :) I understand that it feels daunting at first, but it may not actually be as bad as anticipated. Eventually it will become easier and easier, and you always have the network to share how you are progressing and if there are any trouble you face along the way :)

What you may like to do is say thank you to the animal that has given its life in order to feed you properly and help you evolve. Each time I sat down to eat I would say something like this and it helped alot:
Dear Mr Pig, I would like to thank you from the bottom of my heart for the precious gift of life that you have given - in order for me live a healthy life and to provide me with the tools I need to be able to evolve consciously and help others. I will cherish every mouthful of the meat that you have offered, and I am deeply grateful. Thankyou

Hope this helps!

I wish you the best of luck Ynna :)

 

[Tui]

Thank you, Konstantin, I very much appreciate your advice and support. I am sure that I will eventually - perhaps even soon! - be ready to switch to the meat diet, as I am beginning to feel the deep stirrings that the Ketogenic Diet is the right way, so I will push with the effort.

 

[Tui]

Keyhole, thank you so much for your reply, I do appreciate your support. And hearing that you were a vegetarian from the age of 5, makes me realise that there are other people here that had more conditioning than I had, as I took a conscious decision at the age of 33 to becoming a vegetarian, whereas you had no choice and that it thus must have been even more difficult for you to let go of your conditioning. All I need to do, is take another conscious decision again. Thank you for that insight you brought me.

I used to like bacon, and I think that is how I will switch over, having it the way you suggested, with vegetables. Thank you for this advice. Bacon also has a better aroma than other cooked meats, at least for me at present.

Yes, I will most definitely thank the animal giving its life to feed me and keeping me healthy. This is also something that the Kalahari San people do - they are one of the last hunter-gatherer societies in the world. Before hunting, they have a ceremony thanking the animal about to be killed for offering its life as food to them.

When I was young, long before I became a vegetarian, I stopped eating tomatoes for years after researchers found that tomatoes "screamed" when one bites into it. So, yes, all life has consciousness and in the end it seems we cannot avoid feeding on life and consciousness.

 

[Foxx]

Thank you, Konstantin, I very much appreciate your advice and support. I am sure that I will eventually - perhaps even soon! - be ready to switch to the meat diet, as I am beginning to feel the deep stirrings that the Ketogenic Diet is the right way, so I will push with the effort.

I'm another converted vegan (previously of 4 years, but I returned to eating meat about 4 years ago) and it was a hard transition for me. I was reading SOTT on a regular basis and mostly ignored the articles being posted in support of meat eating, then gradually started peaking at them, then started considering the idea (this was a year long process or so), then went wheat and soy free, then finally took the plunge. The thing that I eventually I decided to do when trying meat was to do it as an experiment; I wasn't changing who I was and I could stop at any time if I decided I wanted to and I wasn't a bad person for eating meat, I was just doing an experiment to see what the results were. I think sometimes it's easier to think of making a major change as an experiment, rather than changing who you are or permanently giving up something (like going gluten free, for example).

The other thing, if you didn't enjoy the taste of meat before (if this wasn't already brought up), is that you were probably eating poor quality meat before that is full of various types of toxins, lacks nutrition, and tastes bad. High quality pastured meats from local farms are completely different and taste delicious because they lack the toxins and have an abundance of high quality nutrients.

I also usually bring up this article about mammal metabolism, the shrinking gut, and the expanding brain any time someone's thinking about switching from being a veggie to a meatie:

_http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/low-carb-library/are-we-meat-eaters-or-vegetarians-part-ii/

Good luck Ynna! :)

 

[Tui]

Foxx, what an excellent idea, quote:

"The thing that I eventually I decided to do when trying meat was to do it as an experiment; I wasn't changing who I was and I could stop at any time if I decided I wanted to and I wasn't a bad person for eating meat, I was just doing an experiment to see what the results were. I think sometimes it's easier to think of making a major change as an experiment, rather than changing who you are or permanently giving up something"

I'm getting the whole modus operandi together, thanks to all the advice and encouragement I am receiving here.

Step 1: Decide that I am going to do an experiment.
Step 2: Choose a day when I had a good night's rest and feel positive and good, the sun is out with a warm golden sheen.
Step 3: Go buy some bacon - I can't buy meat beforehand, only on a "good day".
Step 4: Set a beautiful table, with linen and silverware and a crystal goblet filled with pure (distilled water) and another one with flowers, a fresh breeze blowing, birds chirping.
Step 5: Cook a tiny bit of bacon and mix it with vegetables.
Step 6: Thank the animal for feeding me and keeping me healthy.
Step 7: Take a bite...

I think if I do it this way, surrounded by tranquility, harmony and peace, perhaps I can do it...

And thank you for the happy little icon cheering me on.

 

[Miss.K]

The other thing, if you didn't enjoy the taste of meat before (if this wasn't already brought up), is that you were probably eating poor quality meat before that is full of various types of toxins, lacks nutrition, and tastes bad. High quality pastured meats from local farms are completely different and taste delicious because they lack the toxins and have an abundance of high quality nutrients.

Hear hear! I remember the first time after changing diet, that I got really good meat from a happy unpoisoned pig, and it tasted like a whole other animal, like an icecream cake animal or something. It was impossible not to make mmmm sounds while eating it.

 

[Eboard10]

The other thing, if you didn't enjoy the taste of meat before (if this wasn't already brought up), is that you were probably eating poor quality meat before that is full of various types of toxins, lacks nutrition, and tastes bad. High quality pastured meats from local farms are completely different and taste delicious because they lack the toxins and have an abundance of high quality nutrients.

Hear hear! I remember the first time after changing diet, that I got really good meat from a happy unpoisoned pig, and it tasted like a whole other animal, like an icecream cake animal or something. It was impossible not to make mmmm sounds while eating it.

Yep, same here. When I first tried the meat from a local butcher, the taste was completely different to what I was accustomed to at the time.

Fast forward to when I had already gone Keto, I remember going to the supermarket to buy some plain meat since the butchers were closed during the festive period and it almost felt like eating plastic to the point that I actually got sick. Ever since then, I have been very careful about what I buy in stores.

 

[Keyhole]

The other thing, if you didn't enjoy the taste of meat before (if this wasn't already brought up), is that you were probably eating poor quality meat before that is full of various types of toxins, lacks nutrition, and tastes bad. High quality pastured meats from local farms are completely different and taste delicious because they lack the toxins and have an abundance of high quality nutrients.

Hear hear! I remember the first time after changing diet, that I got really good meat from a happy unpoisoned pig, and it tasted like a whole other animal, like an icecream cake animal or something. It was impossible not to make mmmm sounds while eating it.

Yep, same here. When I first tried the meat from a local butcher, the taste was completely different to what I was accustomed to at the time.

Fast forward to when I had already gone Keto, I remember going to the supermarket to buy some plain meat since the butchers were closed during the festive period and it almost felt like eating plastic to the point that I actually got sick. Ever since then, I have been very careful about what I buy in stores.

Me also. Grassfed beef and pasture fed pork have their own texture and flavour and are delicious. Whenever I have had to go out for meals with family and eat supermarket cheap meat it usually tastes like rubber. Yuck. It is important to know that the animal has had a long, happy life :)

 

[Seaniebawn]

A: No not exactly. When humankind "fell" into gross matter, a way was needed to return. This way simply is a manifestation of the natural laws. Consciousness must "eat" also. This is a natural function of the life giving nature of the environment in balance. The Earth is the Great Mother who gives her body, literally, in the form of creatures with a certain level of consciousness for the sustenance of her children of the cosmos. This is the original meaning of those sayings.

Q: (L) So, eating flesh also means eating consciousness which accumulates, I'm assuming is what is being implied here, or what feeds our consciousness so that it grows in step with our bodies? Is that close?

A: Close enough.

Q: (Ailen) And when you eat veggies you're basically eating a much lower level of consciousness. (L) Not only that, but in a sense you're rejecting the gift and you're not feeding consciousness. And that means that all eating of meat should be a sacrament.

A: Yes

That quote from the C's remind me of what Don Juan said in journey to ixtlan

The art of a hunter is to become inaccessible. In the case of that blond girl it would've meant that you have to become a hunter and meet her sparingly. Not the way you did. You stayed with her day after day until the only feeling that remained was boredom. True?

To be inaccessible means that you touch the world around you sparingly. You don't eat five quail; you eat one. You don't damage the plants just to make a barbecue pit. You don't expose yourself to the power of the wind unless it is mandatory. You don't use and squeeze people until they have shriveled to nothing, especially the people you love.

To be unavailable means that you deliberately avoid exhausting yourself and others. It means that you are not hungry and desperate, like the poor bastard that feels he will never eat again and devours all the food he can, all five quail.

A hunter knows he will lure game into his traps over and over again, so he doesn't worry. To worry is to become accessible, unwittingly accessible. And once you worry

you cling to anything out of desperation; and once you cling you are bound to get exhausted or to exhaust whoever or whatever you are clinging to.

To be inaccessible does not mean to hide or to be secretive. It doesn't mean that you cannot deal with people either. A hunter uses his world sparingly and with tenderness, regardless of whether the world might be things or plants, or animal, or people, or power. A hunter deals intimately with his world and yet he is inaccessible to that same world.

He is inaccessible because he's not squeezing his word out of shape. He taps it lightly, stays for as long as he needs to, and then swiftly moves away leaving hardly a mark.

Don Juan reminds me of gurdjieff lite, I must read those books again. I've been Paleo for around 3 year's now, and i sort of just fell into it, I was living in Australia at the time and was eating a lot of meat, mostly all meat I can't imagine it was grass fed though, but the thing is though, I only felt hungry once a day even then sometimes I wouldn't eat for three day's with no hunger pain's and still have load's of energy and never felt tired, lost load's of weight too, I didn't think much of it at the time, and to be honest when left to my own devices, meaning cooking my own food ;D I sort of naturally fall into that rhythm, it wasn't until I started reading about it, I actually had a name for it i.e ketosis/paleo

 

[Tui]

Thanks for the advice about buying only the very best organic meat, to ensure that it will be tasty and nutritious.

Seaniebawn says no hunger pains sometimes for three days after eating meat - I like that. I do not really enjoy cooking very much - one reason why I like eating fruit!

I've been wondering about grilled meat - it tastes better than boiled meat, as I recall. But what about carcinogens - I read somewhere that grilling any kind of food (even toasting bread or roasting vegetables) is unhealthy and can cause cancer?