Roland J. Prather
Jedi
Well If this is appropriate on this forum: May this help in your time of shyness from which you see as unpleasant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEjDvPJNKQE
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andi
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Roland JP said:
Haha! Actually I love Phil Collins, good pick thanks -through this thread is not really about me. ;)
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andi
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Roland JP said:
JP, can you expand a little more on what you mean by the above. Thanks.
Roland J. Prather
Jedi
ofcourse not its for all: We gain strength, and courage, and confidence by each experience in which we really stop to look fear in the face... we must do that which we think we cannot.
Eleanor Roosevelt
Eleanor Roosevelt
Roland J. Prather
Jedi
Andi, sure:
Albert Einstein when asked what he considered to be the most powerful force in the universe answered: Compound interest! What you have become is the price you paid to get what you used to want.
Mignon McLaughlin
Concern for man and his fate must always form the chief interest of all technical endeavors. Never forget this in the midst of your diagrams and equations.
Albert Einstein
;)
Albert Einstein when asked what he considered to be the most powerful force in the universe answered: Compound interest! What you have become is the price you paid to get what you used to want.
Mignon McLaughlin
Concern for man and his fate must always form the chief interest of all technical endeavors. Never forget this in the midst of your diagrams and equations.
Albert Einstein
;)
Roland J. Prather
Jedi
Want to know a secret? 
Roland J. Prather
Jedi
kind of
Roland J. Prather
Jedi
just information something that may help in the future. REMINDER FROM THE PAST~
Roland J. Prather
Jedi
it's simple actually. There was a question ask.
Just chiming in, thanks for working through this andi and others, too. When you responded to Dawn here:
[quote author=andi]
Yep. And once a lie is accepted, because it passes undetected, then more lies get tangled in without us being aware of them( like the snow ball effect. ) -thus feeding our selfs with more and more lies believing we are holding truth thus creating what G calls crystallization on the wrong foundation and what Muravieff calls absorbing A influences believing we are actually absorbing B influences.[/quote]
This made me think about perhaps why any of us are here and what we’ve likely encountered in our individual lives – “the wrong foundations”, lies, system lies, historical lies, internal lies; all since we were children. How did we get here, to the forum, asking for help? Is this because something cracked open incrementally in the lies we heard and those we told ourselves all those years, finding it impossible to navigate the world of truths and inner acknowledgement on our own; and it still continues, but knowing, putting trust in others that are listening, sure does help. And your right, if I get what your saying, that finding the initial courage to say, or admit the inner workings of our internal machinery, when and why we don't listen or gloss over things being said, and asking, accepting feedback is not easy, especially before the forum, but made all the more critical now that we are here, osit.
This leads into what Possibility of Being linked; Jacob Needleman
[quote author=Possibility of Being link]
Reading is similar to listening: either you are open to the other person or you are only looking for confirmation of what you already know, rejecting/ignoring everything else. Alternatively, it can be looking for a way to defend yourself or your take on things. It's basically being the center of the universe. So it is understandable you have to cover it up somehow, i.e. you have to lie to yourself.
As I wrote in another thread, Jacob Needleman talks about listening quite a bit. Although he means mainly situations when one person passionately disagrees with the other, I think his point and exercises he offers are still valid in other cases. You may enjoy watching this YouTube video: Why Bother Listening to Opinions You Disagree With?
Added: Just found a description of that Needleman's lecture posted by Approaching Infinity here.
[/quote]
It was amusing in away that when I linked to this, could hardly here Mr. Needleman talk, despite the volume being at maximum. Had to put my ear to the laptop speaker to really listen - and when he talked about listening to people, similarly to reading/listening to what people write, their thoughts; how our listening seems to be like a filter of our own thoughts, which is what is often heard, drowning out the other without really listening at all.
Anyway, big thank you for the link PoB and to you andi for the awareness to ask.
[quote author=andi]
Yep. And once a lie is accepted, because it passes undetected, then more lies get tangled in without us being aware of them( like the snow ball effect. ) -thus feeding our selfs with more and more lies believing we are holding truth thus creating what G calls crystallization on the wrong foundation and what Muravieff calls absorbing A influences believing we are actually absorbing B influences.[/quote]
This made me think about perhaps why any of us are here and what we’ve likely encountered in our individual lives – “the wrong foundations”, lies, system lies, historical lies, internal lies; all since we were children. How did we get here, to the forum, asking for help? Is this because something cracked open incrementally in the lies we heard and those we told ourselves all those years, finding it impossible to navigate the world of truths and inner acknowledgement on our own; and it still continues, but knowing, putting trust in others that are listening, sure does help. And your right, if I get what your saying, that finding the initial courage to say, or admit the inner workings of our internal machinery, when and why we don't listen or gloss over things being said, and asking, accepting feedback is not easy, especially before the forum, but made all the more critical now that we are here, osit.
This leads into what Possibility of Being linked; Jacob Needleman
[quote author=Possibility of Being link]
Reading is similar to listening: either you are open to the other person or you are only looking for confirmation of what you already know, rejecting/ignoring everything else. Alternatively, it can be looking for a way to defend yourself or your take on things. It's basically being the center of the universe. So it is understandable you have to cover it up somehow, i.e. you have to lie to yourself.
As I wrote in another thread, Jacob Needleman talks about listening quite a bit. Although he means mainly situations when one person passionately disagrees with the other, I think his point and exercises he offers are still valid in other cases. You may enjoy watching this YouTube video: Why Bother Listening to Opinions You Disagree With?
Added: Just found a description of that Needleman's lecture posted by Approaching Infinity here.
[/quote]
It was amusing in away that when I linked to this, could hardly here Mr. Needleman talk, despite the volume being at maximum. Had to put my ear to the laptop speaker to really listen - and when he talked about listening to people, similarly to reading/listening to what people write, their thoughts; how our listening seems to be like a filter of our own thoughts, which is what is often heard, drowning out the other without really listening at all.
Anyway, big thank you for the link PoB and to you andi for the awareness to ask.
Roland J. Prather
Jedi
Courage is a kind of salvation.
Plato
Plato
