Advice needed - reoccurring OBE:s

Hi Aragorn,
The below is a classic fibromyalgia symptom at least from what I have read about it.

After that I woke up, in real, and opened my eyes. My skin was crawling, like an electrical current was flowing. I sometimes get this crawling sensation when I sense "bad energies" present.
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Twitching and jerking of the arms and/or legs is too. Could your "dream" be a way for your mind to deal with those sorts of symptoms at night? Not to disregard the possible inner struggle or our hyperdimensional friends. ;)

Also, Louise Hay, in her Heal Your Body book stays that problems with the arms represent the capacity and ability to hold the experiences of life. fwiw
 
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"So anyway, a few months ago I started having these "miniature" out of body experiences at night. They don't come every night - maybe once or twice in a week. I sort of hover a couple of inches above my body and can see perfectly clearly the room and everything around me. "


From my personal experience and prospective, what you have described is perfectly normal, in my view.
We tend to see our world in 3D physical, absent of the knowledge, that we're multi-layered and more than our physical body. We also have an energy body and force field around us. Think of the work in Kirlian photography and electrical coronal discharges, as an example.

In my early years, I would awaken and peek into my Parent's bedroom to see if they were up yet. I would notice a misty light shadow a few feet above my Mother, my Father's was closer to his body. My little Brother's was located, higher above his body when he was sound asleep. I just excepted it as being normal and a part of my little World. This awareness presented a problem as I got older.

My Parent's were complete opposites, with my Mother, as a strong psychopathic Representative. She had a habit of administering harsh physical discipline (deserving or not) just as a reminder of her "authority." It wasn't if you did anything considered wrong in her eyes but based on her mood. When she would get into those moods, she would cast a brownish tint around her. If something really "ticked" her off into an internal rage, a funny burnt orange would be inter mixed with the shades of brown. On one occasion, she ordered me to stand in front of her .... and I refused (first ever occurrence). For a moment, she stood still and then "all hell broke loose." She looked like a volcano erupting with spikes of oranges and brown hues intermixed with dark burnt red. The visual was more frighting, then the beating she administered. I was 9 at the time. The next morning, she sent me to school with the same clothing on. My homeroom Teacher noticed something and called upon the School Nurse, then the Principle - for I had promised not to divulge what had happened. To make a long story short, my Mother was escorted out of our home by 2 Police Officers. It was several years before she joined the family again. Soon after, my Father passed away of a heart attack, actually two weeks before JFK was assassinated.

My Paternal Grandmother had a great understanding of what I was experiencing and could relate to what I described to her. Being young, I never considered "asking" how she knew what she did or how she was able to relate to my experiences? She did explain, that the form I observed above my father, being close to his body was due to ill health (his heart condition - he died at 43). That the color's I observed in my Mother would also be intertwined within my Father's color scheme - due to ill health. Those that were more robust in health and demeanor would display brighter theme's, with some color's dominating in the pastel range. In those, the form would be observed higher above the body, due to the emitting energy patterns.

At the time, I was satisfied with her explanation but still confused, for she instructed that "what I was observing was for my own council and my own discernment." A talent given for my own protection and should be kept to myself. In Slavian, she called it a tool.

I don't know if the visual I experienced that day, of my Mother, combined with her harsh discipline, along with the trauma of her being removed from our home and related long absence had in surpressing the so called "talent", for afterwards, it was only observed on rare occasions. Which is the condition, up to the present.

I reason, the form observed or experienced directly above and hoovering over the body is an energy version of the physical. If you are able to observe the form and look closely, you will notice a glistering silver/platinum colored pulsating cord attached between the body and the form above. Any loud noice in the room will immediately retract the form back into the body. I was adviced, this was the reason NOT to startle anyone sleeping but to call their name gently, several times until they awoke. To do otherwise would send an electrial surge through the body, knocking off the heart rhythm. In my Father's condition, it could lead to a heart attack. A younger person could go into shock, or so claimed by my Grandmother.

My Grandmother was from the Old Country and considered herself, just a peasent but the woman was wise beyond her years and a walking treasure trove of knowledge. I lost her shortly after my Father died. Both left a huge void in my life and a lost opportunity to learn more from them. As for my Mother, screaming Demon's never rest. Even separated from her, she still affected me. The only thing I ever learned from her, was how to try an avoid her, which I would imagine, was the "lesson."

I can only speculate, for I have no hard evidence, other than limited experience but the "reel me in" feeling may be the energy interaction between the astral form and the physical body, for they're both living energy (connected) but in different forms/dimensions. To consciously wake up in the astral body or form seems to indicate an arousal in one part while the other (physical) - remains unconscious. Since it's energy connected, interacting with another part of "self" to experience entities or "critters" would be an outside force. The opposite state would be temporary physical paralysis while the body/brain remained unconscious. (?)

As for the feeling of "drag me away/up" it's a natural state of what is described in astral travel. Being able to "see" clearly everything around you is refered to as the "Mirror World." Robert Monroe has written extensively on the astral body and astral travel plus forms of spiritual protection. To break the experience of flight, you mentally "Will" yourself back into the body. Ask and it shall be granted.
 
Correction: The opposite state would be temporary physical paralysis while the body/brain remained partially unconscious, prior to full consciousness.
 
From my personal experience and prospective, what you have described is perfectly normal, in my view.
We tend to see our world in 3D physical, absent of the knowledge, that we're multi-layered and more than our physical body. We also have an energy body and force field around us. Think of the work in Kirlian photography and electrical coronal discharges, as an example.
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Hi angelburst29, what you describe has piqued my interest. I'm curious, does what you see look like what they photograph using Kirlian photography, or does it look like something different? I hope you don't mind me asking.

I'm interested because of the discussion going on over at this thread Human Energy Fields, by Colin Ross (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,31777.0.html). I think that if what you see looks similar to the EM fields of people, then it shows, more or less scientifically, that human perception isn't limited to the senses of the daily world.
 
Hi Archaea, thanks for pointing out the thread. I wasn't aware of it and will check it out.

As for your quote, "I'm curious, does what you see look like what they photograph using Kirlian photography, or does it look like something different? I hope you don't mind me asking."

I suggested Kirlian photography, for it's the only example I have personally come across that is similar in nature. Faint, misty and constantly in motion (energy field). Often, it's observed close to the body and fluctuates in color, texture and density. There may be other examples, that may better explain it, that I'm not aware of?

In my opinion, human perception is multi-layered. To think of it, as only physical, is limiting.

I'll check out the thread you suggested.
 
angelburst29 said:
I suggested Kirlian photography, for it's the only example I have personally come across that is similar in nature. Faint, misty and constantly in motion (energy field). Often, it's observed close to the body and fluctuates in color, texture and density. There may be other examples, that may better explain it, that I'm not aware of?
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That's pretty cool, I don't know of any other ways to photo energy fields, aura photography maybe?. I have a another question, but it doesn't really relate to the subject of this thread. I'm going to ask it anyway ;D but I apologise for being...

:offtopic:

I did a Google search to find out a bit more about Kirlian photography and I found these two sites:

Both these sites mention taking Kirlian photos of coins and leaves. So my question is: Do you see auras or energy around either leaves or coins? I'm interested because if you do, that might be considered evidence for idea that everything is alive, including matter. But if you don't, then maybe living things are producing a kind of "corona discharge" as a result of being alive.

I was also interested in finding out about Kirlian photography, because I thought maybe if there are other beings around the place which we can't see, then maybe we could photograph their "corona discharge." But the method used for Kirlian photography doesn't really lend itself to that application. :( I guess I just have to wait till the technology improves, find another way, or try to figure it out myself.

In my opinion, human perception is multi-layered. To think of it, as only physical, is limiting.
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I agree, If we can show that greater perception is possible, and has been achieved, then maybe we can find out why it happens, and then how it can be done by others. Although I'm not a huge fan of the idea of doing it using technology, I do like the idea of achieving it through work on the self.

I'd also like to say that in the Colin Ross thread, the idea that a person's energy field disappears during OBE's is put forward. So now I'm back on topic. :halo:
 
Hi Archaea, I did check out the other thread on Human Energy Fields, by Colin Ross. Extremely interesting and thought provoking. I would like to mention, the photo rendition you included in that thread - is TOTALLY out of context and more inclined to "a Comic Book" fantasy edition.

My interpretation of what I have observed is closer to the body, much like is observed in the Kirlian photo's.
In states of anger and rage, the energy field around the body can be seen to correspond in likeness with sharp spikes emitting outward from the enengy field.

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"I have a another question, but it doesn't really relate to the subject of this thread. I'm going to ask it anyway but I apologise for being... Both these sites mention taking Kirlian photos of coins and leaves. So my question is: Do you see auras or energy around either leaves or coins?"

Personally, I can't say that I have noticed energy or aura printing around metal coins or leaves but all forms of physical matter possess energy, whether we physically see it or not.

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"I'd also like to say that in the Colin Ross thread, the idea that a person's energy field disappears during OBE's is put forward. So now I'm back on topic."

My thought's are - that a person's energy field doesn't disappear in an OBE but is naturally transfered between densities (third and forth) still connected by the silver pulsating thread. It can be a conscious or unconscious event. Conscious, as in, we have "willed it' or performed certain tasks to permit an OBE or aware of it, if we become conscious during an OBE in progress.

I may be off base but I lean towards the opinion that our energy or astral, how ever you want to define it, raises above the physical body during the sleeping cycle, still connected to an embirical cord - the silver thread, so as, to take in the universal charging energies, that we're connected to on other levels and densities? I could be wrong, on all accounts but to receive regenative life energies from a Universal source, we need to be equipped on some level, to receive those energies and intregate them within the physical and EM fields?
 
Hi Archaea, I did check out the other thread on Human Energy Fields, by Colin Ross. Extremely interesting and thought provoking. I would like to mention, the photo rendition you included in that thread - is TOTALLY out of context and more inclined to "a Comic Book" fantasy edition.
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Oh... I see, so that picture probably wasn't a real Kirlian photo, or it may have been, but that's just not what the aura looks like...

My interpretation of what I have observed is closer to the body, much like is observed in the Kirlian photo's.
In states of anger and rage, the energy field around the body can be seen to correspond in likeness with sharp spikes emitting outward from the enengy field.
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When you say that it's much like what is observed in Kirlian photos, do you mean the photos of the leaves and coins or do you mean some other pictures somewhere?

I've been thinking about this stuff and how it might relate to healing. The William Walker Atkinson quote which Mal7 originally posted in the Carlos Castaneda thread (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,6992.0.html) and which I reposted in the Colin Ross thread, and am going to repost in this thread...

The human aura, wrote William Walker Atkinson, is shaped like an egg. [quote from William Walker Atkinson, also known as Ramacharaka:] "To the psychic vision it appears to be 'streaked' by numerous fine lines extending like stiff bristles from the body outward. In normal health and vitality these 'bristles' stand out stiffly, while in cases of impaired vitality of poor health they droop like the soft hair on an animal, and in some cases present the appearance of a ruffled coat of hair, the several 'hairs' standing out in all directions. . . ". [quote from Castaneda:] "Fibers, like white cobwebs," don Juan said, "Very fine threads that circulate from the head to the navel. Thus a man looks like an egg of circulating fibres. And his arms and legs are like luminous bristles, bursting out in all directions."
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...Say's that the spikes start to loss their stiffness. So my thinking is that during Reiki or other energy healing, the energy spikes that have lost their thickness become attracted to the charge that is being placed above the persons body. This then might then give the spikes back some of their shape, healing the person.

That's just a theory, and I think it would be nice to find some way of verifying it. :)

Another thing I was thinking was that if during Kirlian photography the electrons follow the spikes of the aura, then maybe waving a positive charge over an area which is in need of healing may have an affect. My thinking is that the spikes of the aura might be attracted to the positive charge because they are the pathways that electrons follow, this then might heal the person.

I was also thinking that maybe for this to work there might have to be a source of electrons. So perhaps if the persons holds an anode (negative charge) in one hand, and waves a cathode (positive charge) over the part of their body that needs healing, then that might heal the area. Or maybe the person could stand on an anode or something.

The C's have mentioned using silk for protection against EM pollution (I think) and this website (http://www.school-for-champions.com/science/static_materials.htm) lists silk as one of the materials that becomes positively charged. So maybe there's a connection there?

These are all just theories, I'm curious though if you've ever observed what happens to the aura during healing, if anything, like with a cut or something? Or if you can see a difference in the aura around an injury?

I hope my questions aren't invasive... :)

And because this thread is about OBE's I think I'd best say something relevant, even if it is just wild speculation...

What if you could remove a persons aura from their body by using a moving charge differential? Like etheric abductions or something.
 
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"And because this thread is about OBE's I think I'd best say something relevant, even if it is just wild speculation...

I guess I just have to ................................ try to figure it out myself.

Although I'm not a huge fan of the idea ..........., I do like the idea of achieving it through work on the self.

I'd also like to say .......... That's pretty cool ........ These are all just theories, I'm curious though ....."

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angelburst29 said:
Quote from: Aragorn

"So anyway, a few months ago I started having these "miniature" out of body experiences at night. They don't come every night - maybe once or twice in a week. I sort of hover a couple of inches above my body and can see perfectly clearly the room and everything around me. "
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Angelburst and Archaea, both of you have sort of hijacked this thread. The above post by angelburst29 quoted Aragorn's post from 4 1/2 years ago rather than his recent post from last week that bumped this old thread up again. Angelburst, your comments are in reference to an experience Aragorn had several years ago that he stated he no longer has. It probably would have been better to start your own thread on this topic.

Just pointing out some forum etiquette to remember.
 
Perceval said:
angelburst29 said:
Quote from: Aragorn

"So anyway, a few months ago I started having these "miniature" out of body experiences at night. They don't come every night - maybe once or twice in a week. I sort of hover a couple of inches above my body and can see perfectly clearly the room and everything around me. "
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Angelburst and Archaea, both of you have sort of hijacked this thread. The above post by angelburst29 quoted Aragorn's post from 4 1/2 years ago rather than his recent post from last week that bumped this old thread up again. Angelburst, your comments are in reference to an experience Aragorn had several years ago that he stated he no longer has. It probably would have been better to start your own thread on this topic.

Just pointing out some forum etiquette to remember.
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Yeah, I realized that, but I couldn't help ask some questions, sorry... :-[
 
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