@987baz Well said! I still firmly believe that if someone is going to compose/write music that they, themself, at least create the chord progression and melodies instead of relying on a software program to do so. A music theory book is a lot less costly, and a lot longer lasting than a software program.
I agree, but I do use a random generator for ideas sometimes, to spark things off, it's not AI, just a bunch of midi files, that use royalty free music, that you can play with in bite sized chunks, then I change the key, time signature etc etc so I guess in a way that's cheating? but, the way I look at it, is music comes through me from source/DCM/higher self, whatever, so could it not also be inspiring us through technology? just a thought (haha I do like to play devils advocate don't I) Everything I do art-wise music, photography, video etc is guided by my intuition, which in turn, I believe is being guided by the above mentioned. I try to let go of preconceptions and anticipate anything and just let it run through me. I have to admit I do find that much stronger when I am playing my guitar than sitting at the DAW with a keyboard etc so take that FWIW
Food for thought… Two things I learned while working on my Masters; there is no such thing as a perfect performance, just great performers who know how to hide those mistakes. Other than live recordings, what is purchased on a recording is a manipulated rendition, created from multiple takes, sliced up and put back together to create a "perfect" recording.
Exactly right!! as a mixing and mastering guy, that's what we do, we make the song the "best" we can. Now I agree that perfectly aligned and auto-tunes vocals aren't my thing, but it is expected these days. I like the little mishaps, and inconsistencies and I tend to do live takes of vocals because they have more emotion and character rather than being perfectly in pitch etc
Yep. I used to think I really sucked and was too imperfect as a performer. Not easy to wobble through a set without tension and stumbles and brain farts here and there. One great thing about YouBoob is seeing some of my past pro heroes making mistakes and botching riffs or playing simple versions that are easier to nail in live gigs. Good for the self esteem to realize live performances had their flaws and weird stage dynamics and moods I never noticed when I would attend a live show. (same as I experienced) It also makes me appreciate the people who can nail it in real time. I recorded with our band in a studio back in the day. No cut and paste. No retake this or that part. Each person had to get their part right all the way through all at the same time. Intense pressure! (It took 5 or 6 takes per song to get a “perfect” one) So how does this relate to the thread aside from fond memories?
Obviously AI can make songs with no mistakes and perfect meter. I wonder if that level of perfection would leave a discerning human listener feeling flat uninspired and bored? There are subtle meter fluctuations when real humans are involved. A conductor can even induce this lingering or urgency. (And so can the drummer! Lololol) or any player actually. In reality humans will play ahead of or behind the beat just a scootch and that translates into feeling a groove as is the parlance. The brain hears all this. I know there are quantization schemes to emulate this but IDK…is it too perfect? Too rigid? To sterile? I suppose only the music nerds will think they can hear the difference. But Most people will be hypnotized like always, irrespective of the nuances.
Another thing regarding AI being too perfect and predictable and consequently…boring: I recall a Rick Beato vid where he analyzed how long songs were listened to before the listener flipped to the next song. It was an eye opener.
AI "music" will more than likely just sound like top 40 chart stuff, extremely over produced and "perfect" as you say, but most of that stuff is already. As I said in another thread, the way I look at my music is, that like us, it's imperfectly perfect, which took me a while to get, because I did suffer from perfectionism for quite a while, which is pretty debilitating.
I think the "problem" lies with the fact that we have been doing this quantizing/autotuning stuff for so long that when people hear things that aren't it sounds different, and, that can be good or bad depending on your tastes and how you listen to things. But I would say for the most part, the end listener doesn't care at all, they just like the song or they don't, it resonates or it doesn't.
Create what you feel, feel what you create, can't really go wrong there!
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