Alex Berta, Worldrevolt.net, and the Jedburgh Corp

I don't understand how these guys (Berta et al) expect to troll around the net, wearing the equivalent of large squeaky clown shoes, and expect no one to notice?

Could this be simple wishful thinking? Or is it just the mistaken pride of a military cog thinking he's more than a tool for his masters?
 
That's basically a non-response. Maybe they hope if they ignore you, you'll just go away? :whistle: (wishful thinking on his part)
 
Deedlet said:
However, I find your posting on their forum things like this to be rather immature and unbecoming of you. And you justify it by stating that you’re a ‘Heathen’ and that you needed to do this because it’s who you are at your ‘core’. I do not think this is true. I think your being a ‘Pegan’ or a ‘Heathen’ is a label you put on yourself. You are so much more than those things and they are not your ‘core’. <snip>

This is how I see it, but as always I could be wrong in my assessment. I just think that your energy could go into so much better digging research than emotionally ranting on their forum and basically doing what we here work to not do.

I don't think Guardian was being emotional, I think she was talking to the individuals in question in their lingo.

I also think it is kind of out of line to criticize certain defensive activities undertaken by those that do it... especially since it is NOT on THIS forum.
 
Lilou said:
That's basically a non-response. Maybe they hope if they ignore you, you'll just go away? :whistle: (wishful thinking on his part)
Yup, which is exactly what I did. :)
 
Gimpy said:
I don't understand how these guys (Berta et al) expect to troll around the net, wearing the equivalent of large squeaky clown shoes, and expect no one to notice?

Could this be simple wishful thinking? Or is it just the mistaken pride of a military cog thinking he's more than a tool for his masters?

I don't know the answer to that one Gimpy, there are just too many possibilities. Maybe Berta had become a liability? Maybe he got snarky with his host and the guy didn't privatize the worldrevolt.net registration by "accident?" Maybe they just don't care because most people aren't paying attention? We found where someone who goes by "Heyguise" brought a lot of this stuff up back in JULY, then about a week after he does, Berta registers Worldrevolt in his own name and immediate starts promoting "Operation Paperstorm??

I can pattern what they do, but their root "why" often eludes me?
 
Guardian said:
Gimpy said:
I don't understand how these guys (Berta et al) expect to troll around the net, wearing the equivalent of large squeaky clown shoes, and expect no one to notice?

Could this be simple wishful thinking? Or is it just the mistaken pride of a military cog thinking he's more than a tool for his masters?

I don't know the answer to that one Gimpy, there are just too many possibilities. Maybe Berta had become a liability? Maybe he got snarky with his host and the guy didn't privatize the worldrevolt.net registration by "accident?" Maybe they just don't care because most people aren't paying attention? We found where someone who goes by "Heyguise" brought a lot of this stuff up back in JULY, then about a week after he does, Berta registers Worldrevolt in his own name and immediate starts promoting "Operation Paperstorm??

I can pattern what they do, but their root "why" often eludes me?


Could it be simple....that its all, start to finish, 'a job'? Over time, its been clear to me that a lot of these paid shills don't care who sees them, as long as they nail a few unaware people to make some kind of quota, or set precedent for the courts?

I can be overly suspicious sometimes, and keeping things basic keeps me from seeing complexity where none exists. ;)
 
Lilou said:
(wishful thinking on his part)

It's not wishful thinking on their part, just leave us alone and I will go away. This particular attack has my attention because it has VERY real consequences for a woman and her young children. It's all good fun until you're in a custody battle with a pervert. :rolleyes:

Berta chose to put "Jean's" cass kult crappola on his forum, and that video was taken DIRECTLY from "Jean's" stalker campaign....and Berta and Co. did all this for their own reasons, whatever those are. They don't care about "Jean" they're just using him to their own ends. They don't care about "Marie" or her young children either.

The minute they stop abusing innocent people, I'll stop fighting back.
 
Guardian said:
Gimpy said:
I don't understand how these guys (Berta et al) expect to troll around the net, wearing the equivalent of large squeaky clown shoes, and expect no one to notice?

Could this be simple wishful thinking? Or is it just the mistaken pride of a military cog thinking he's more than a tool for his masters?

I don't know the answer to that one Gimpy, there are just too many possibilities. Maybe Berta had become a liability? Maybe he got snarky with his host and the guy didn't privatize the worldrevolt.net registration by "accident?" Maybe they just don't care because most people aren't paying attention? We found where someone who goes by "Heyguise" brought a lot of this stuff up back in JULY, then about a week after he does, Berta registers Worldrevolt in his own name and immediate starts promoting "Operation Paperstorm??

I can pattern what they do, but their root "why" often eludes me?

Lobaczewski has a few comments about this factor of pathology:

Political Ponerology said:
Many people with various hereditary deviations and acquired defects develop pathological egotism. For such people, forcing others in their environment, whole social groups, and, if possible, entire nations to feel and think like themselves becomes an internal necessity, a ruling concept. Some game a normal person would not take seriously becomes an often lifelong goal for them, the object of effort, sacrifices, and cunning psychological strategy.

Pathological egotism derives from repressing from one’s field of consciousness any objectionable, self-critical associations referring to one’s own nature or normality. Dramatic question such as “who is abnormal here, me or this world of people who feel and think differently?” are answered in the world’s disfavor. Such egotism is always linked to a dissimulative attitude, with a Cleckley mask or some other pathological quality being hidden from consciousness, both one’s own and that of other people. The greatest intensity of such egotism can be found in the prefrontal characteropathy described above.

The importance of the contribution of this kind of egotism to the genesis of evil thus hardly needs elaboration. It is a primarily societal resource, egotizing or traumatizing others, which in turn causes further difficulties. Pathological egotism is a constant component of variegated states wherein someone who appears to be normal (although he is in fact not quite so) is driven by motivations or battles for goals a normal person considers unrealistic or unlikely. The average person asks: “What could he expect to gain by that?”. Environmental opinion, however, interprets such a situation in accordance with “common sense” and is prone to accept a “more likely” version of occurrences. Such interpretation often results in human tragedy. We should thus always remember that the law principle of cui prodest becomes illusory whenever some pathological factor enters the picture.
 
Laura said:
I don't think Guardian was being emotional, I think she was talking to the individuals in question in their lingo.

At least I tried to, which is polite. I made my point AND amused myself (lulz) at the expense of a man who openly admits he's a "Narc" As a "newfag" I should probably have "lurked moar" first...but things were moving kinda fast.

I did notice that their language is rather sexist. Everything is "newfag" "oldfag" "fag" this and "fag" that...but there's no equivalent "newdyke" "olddyke" type derogatory slang for women? I thought that was interesting.
 
Approaching Infinity said:
anart said:
I think both Deedlet and go2 have lost the plot here. If you'll notice, Deedlet and go2, what Guardian is doing is by design - not reactive. There is an enormous difference.

Plus, when visiting foreign lands, it helps to speak the language! :lol:

Hmm ok well I guess I didn't see it like that.. "the by design" factor. I saw it as reactive and emotional. And really didn't see the humor in it.

Laura said:
Deedlet said:
However, I find your posting on their forum things like this to be rather immature and unbecoming of you. And you justify it by stating that you’re a ‘Heathen’ and that you needed to do this because it’s who you are at your ‘core’. I do not think this is true. I think your being a ‘Pegan’ or a ‘Heathen’ is a label you put on yourself. You are so much more than those things and they are not your ‘core’. <snip>

This is how I see it, but as always I could be wrong in my assessment. I just think that your energy could go into so much better digging research than emotionally ranting on their forum and basically doing what we here work to not do.

I don't think Guardian was being emotional, I think she was talking to the individuals in question in their lingo.

I also think it is kind of out of line to criticize certain defensive activities undertaken by those that do it... especially since it is NOT on THIS forum.

Alright if I was out of line I apologize. But I'll admit that I'm a little confused. I think writing articles to expose someone in a defensive manner is a good way to expose those pathologicals. Going on someone else's forum or in your words "someone else's home" to actively entice them to come out and 'play' to me is basically fighting fire with fire and sinking to their level. I see it the same as when people come here and start throwing certain words around or saying things just to get a reaction out of the people here, namely you Laura. So I guess that's where my confusion came from and that's why I wrote what I did. I apologize if I offended you Guardian.
 
Deedlet said:
Laura said:
I don't think Guardian was being emotional, I think she was talking to the individuals in question in their lingo.

I also think it is kind of out of line to criticize certain defensive activities undertaken by those that do it... especially since it is NOT on THIS forum.

Alright if I was out of line I apologize. But I'll admit that I'm a little confused. I think writing articles to expose someone in a defensive manner is a good way to expose those pathologicals. Going on someone else's forum or in your words "someone else's home" to actively entice them to come out and 'play' to me is basically fighting fire with fire and sinking to their level. I see it the same as when people come here and start throwing certain words around or saying things just to get a reaction out of the people here, namely you Laura. So I guess that's where my confusion came from and that's why I wrote what I did. I apologize if I offended you Guardian.

Remember the law of three - it's not so much about what is being done, alone, but what and why in the given context - including the possible and expected results.

Also remember the idea of Petty Tyrants and confronting them strategically.

fwiw
 
Laura said:
Deedlet said:
However, I find your posting on their forum things like this to be rather immature and unbecoming of you. And you justify it by stating that you’re a ‘Heathen’ and that you needed to do this because it’s who you are at your ‘core’. I do not think this is true. I think your being a ‘Pegan’ or a ‘Heathen’ is a label you put on yourself. You are so much more than those things and they are not your ‘core’. <snip>

This is how I see it, but as always I could be wrong in my assessment. I just think that your energy could go into so much better digging research than emotionally ranting on their forum and basically doing what we here work to not do.

I don't think Guardian was being emotional, I think she was talking to the individuals in question in their lingo.

I also think it is kind of out of line to criticize certain defensive activities undertaken by those that do it... especially since it is NOT on THIS forum.

I was not confident of my perception that Guardian's narc song was lulz, and not part of an on going defense of the forum. I apologize for the distraction and appreciate the correction. For future reference....should I pm a moderator before posting a concern which might lack full understanding and confidence?
 
go2 said:
I was not confident of my perception that Guardian's narc song was lulz, and not part of an on going defense of the forum. I apologize for the distraction and appreciate the correction. For future reference....should I pm a moderator before posting a concern which might lack full understanding and confidence?

I don't see why. That is like saying that you are only allowed to post on a thread if you are 100% certain about what you write. But who is? We all learn and if this forum is a school, it is natural and necessary that people make mistakes. In fact, it happens all the time, and to all people. I would feel quite out of place if it didn't!

As for Guardian's song, I too didn't see anything wrong with it. It was strategic and funny, and quite Guardian-style. Not only does it provoke a reaction from this guy or his friends, but it attracts attention in a place in which people tend to be irreverent and 'funny'. Plus the guy deserved that and more. I wouldn't have done it that way, but that's just because I don't have Guardian's qualities. ;)
 
luke wilson said:
How do you deal with fear Guardian?

That depends entirely on what I'm afraid of at the time. Compartmentalization, confrontation, humor, Winchester 30/30, run like hell... there's a variety of choices. How I deal with fear is determined by what's scaring me.
 
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