All the woman should have kids ?

[agni]

Hi All !

Having children is definitely a great experience in learning to be STO. And learning how to love unconditionally

There are plenty of other already existing humans on earth that is a great experience in learning to be STO. It does not take a kid to move in that direction. If anything, it's should be a personal choice. Taking care of kids is not an achievement, it's what one is suppose to do in being responsible.


My idea for not having kids may be cynical. To begin with, I find idea wanting to have kids is selfish at it's best. For what reason anyone would want to have kids ? I could not find a single reason that would be not selfish. But hey, I am blind. So, if you see something other than selfish in wanting to have kids, please, by all means, enlighten ! :)

There are already close to 6.7 billion STS beings on the planet. Why would I want to contribute to creating more ? If anything, I would rather contribute by not contributing to STS replication program.

 

[celtic]

I do not want a child because of the way the world is today. Knowing that we are going through some troubling times, and this world might go through a possible qauntum change, makes me think twice before bringing a child in this world. Plus I think am better off without a child because I still have myself to work on. And I am far away from being on track to raise a child, infact I am struggling to take care of myself. So, when I think of having a baby I always keep those things in mind, becuase I have to consider the well being of the child. Just something to think about.

 

[Mr.Anderson]

agni

There are already close to 6.7 billion STS beings on the planet. Why would I want to contribute to creating more ? If anything, I would rather contribute by not contributing to STS replication program.

second that

 

[mabar]

I do like children… for a half an hour :P , in my experience I had met babies as they are, not the “illusion” to have them, they are not dolls, they are beings.

Friends, cousins uncles, parents ask questions, the more recent, a close friend, her baby was 2 months old, I told her that considering where we are (city, country, continent, world…) going or what is coming, babies are not even into my consideration. And when one of them told me about her being pregnant I do not if I am able to congrats her or giving her my apologies.

Now that I am learning about all narcissistic problems that pass on generation through generation it is more a convincing No to that issue, from my point of view, the point is to help those who have grudge to bear rather than create new ones.

 

[Bar Kochba]

Hi All !

Having children is definitely a great experience in learning to be STO. And learning how to love unconditionally

There are plenty of other already existing humans on earth that is a great experience in learning to be STO. It does not take a kid to move in that direction. If anything, it's should be a personal choice. Taking care of kids is not an achievement, it's what one is suppose to do in being responsible.


My idea for not having kids may be cynical. To begin with, I find idea wanting to have kids is selfish at it's best. For what reason anyone would want to have kids ? I could not find a single reason that would be not selfish. But hey, I am blind. So, if you see something other than selfish in wanting to have kids, please, by all means, enlighten ! :)

There are already close to 6.7 billion STS beings on the planet. Why would I want to contribute to creating more ? If anything, I would rather contribute by not contributing to STS replication program.

To say that there are "plenty of other already existing humans on earth that is a great experience in learning to be STO" tells me that you probably do not have children. As you point out, we are all STS. But your own flesh and blood forces you, shocks you, into thinking in an STO manner. It is different with others whom you do not share a familial connection. Hell, even with cousins or siblings it is not the same connection as your own child. I did not plan on having children. It was not my "conscious" choice. It was the result of carelessness and selfishness...again, as you pointed out, having a child stems from selfishness in our STS world. But, we are left to deal with the situation and make the best of it. I love my children and would not change the fact that they were born. They changed me 100% for the better, and I can only hope to help them on their journey as best I can.

To reiterate what I stated before: if one is "planning" parenthood and one has any doubts, then do not have a baby. FWIW

 

[cubbex]

Well, its better not to have kids if you don't want to have. It would be devastating to hear your mother, "you are here because others wanted".

 

[truth seeker]

Perhaps the thing to keep in mind, as has been said, is that we are all STS. That means, no matter what choice we make in whatever issue, more likely than not there will be an STS quality to it. The important thing, I think, is to see the opportunity for learning that comes with every choice and do the best we can, regardless of the circumstance we find ourselves in.

To imply that one person is better or more right or more selfish than another because of their choice to have a child or not is a fruitless argument, I think, because there are people in both camps that have proven that it's not the case. The point is to be as aware as we can when making choices and doing what's best for all in any given situation.

 

[Aya]

female human beings means women, right?

It's interesting that most people tend to think that considering having babies is "women" thing to do, although it is natural thing because women can have their own babies at only certain period of lifetime.

There are plenty of other already existing humans on earth that is a great experience in learning to be STO. It does not take a kid to move in that direction. If anything, it's should be a personal choice. Taking care of kids is not an achievement, it's what one is suppose to do in being responsible.

My idea for not having kids may be cynical. To begin with, I find idea wanting to have kids is selfish at it's best. For what reason anyone would want to have kids ? I could not find a single reason that would be not selfish. But hey, I am blind. So, if you see something other than selfish in wanting to have kids, please, by all means, enlighten ! :)

There are already close to 6.7 billion STS beings on the planet. Why would I want to contribute to creating more ? If anything, I would rather contribute by not contributing to STS replication program.

You have a point. I cannot find a single reason either that benefit my child to be born in this world "at this point in time." We are taught from the society to think in division between "our children" or "your children". But the world would be better place if everyone think us all as "family" and consider all children to be loved and cared. I think it is better Not to think babies issue as a personal thing, rather I think it is should be considered externally as a part of the universe.

Perhaps the thing to keep in mind, as has been said, is that we are all STS. That means, no matter what choice we make in whatever issue, more likely than not there will be an STS quality to it. The important thing, I think, is to see the opportunity for learning that comes with every choice and do the best we can, regardless of the circumstance we find ourselves in.

To imply that one person is better or more right or more selfish than another because of their choice to have a child or not is a fruitless argument, I think, because there are people in both camps that have proven that it's not the case. The point is to be as aware as we can when making choices and doing what's best for all in any given situation.

I just read truth seekers post while I am typing. It sums up well. There is not much to add to it.
It's not black and white and we are still learning. Personally, I like to have a child at certain point in my life if there is an opportunity...but it is not necessary to consider it right now. Everyone is in a different situation and we have to keep our focus to become aware.

 

[KTC]

Interesting topic. I grew up loving children and always being attracted to them. I was often the older child at the family outings who would choose to look after the younger ones rather than play with the older kids. I remember my parents and others often talking about how I would be the first to have a family and I was an aspiring mother to be, etc.
As I grew up I finished school and became a traveller and although I still enjoyed the company of children and enjoyed playing with them, I never saw myself as a parenting type. After all I liked being on the road and identified with parent hood as something that would hold me down.
I intermitently returned home to see that my childhood friends were all growing up, buying houses, driving new cars, excelling in their careers and of course, having children. It seemed to be part of their process and was becoming even more foreign to me. The more I travelled the more I saw and the less likely it seemed that I could ever fit having a child into my lifestyle.
That all changed when, camping on a beach in a foreign land I fell in love with the most amazing person. I realised then that it wasn't the whole idea of having a child but the notion of being tied down, succumbing to the pressure of building that materialistic empire I could see my friends all living in, doing the 9-5, comparing and competing with each other for anything and everything and being stuck in that cycle.
Long story short we now have a great little boy in our lives and we certainly are NOT stuck on that merry go round I still despise. We work part time jobs in industries that are flexible and allow us to maintain our lifestyle of travel, we enjoy the simple pleasures of hanging out, exploring nature, enjoying trips abroad and have this most wonderful experience of sharing it all with a little boy.
I never imagined that I would have been happy looking for beetles in the garden. I had spent so much time looking for adventure abroad that my own back yard had lost its wonder. Well now I see things things through the eyes of a child. And every day is an adventure, no matter what language we are speaking.
I don't think that we 'should' have children. It is each persons choice, and that choice is right. But I am happy to have chosen to do this and now I can't imagine what I was doing with my time, without a child to share it.
And, if I hadn't had a child I don't think I would have found this site. Having him has certainly made me open my eyes and really question things. I am sure that he has helped me in my awakening.

 

[truth seeker]

I never imagined that I would have been happy looking for beetles in the garden. I had spent so much time looking for adventure abroad that my own back yard had lost its wonder. Well now I see things things through the eyes of a child. And every day is an adventure, no matter what language we are speaking.

That really touched me, fisheye. Thanks for sharing that. :)

 

[Aneke]

I never imagined that I would have been happy looking for beetles in the garden. I had spent so much time looking for adventure abroad that my own back yard had lost its wonder. Well now I see things things through the eyes of a child. And every day is an adventure, no matter what language we are speaking.

That really touched me, fisheye. Thanks for sharing that. :)

Me too, Fisheye. Lovely post! Thank you!

 

[Bar Kochba]

now I can't imagine what I was doing with my time, without a child to share it.
And, if I hadn't had a child I don't think I would have found this site. Having him has certainly made me open my eyes and really question things. I am sure that he has helped me in my awakening.

Beautifully put. :)

 

[Mrs.Tigersoap]

That all changed when, camping on a beach in a foreign land I fell in love with the most amazing person. I realised then that it wasn't the whole idea of having a child but the notion of being tied down, succumbing to the pressure of building that materialistic empire I could see my friends all living in, doing the 9-5, comparing and competing with each other for anything and everything and being stuck in that cycle.
Long story short we now have a great little boy in our lives and we certainly are NOT stuck on that merry go round I still despise. We work part time jobs in industries that are flexible and allow us to maintain our lifestyle of travel, we enjoy the simple pleasures of hanging out, exploring nature, enjoying trips abroad and have this most wonderful experience of sharing it all with a little boy.
I never imagined that I would have been happy looking for beetles in the garden. I had spent so much time looking for adventure abroad that my own back yard had lost its wonder. Well now I see things things through the eyes of a child. And every day is an adventure, no matter what language we are speaking.
I don't think that we 'should' have children. It is each persons choice, and that choice is right. But I am happy to have chosen to do this and now I can't imagine what I was doing with my time, without a child to share it.
And, if I hadn't had a child I don't think I would have found this site. Having him has certainly made me open my eyes and really question things. I am sure that he has helped me in my awakening.

My thoughts exactly, Fisheye! Beautifully said! Tigersoap and I are very much in the same situation and we are also substituting the materialistic empire for the quality of life, just the three of us. We don't have the opportunity to travel abroad as much as you (apparently), and years before having my daughter, I would have been very annoyed by that. But nowadays, I get super excited going to the zoo because my daughter loves it and I cant' wait to see her face when we get there (we usually don't say in advance what we do because she gets so excited she literally cannot sleep the whole night before). Oh yeah, when she grows up, she wants to be a swimming teacher for dolphins

To the question 'Is someone getting the best from you?', I can honestly say that the someone who is getting the best from me is my daughter (well, hopefully Tigersoap as well!). I've never given so much of myself to anyone. And that's the amazing thing with children: you give, you give and it's sometimes so hard and then you see them doing well and you forget all the hardships. She's my blood, my flesh, there is no stronger bond than that. I would give my life without thinking to protect her. That's the closest to STO I can get at my very limited and sleepy level, I think.

Thanks for sharing everyone.

 

[KTC]

I agree Mrs Tigersoap

I've never given so much of myself to anyone.
I would give my life without thinking to protect her.
That's the closest to STO I can get at my very limited and sleepy level, I think.

 

[Rose]

I´m just wondering if all the female human beings ( I´m Rh - so I don´t know if I´m ) should have a child for their spiritual growing . From where is the message coming to have a kid ? I´m in the age when most of my friends had already baby and everybody is asking now when is my turn ? To me it seems sometimes like they are programmed from the society, everybody is having a kid so you should have as well, otherwise they think you are a stranger. Is it STS behaving not to have a kid, well I like to have a time for my activities and with children is not so much time left for this . I don´t know if I´m that strong enough like Laura and can manage everything. So if you researched little bit this thing I will be very happy to hear your opinions, thanks Jaela

I don't think that you can generalize that all women must have kids if they want to grow spiritually. Everybody has their own path in life and their own lessons to learn. There is a lot of social pressure on women to have kids because that's what they're supposed to do. I never wanted to have kids, I've known that from a very early age, and I've been repeatedly told that there must be something wrong with me because it's not normal for a woman not to want to have children. There is a lot of programming from society, but the decision to have children should be based on whether it feels right for you and not because everybody else is doing it.

Also, I might be wrong but isn't having children because you expect it will make you grow spiritually a bit selfish? Like you wouldn't be bringing a child into this world for the child's sake but for yours, because you would expect it to benefit you? FWIW