Alton Towers, Sir Francis Bacon and the Rosicrucians

The Amazon Rainforest is not usually a location where you would expect to find large ancient circles or henges. However, you would be wrong as the following article shows. Please note that these Amazonian henges are not in the main stone circles like the famous one at Stonehenge in England but are instead circles inscribed in the ground forming what are called geoglyphs. However, even in Britain, not all henges were made from stone since many were made from wood like Woodhenge, a Neolithic site close to Stonehenge that was constructed using timber posts.​

Huge archaeology breakthrough as 'thousands of Stonehenges' found hidden in Amazon​

Story by Max Channon for the Daily Express Newspaper

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Aerial view of one of the the Amazonian henges
Thousands of earthworks similar to Britain's iconic and enigmatic Stonehenge have been found hidden deep in the Amazon rainforest.

Archaeologists once thought it was "impossible" for such structures to exist in the Amazon - and the scientist who helped discover them says they have turned our understanding of human history in the area "upside down". However, this incredible breakthrough is threatened by the same policies and practices that have been blamed for the destruction of an area of rainforest the size of Denmark in August alone.

Many of these mysterious mounds are more than 2,000 years old. And at least one of them is a stone circle - the Parque Arqueológico do Solstício in Brazil - that, like the world-famous moment in Wiltshire, was built to align with the sun on the solstices.​

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Aerial view of two of the henges
Archaeologist Dr Alceu Ranzi helped discover the first of these earthworks, with the late Denise Schaan, in the 1970s. He told Express.co.uk: "It was my background [Degree] in Geography that allowed me to recognize the first geoglyph from the window of a jet while flying on the approach to Rio Branco airport."
"After that, I returned to the spot using a small airplane and we took pictures of the Geoglyph. When I showed the photograph to a famous archaeologist asking for his opinion, the answer was that this was impossible to exist in the Amazon."

Since then, more than 1,150 of these geoglyphs have been discovered - and it's believed thousands more are yet to be found. Dr Ranzi says Carbon 14 dating, using organic material excavated from the geoglyphs, shows many were built between 1,000 BC and 1,200 AD.

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Dr Ranzi told Express.co.uk: "From the first flight, what caught my attention was the monumentality and the geometrical perfection of the structures. Squares and circles are more common in different sizes, from 50 to 300 meters."

The Amazon Geoglyphs are spread out over a large area in southwestern Amazon, near the borders of Bolivia, Peru and Brazil. With aerial photography and the new LIDAR technology, the Amazon's archaeology has been turned upside down.

Dr Ranzi said these geoglyphs are "similar to the UK henges, without stones" and that the most "probable hypothesis" is that they were "for ceremonial purposes". He said they reveal that people have lived there for more than 2.000 years - and that "many useful trees in the forest were cultivated by the ancient people of the Amazon".

Asked how these ancient and lost civilizations were able to alter such a vast landscape without modern technology, Dr Ranzi said they were "smart people". He told Express.co.uk they needed "a perception of the terrain" and to understand the morphology of the landscape."​

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Map showing Geoglyph distribution in the Amazon
Dr Ranzi explained "the geometrical figures begin to show up" when developers started 'slash and burn' farming in vast swathes of the rainforest in the 1970s. He said: "Much of the Amazon is not and was not pristine forest. Just like today, the ancient inhabitants of the Amazon were able to modify and adapt the landscape to meet their needs for food, housing and security."

However today's developers pose a huge risk to both rainforest, our wider planet - and the henges of the Amazon that Dr Ranzi was the first to identify. He now hopes to secure recognition by UNESCO as a World Heritage Site - and prevent their destruction.

He told us: "It is a legacy of ancient Amazonian civilization that needs to be preserved. For that, we are asking friends and scholars for help and support on the subject."

"Destroying the Amazonian Geoglyphs even before they are studied would be a tragedy for the humanity. It would be the same as destroying a Picasso, or a Michelangelo - or even a Machu Picchu, or the Mayan or Egyptian Pyramids."
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So, who built these geoglyphs? Was it the ancestors of the Amerindian tribes who still live in the Amazon Rainforest today or some long lost civilisation? As I have mentioned in earlier posts, many of the Megalithic and Neolithic monuments found in Western Europe and the Mediterranean have been linked with giants, this includes Stonehenge, the monuments of Malta and ancient stone structures in Sardinia. Is there any evidence of giants in South America to whom these Amazonian geoglyphs could be linked? Well yes there is?

In my earlier post on The Epic Voyage of Meritaten, I mentioned that there was evidence for red-headed giants with large elongated skulls having being found in Peru (ref. the Paracas skulls whose DNA has been linked to the Middle East and to Scotland). I ventured that these could have been members of the giant red-haired Tuatha de Danann who had set off from Egypt/Canaan with Princess Meritaten's party but subsequently left the main group to head first for the Canary Islands and then on to South America where they migrated up the Amazon river to Peru. Perhaps some of them stayed in the Amazon Rainforest and constructed these geoglyphs, the oldest of which date back to at least 1,000 BC. Meritaten's era is normally dated to the mid-14th Century B.C., hence only a few centuries before the oldest of these structures were constructed. It is interesting to note that during Portuguese explorer Ferdinand Magellan's famous voyage of circumnavigation of the globe in the 1520's, the Italian chronicler Antonio Pigafetta who sailed with Magellan relates how the crew encountered tall giants in what is now Patagonia in Argentina one of whom joined them but sadly died not long afterwards. These giants were meant to be twice the size of an average European of the time, making them around 11 ft tall, which coincidentally is the same size as the C's gave for the Kantekkian/Anunnaki giants or hybrids - A: Page 33. Blond and blue-eyed, of course! Before genetic alteration, one branch stood eleven feet tall. There is no doubt there could have been some exaggeration at play here but then in 1615, the Dutch circumnavigators Willem Schouten and Jacob Le Maire found graves containing human bones on the Patagonian shores… bones of beings which appeared to be ten or eleven feet tall… Today, these accounts are dismissed as fanciful tales with experts suggesting that the people Magellan's crew encountered were in reality the indigenous Tehuelche tribe, a Mapudungun word meaning ‘Fierce People’, who were known to have been about 4 inches taller than the average European of the time. So, you might argue 'nothing to see here' where giants are concerned save that we have the mystery of the Paracas skulls and extant Spanish colonists' accounts of encounters with giants in Peru in the 17th century.

Even if these 16th and 17th century European claims for the existence of giant humans in South America cannot be sustained or proven at this remove in time, there is another possibility as regards the presence of giants in the Amazon Rainforest who could have built these ancient geoglyphs and that is one proposed by the C's themselves:

Session 10 December 1994:

Q: (L) Was there an ancient advanced civilization located in the area we now call Antarctica?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What was the name of this civilization?

A: Gor.

Q: (L) What kind of individuals lived in Gor?

A: 18 feet tall.

Q: (L) Were they humanoid and did they look like us?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Were they male and female like us?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And did they have space travel capabilities?

A: No interest.

Q: (L) Are there any remains of their civilization left?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Did they only inhabit Antarctica?

A: No.

Q: (L) Did they inhabit the whole world?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Are there any remains in Florida?

A: No.

Q: (L) Where might the remains be found

A: South America.

Q: (L) Where in South America?

A:
Amazon. Ancient legend of Amazons.


So, could it have been the remnants of the Gor, the legendary Amazons, who constructed these numerous stone geoglyphs in the Amazon Rain Forest?

If the South American Gor giants lay behind the legend of the Amazons, then it is rather strange and difficult to explain how the legend should have surfaced in Europe in the age of classical Greece an ocean and a sea away.

In Greek mythology, the Amazons were a race of women warriors. The story of the Amazons probably originated as a variant of a tale recurrent in many cultures, that of a distant land organised opposite to one’s own. The ascribed habitat of the Amazons necessarily became more remote as Greek geographic knowledge developed. When the Black Sea region was colonised by Greeks, it was first said to be the Amazon district, but when no Amazons were found there, it was necessary to explain what had become of them.

Traditionally, one of the 12 labours required of the Greek hero Heracles (Hercules) was leading an expedition to obtain the girdle of Hippolyte, the queen of the Amazons, during which he was said to have conquered and expelled them from their district. Penthesilea also led an army of Amazons to fight for Troy against the Greeks, but she was killed by Achilles, who later mourned her.
In another tale, the hero Theseus attacked the Amazons either with Heracles or independently. The Amazons in turn invaded Attica but were finally defeated, and at some point Theseus married one of them, Antiope. In Hellenistic times the Amazons were associated with Dionysus (the god of wine), either as his allies or, more commonly, as his opponents.

As with Homer's tales of the Trojan War, the legend of the Amazons may have been inherited by the classical age Greeks from their distant ancestors. Could the legend have even dated back to Atlantean times I wonder?

According to some accounts, the Amazon River was so named by the 16th-century Spanish explorer Francisco de Orellana for the fighting women he claimed to have encountered on what was previously known as the Marañon River.

And the legend of the Amazons lives on today in the comic book character of Diana Prince otherwise known as Wonder Woman, an Amazon princess from Paradise Island, a secluded island set in the middle of a vast ocean (Hmmm ... should this really be Antarctica?)
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I don't know if the C's have ever expounded further on the Amazons. I am certainly not aware that they have. However, other evidence for a large scale, advanced civilisation existing within the Amazon Rain Forest has certainly been emerging in recent years. One proponent of this theory is English writer and researcher Graham Hancock.​

Archaeologist says Amazon rainforest a man-made garden planted by vast lost civilisation​

Story by Max Channon

Controversial journalist and author Graham Hancock has suggested the Amazon rainforest was shaped by people using knowledge handed down to them by an advanced ancient civilization. Netflix has just scheduled the release of a second season of Hancock's series Ancient Apocalypse.

The first season of Ancient Apocalypse proposed human civilization was restarted after the last ice age by the survivors of an advanced civilisation that was all but destroyed by a cataclysm. It was branded the "most dangerous show on TV" by The Guardian's Stuart Heritage, who claimed the show "seems to exist solely for conspiracy theorists". [MJF: Unfortunately for Stuart Heritage, the C's seem to back Hancock for they have said that the Amerindian civilisations of Central and South America were the descendants of Atlantean survivors.]

This new series will explore Hancock's theory that Indigenous American cultures inherited a legacy of advanced scientific knowledge and sophisticated spiritual beliefs from a lost civilisation. Hancock advanced this claim in his 2019 book 'America Before: The Key to Earth's Lost Civilisation'.

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Hancock suggested that the Amazon rainforest is not entirely natural - and that it was, in fact, shaped by a 'lost' ancient civilisation from the ice age. Hancock points to the existence of huge earthworks and terra preta soil - a 5,000-year-old man-made fertile 'dark earth' - as evidence for this.

These claims have been supported, in part at least, by Ed Barnhart, an American archaeologist and explorer who specialises in ancient civilisations of the Americas. Speaking to computer scientist and podcaster Lex Fridman, Barnhart - who appears in the trailer for the new season of 'Ancient Apocalypse' - defended Hancock.

He described Hancock as "smart" and a "very good researcher". Barnhart said: "I think that he's very well-read, in fact, better read than a lot of my colleagues, but his conclusions I disagree with."

Barnhart agreed with Hancock's claims that the Amazon rainforest was planted by a lost civilisation. However, he told Fridman he disagreed with Hancock regarding the antiquity of this lost civilisation - and how advanced it may or may not have been.

When asked if he thought there were "lost civilisations in the history of humans on Earth which we don't know anything about", Barnhart - who is the founder and Director of the Maya Exploration Center - said: "Yes I do. And, in fact we, have found some civilisations that we had no idea about just in my lifetime.

"We've got Gobekli Tepe [an enigmatic 12,000 year old site in Turkey] and we've got the stuff that's going on in the Amazon and there are some other less startling things that we had no idea existed and push our dates back and give us whole new civilisations we had no idea about. So yeah, it's happened."

Asked if he believed there was a lost civilisation in the Amazon that the rainforest "has eaten up" and hidden evidence of, Barnart replied: "Yes I do. We're beginning to find it.

"There are these huge what we call geoglyphs, these mound groups that are in geometric patterns. I think that the average Joe when they hear the word civilisation they think of something that looks like Rome and I don't think we're ever going to find anything that looks like Rome in the Amazon." [MJF: Who knows that we won't given how current satellite imaging is revolutionising archaeology and revealing sites that once contained sophisticated structures that have previously eluded archaeologists working on the ground. My advice would be to keep looking!]

Talking about the ideas espoused by Hancock, Fridman asked Barnhart: "He's proposed it's possible that the Amazon jungle is sort of a man-made garden, so it was planted there by an advanced ancient civilisation. Is there any degree to which that could be possible?"

Barnhart replied: "Frankly, I agree with him... It's the conclusion part that we differ from, sure, but the facts that he's basing that on are tera pretta, are the huge geometric earthworks - there are ever-increasing evidence of them.

"They're everywhere. Every time we open up the jungle we find these big works. So yes, there was a vast civilisation that was there. How advanced they were is a question - and also, you know, a perspective thing."

Barnhart, however, does not support Hancock's theory that a lost civilisation from the last ice age 'seeded' all of the world's civilisations. He said: "We could have the story wrong, but one thing we're real good at is finding stuff. [MJF: We know from the C's that Atlantean survivors and their descendants did emerge in different parts of the world to reboot civilisation at different times and at different rates.]

"I mean, we find fish scales - so I find it just too big a pill to swallow that there was a civilisation that was that technologically advanced and that large, that we can't even find a pot shard from."

Professor John W Hoopes directs the Global Indigenous Nations Studies Program at the University of Kansas. He agrees that the Amazon rainforest was shaped by the actions of human hands thousands of years ago - but he says they were the hands of sophisticated indigenous farmers.

A specialist in pre-Hispanic indigenous cultures in Latin America, Hoopes is a long-term critic of Hancock's work. He exclusively explained to The Express why he finds the phrase 'advanced ancient civilisation' "highly problematic".

"The word 'advanced' is a legacy of Victorian-era unilineal cultural evolution, the notion that cultures advance along a trajectory from savagery to civilisation," said Hoopes. "They don't. It's far more complicated than that.

"'Civilisation' can be summarised in two words: 'like us'. If there is something in a culture that we can recognize as being like ourselves, we are willing to bestow upon them the identity of 'civilisation'.​

"The term has become practically meaningless in archaeology. It is also used to sensationalise."

Regarding ancient agriculture in the Amazon, Hoopes told The Express: "The ancient people of Amazonia used 'terra preta' - black earth technology - to convert heavily weathered, tropical soils into fertile, carbon and nutrient-rich soils that were extremely fertile. This was done over an extensive territory along the Amazon and its tributaries.

"The rich biodiversity of Amazon rainforest habitats today is due in large part to the high fertility of anthropogenic [human made] soils created over millennia by Indigenous farmers of South America. When their populations declined dramatically as a result of pandemics and genocide that followed European colonisation [MJF: How can he be sure those processes were not already operative even before the first Europeans arrived? Moreover, the C's suggested that most of the Mayans in Central America had been taken off planet by the 4D Lizards at some stage. Could the same fate have occurred to the Amerindians of the Amazon Rainforest?], the rainforest rebounded, growing even more luxuriantly, because of the high fertility of these human-enhanced soils.

"Those anthropogenic black earth soils were created gradually and over many generations and thousands of years. Another method of agricultural enhancement was raised and drained fields - camellones or waru waru - used to convert wetlands into fertile farmlands. These also became quickly and densely overgrown when they were abandoned due to population decline.​

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You will note that the C's confirmed that the Gor giants were an ancient advanced civilisation who once occupied the Amazon. So, is it possible that the Gor were the first to create the rich biodiversity of the Amazon Rainforest that exists today and did the Amazon Amerindians inherit their legacy?
 

The Amazon Rainforest is not usually a location where you would expect to find large ancient circles or henges. However, you would be wrong as the following article shows. Please note that these Amazonian henges are not in the main stone circles like the famous one at Stonehenge in England but are instead circles inscribed in the ground forming what are called geoglyphs. However, even in Britain, not all henges were made from stone since many were made from wood like Woodhenge, a Neolithic site close to Stonehenge that was constructed using timber posts.​

Huge archaeology breakthrough as 'thousands of Stonehenges' found hidden in Amazon​

Story by Max Channon for the Daily Express Newspaper

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Aerial view of one of the the Amazonian henges
Thousands of earthworks similar to Britain's iconic and enigmatic Stonehenge have been found hidden deep in the Amazon rainforest.

Archaeologists once thought it was "impossible" for such structures to exist in the Amazon - and the scientist who helped discover them says they have turned our understanding of human history in the area "upside down". However, this incredible breakthrough is threatened by the same policies and practices that have been blamed for the destruction of an area of rainforest the size of Denmark in August alone.

Many of these mysterious mounds are more than 2,000 years old. And at least one of them is a stone circle - the Parque Arqueológico do Solstício in Brazil - that, like the world-famous moment in Wiltshire, was built to align with the sun on the solstices.​

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Aerial view of two of the henges
Archaeologist Dr Alceu Ranzi helped discover the first of these earthworks, with the late Denise Schaan, in the 1970s. He told Express.co.uk: "It was my background [Degree] in Geography that allowed me to recognize the first geoglyph from the window of a jet while flying on the approach to Rio Branco airport."
"After that, I returned to the spot using a small airplane and we took pictures of the Geoglyph. When I showed the photograph to a famous archaeologist asking for his opinion, the answer was that this was impossible to exist in the Amazon."

Since then, more than 1,150 of these geoglyphs have been discovered - and it's believed thousands more are yet to be found. Dr Ranzi says Carbon 14 dating, using organic material excavated from the geoglyphs, shows many were built between 1,000 BC and 1,200 AD.

Dr Ranzi told Express.co.uk: "From the first flight, what caught my attention was the monumentality and the geometrical perfection of the structures. Squares and circles are more common in different sizes, from 50 to 300 meters."

The Amazon Geoglyphs are spread out over a large area in southwestern Amazon, near the borders of Bolivia, Peru and Brazil. With aerial photography and the new LIDAR technology, the Amazon's archaeology has been turned upside down.

Dr Ranzi said these geoglyphs are "similar to the UK henges, without stones" and that the most "probable hypothesis" is that they were "for ceremonial purposes". He said they reveal that people have lived there for more than 2.000 years - and that "many useful trees in the forest were cultivated by the ancient people of the Amazon".

Asked how these ancient and lost civilizations were able to alter such a vast landscape without modern technology, Dr Ranzi said they were "smart people". He told Express.co.uk they needed "a perception of the terrain" and to understand the morphology of the landscape."​

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Map showing Geoglyph distribution in the Amazon
Dr Ranzi explained "the geometrical figures begin to show up" when developers started 'slash and burn' farming in vast swathes of the rainforest in the 1970s. He said: "Much of the Amazon is not and was not pristine forest. Just like today, the ancient inhabitants of the Amazon were able to modify and adapt the landscape to meet their needs for food, housing and security."

However today's developers pose a huge risk to both rainforest, our wider planet - and the henges of the Amazon that Dr Ranzi was the first to identify. He now hopes to secure recognition by UNESCO as a World Heritage Site - and prevent their destruction.

He told us: "It is a legacy of ancient Amazonian civilization that needs to be preserved. For that, we are asking friends and scholars for help and support on the subject."

"Destroying the Amazonian Geoglyphs even before they are studied would be a tragedy for the humanity. It would be the same as destroying a Picasso, or a Michelangelo - or even a Machu Picchu, or the Mayan or Egyptian Pyramids."
******************************************************​

So, who built these geoglyphs? Was it the ancestors of the Amerindian tribes who still live in the Amazon Rainforest today or some long lost civilisation? As I have mentioned in earlier posts, many of the Megalithic and Neolithic monuments found in Western Europe and the Mediterranean have been linked with giants, this includes Stonehenge, the monuments of Malta and ancient stone structures in Sardinia. Is there any evidence of giants in South America to whom these Amazonian geoglyphs could be linked? Well yes there is?

In my earlier post on The Epic Voyage of Meritaten, I mentioned that there was evidence for red-headed giants with large elongated skulls having being found in Peru (ref. the Paracas skulls whose DNA has been linked to the Middle East and to Scotland). I ventured that these could have been members of the giant red-haired Tuatha de Danann who had set off from Egypt/Canaan with Princess Meritaten's party but subsequently left the main group to head first for the Canary Islands and then on to South America where they migrated up the Amazon river to Peru. Perhaps some of them stayed in the Amazon Rainforest and constructed these geoglyphs, the oldest of which date back to at least 1,000 BC. Meritaten's era is normally dated to the mid-14th Century B.C., hence only a few centuries before the oldest of these structures were constructed. It is interesting to note that during Portuguese explorer Ferdinand Magellan's famous voyage of circumnavigation of the globe in the 1520's, the Italian chronicler Antonio Pigafetta who sailed with Magellan relates how the crew encountered tall giants in what is now Patagonia in Argentina one of whom joined them but sadly died not long afterwards. These giants were meant to be twice the size of an average European of the time, making them around 11 ft tall, which coincidentally is the same size as the C's gave for the Kantekkian/Anunnaki giants or hybrids - A: Page 33. Blond and blue-eyed, of course! Before genetic alteration, one branch stood eleven feet tall. There is no doubt there could have been some exaggeration at play here but then in 1615, the Dutch circumnavigators Willem Schouten and Jacob Le Maire found graves containing human bones on the Patagonian shores… bones of beings which appeared to be ten or eleven feet tall… Today, these accounts are dismissed as fanciful tales with experts suggesting that the people Magellan's crew encountered were in reality the indigenous Tehuelche tribe, a Mapudungun word meaning ‘Fierce People’, who were known to have been about 4 inches taller than the average European of the time. So, you might argue 'nothing to see here' where giants are concerned save that we have the mystery of the Paracas skulls and extant Spanish colonists' accounts of encounters with giants in Peru in the 17th century.

Even if these 16th and 17th century European claims for the existence of giant humans in South America cannot be sustained or proven at this remove in time, there is another possibility as regards the presence of giants in the Amazon Rainforest who could have built these ancient geoglyphs and that is one proposed by the C's themselves:

Session 10 December 1994:

Q: (L) Was there an ancient advanced civilization located in the area we now call Antarctica?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What was the name of this civilization?

A: Gor.

Q: (L) What kind of individuals lived in Gor?

A: 18 feet tall.

Q: (L) Were they humanoid and did they look like us?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Were they male and female like us?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And did they have space travel capabilities?

A: No interest.

Q: (L) Are there any remains of their civilization left?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Did they only inhabit Antarctica?

A: No.

Q: (L) Did they inhabit the whole world?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Are there any remains in Florida?

A: No.

Q: (L) Where might the remains be found

A: South America.

Q: (L) Where in South America?

A:
Amazon. Ancient legend of Amazons.


So, could it have been the remnants of the Gor, the legendary Amazons, who constructed these numerous stone geoglyphs in the Amazon Rain Forest?

If the South American Gor giants lay behind the legend of the Amazons, then it is rather strange and difficult to explain how the legend should have surfaced in Europe in the age of classical Greece an ocean and a sea away.

In Greek mythology, the Amazons were a race of women warriors. The story of the Amazons probably originated as a variant of a tale recurrent in many cultures, that of a distant land organised opposite to one’s own. The ascribed habitat of the Amazons necessarily became more remote as Greek geographic knowledge developed. When the Black Sea region was colonised by Greeks, it was first said to be the Amazon district, but when no Amazons were found there, it was necessary to explain what had become of them.

Traditionally, one of the 12 labours required of the Greek hero Heracles (Hercules) was leading an expedition to obtain the girdle of Hippolyte, the queen of the Amazons, during which he was said to have conquered and expelled them from their district. Penthesilea also led an army of Amazons to fight for Troy against the Greeks, but she was killed by Achilles, who later mourned her.
In another tale, the hero Theseus attacked the Amazons either with Heracles or independently. The Amazons in turn invaded Attica but were finally defeated, and at some point Theseus married one of them, Antiope. In Hellenistic times the Amazons were associated with Dionysus (the god of wine), either as his allies or, more commonly, as his opponents.

As with Homer's tales of the Trojan War, the legend of the Amazons may have been inherited by the classical age Greeks from their distant ancestors. Could the legend have even dated back to Atlantean times I wonder?

According to some accounts, the Amazon River was so named by the 16th-century Spanish explorer Francisco de Orellana for the fighting women he claimed to have encountered on what was previously known as the Marañon River.

And the legend of the Amazons lives on today in the comic book character of Diana Prince otherwise known as Wonder Woman, an Amazon princess from Paradise Island, a secluded island set in the middle of a vast ocean (Hmmm ... should this really be Antarctica?)
I don't know if the C's have ever expounded further on the Amazons. I am certainly not aware that they have. However, other evidence for a large scale, advanced civilisation existing within the Amazon Rain Forest has certainly been emerging in recent years. One proponent of this theory is English writer and researcher Graham Hancock.​

Archaeologist says Amazon rainforest a man-made garden planted by vast lost civilisation​

Story by Max Channon

Controversial journalist and author Graham Hancock has suggested the Amazon rainforest was shaped by people using knowledge handed down to them by an advanced ancient civilization. Netflix has just scheduled the release of a second season of Hancock's series Ancient Apocalypse.

The first season of Ancient Apocalypse proposed human civilization was restarted after the last ice age by the survivors of an advanced civilisation that was all but destroyed by a cataclysm. It was branded the "most dangerous show on TV" by The Guardian's Stuart Heritage, who claimed the show "seems to exist solely for conspiracy theorists". [MJF: Unfortunately for Stuart Heritage, the C's seem to back Hancock for they have said that the Amerindian civilisations of Central and South America were the descendants of Atlantean survivors.]

This new series will explore Hancock's theory that Indigenous American cultures inherited a legacy of advanced scientific knowledge and sophisticated spiritual beliefs from a lost civilisation. Hancock advanced this claim in his 2019 book 'America Before: The Key to Earth's Lost Civilisation'.


Hancock suggested that the Amazon rainforest is not entirely natural - and that it was, in fact, shaped by a 'lost' ancient civilisation from the ice age. Hancock points to the existence of huge earthworks and terra preta soil - a 5,000-year-old man-made fertile 'dark earth' - as evidence for this.

These claims have been supported, in part at least, by Ed Barnhart, an American archaeologist and explorer who specialises in ancient civilisations of the Americas. Speaking to computer scientist and podcaster Lex Fridman, Barnhart - who appears in the trailer for the new season of 'Ancient Apocalypse' - defended Hancock.

He described Hancock as "smart" and a "very good researcher". Barnhart said: "I think that he's very well-read, in fact, better read than a lot of my colleagues, but his conclusions I disagree with."

Barnhart agreed with Hancock's claims that the Amazon rainforest was planted by a lost civilisation. However, he told Fridman he disagreed with Hancock regarding the antiquity of this lost civilisation - and how advanced it may or may not have been.

When asked if he thought there were "lost civilisations in the history of humans on Earth which we don't know anything about", Barnhart - who is the founder and Director of the Maya Exploration Center - said: "Yes I do. And, in fact we, have found some civilisations that we had no idea about just in my lifetime.

"We've got Gobekli Tepe [an enigmatic 12,000 year old site in Turkey] and we've got the stuff that's going on in the Amazon and there are some other less startling things that we had no idea existed and push our dates back and give us whole new civilisations we had no idea about. So yeah, it's happened."

Asked if he believed there was a lost civilisation in the Amazon that the rainforest "has eaten up" and hidden evidence of, Barnart replied: "Yes I do. We're beginning to find it.

"There are these huge what we call geoglyphs, these mound groups that are in geometric patterns. I think that the average Joe when they hear the word civilisation they think of something that looks like Rome and I don't think we're ever going to find anything that looks like Rome in the Amazon." [MJF: Who knows that we won't given how current satellite imaging is revolutionising archaeology and revealing sites that once contained sophisticated structures that have previously eluded archaeologists working on the ground. My advice would be to keep looking!]

Talking about the ideas espoused by Hancock, Fridman asked Barnhart: "He's proposed it's possible that the Amazon jungle is sort of a man-made garden, so it was planted there by an advanced ancient civilisation. Is there any degree to which that could be possible?"

Barnhart replied: "Frankly, I agree with him... It's the conclusion part that we differ from, sure, but the facts that he's basing that on are tera pretta, are the huge geometric earthworks - there are ever-increasing evidence of them.

"They're everywhere. Every time we open up the jungle we find these big works. So yes, there was a vast civilisation that was there. How advanced they were is a question - and also, you know, a perspective thing."

Barnhart, however, does not support Hancock's theory that a lost civilisation from the last ice age 'seeded' all of the world's civilisations. He said: "We could have the story wrong, but one thing we're real good at is finding stuff. [MJF: We know from the C's that Atlantean survivors and their descendants did emerge in different parts of the world to reboot civilisation at different times and at different rates.]

"I mean, we find fish scales - so I find it just too big a pill to swallow that there was a civilisation that was that technologically advanced and that large, that we can't even find a pot shard from."

Professor John W Hoopes directs the Global Indigenous Nations Studies Program at the University of Kansas. He agrees that the Amazon rainforest was shaped by the actions of human hands thousands of years ago - but he says they were the hands of sophisticated indigenous farmers.

A specialist in pre-Hispanic indigenous cultures in Latin America, Hoopes is a long-term critic of Hancock's work. He exclusively explained to The Express why he finds the phrase 'advanced ancient civilisation' "highly problematic".

"The word 'advanced' is a legacy of Victorian-era unilineal cultural evolution, the notion that cultures advance along a trajectory from savagery to civilisation," said Hoopes. "They don't. It's far more complicated than that.

"'Civilisation' can be summarised in two words: 'like us'. If there is something in a culture that we can recognize as being like ourselves, we are willing to bestow upon them the identity of 'civilisation'.​

"The term has become practically meaningless in archaeology. It is also used to sensationalise."

Regarding ancient agriculture in the Amazon, Hoopes told The Express: "The ancient people of Amazonia used 'terra preta' - black earth technology - to convert heavily weathered, tropical soils into fertile, carbon and nutrient-rich soils that were extremely fertile. This was done over an extensive territory along the Amazon and its tributaries.

"The rich biodiversity of Amazon rainforest habitats today is due in large part to the high fertility of anthropogenic [human made] soils created over millennia by Indigenous farmers of South America. When their populations declined dramatically as a result of pandemics and genocide that followed European colonisation [MJF: How can he be sure those processes were not already operative even before the first Europeans arrived? Moreover, the C's suggested that most of the Mayans in Central America had been taken off planet by the 4D Lizards at some stage. Could the same fate have occurred to the Amerindians of the Amazon Rainforest?], the rainforest rebounded, growing even more luxuriantly, because of the high fertility of these human-enhanced soils.

"Those anthropogenic black earth soils were created gradually and over many generations and thousands of years. Another method of agricultural enhancement was raised and drained fields - camellones or waru waru - used to convert wetlands into fertile farmlands. These also became quickly and densely overgrown when they were abandoned due to population decline.​

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You will note that the C's confirmed that the Gor giants were an ancient advanced civilisation who once occupied the Amazon. So, is it possible that the Gor were the first to create the rich biodiversity of the Amazon Rainforest that exists today and did the Amazon Amerindians inherit their legacy?
There are only three films where I left the theater with a deep sense of recognition and a certain emotion similar to deja vu, and shock, thinking there's something else here.

Immortals, The Matrix and Wonder Woman.

When I saw the Amazons on their island in the film I had a tremendous surge of nostalgia.

Very interesting post.
 
I have not posted on this thread for a while mainly because I have been posting on the recent transcripts and other threads as well. However, this does not mean I have run out of material as I still have a lot of things I would like to bring to your attention. This includes trying to finish my revelations about Abbe Berenger Sauniere and the real mystery of Rennes-le-Chateau, where this mysterious priest had certain dark buried secrets (literally in one case) that should be brought to light. However, I would first like to put the record straight as far as the serious car crash I was involved in in late September 2023 that came very close to killing me.

I had wondered whether the man who drove across my path that fateful day had been under the influence of alcohol at the time, since he was returning from a wedding reception that had been held earlier that afternoon/evening. It is a rare bird who does not drink at a wedding. The week before last, I attended an inquest hearing into the circumstances of his death. The first thing I would mention is that I was exonerated of all blame for the accident as the coroner concluded that the collision was beyond my control. However, it also emerged that there was no indication that the other driver had any alcohol in his system at the time of the crash and his son, who was present, averred that his father rarely, if ever, drank. There was some forensic discussion that he could have been affected by morphine medication, which he had been prescribed for pain relief but this was not felt to be an attributable factor in causing the accident. Hence, my apologies to him for insinuating that he may have been under the influence of alcohol.

The coroner reached a verdict that the driver, for reasons unknown, had pulled out into the path of oncoming traffic from a side road and thus caused his death by misadventure. However, one piece of evidence did make me think if there could have been other influences at work here. Please note this is purely conjecture on my part. It transpired that two other drivers who had followed the victim along the side road leading up to the junction where the collision occurred testified that he had been driving unduly slowly and at one point had made an unexpected stop in the road for no good reason (it was not to read a map since evidence indicates that he was quite familiar with that road). This makes me wonder whether he was driving in an alpha state, which we know from the transcripts can make you vulnerable to external influence by STS forces. When he drove out from the junction he was witnessed to have driven very slowly and one witness even claimed he had stopped in the middle of the highway. Granted he was 89 years old and may have been confused by the road layout which had no street lighting, but he was by all accounts considered to have been a safe driver. So, the question I am left wondering about is whether he could he have been placed in an hypnotic trance that led him to drive unduly slowly down a road he was familiar with and out into the path of an oncoming car that he had seemingly not registered on his internal radar. There is a precedent for this suggestion and that is the crash Laura had that left her badly injured and in need of prolonged remedial treatment. I can't find the extract from the relevant session but I recall that the C's said that the driver who crashed into her had been placed in an hypnotic trance by STS forces, presumably with a view to killing Laura.

Could this have been the same case with me? Who knows. The court was told that the driver had adequate eyesight for driving at night, although I know from my elderly father's experience in later life that he increasingly struggled to cope with the "dazzle" effect of drivers' headlights late at night as he grew older (the accident occurred around 20.15 hours). I discovered that the police later conducted tests to work out how much reaction time he should have had at the junction to spot my car coming from his right side. They calculated that he should have had at least 12 seconds. This doesn't sound much but is quite a long time when sitting at a junction. However, it was estimated that he pulled out in front of me when I was only 100 yards or so away from him and I was going at close to 60 mph before I started to brake hard to avoid hitting him. I have since seen dash cam footage taken from inside his own vehicle, which in real time is horrendous to view and was in all honesty quite a harrowing experience for me. He never really gave himself a chance.

So, both the court and I were left with a mystery, one which may never be solved. I took the opportunity though to convey my sincere condolences to his son who attended the hearing, which was no doubt a great ordeal for him. The only upside to the collision (which occurred in what is something of an accident black spot it transpires) is that the layout of the junction has now been altered to try and make it safer for motorists.​
 
I have not posted on this thread for a while mainly because I have been posting on the recent transcripts and other threads as well. However, this does not mean I have run out of material as I still have a lot of things I would like to bring to your attention. This includes trying to finish my revelations about Abbe Berenger Sauniere and the real mystery of Rennes-le-Chateau, where this mysterious priest had certain dark buried secrets (literally in one case) that should be brought to light. However, I would first like to put the record straight as far as the serious car crash I was involved in in late September 2023 that came very close to killing me.

I had wondered whether the man who drove across my path that fateful day had been under the influence of alcohol at the time, since he was returning from a wedding reception that had been held earlier that afternoon/evening. It is a rare bird who does not drink at a wedding. The week before last, I attended an inquest hearing into the circumstances of his death. The first thing I would mention is that I was exonerated of all blame for the accident as the coroner concluded that the collision was beyond my control. However, it also emerged that there was no indication that the other driver had any alcohol in his system at the time of the crash and his son, who was present, averred that his father rarely, if ever, drank. There was some forensic discussion that he could have been affected by morphine medication, which he had been prescribed for pain relief but this was not felt to be an attributable factor in causing the accident. Hence, my apologies to him for insinuating that he may have been under the influence of alcohol.

The coroner reached a verdict that the driver, for reasons unknown, had pulled out into the path of oncoming traffic from a side road and thus caused his death by misadventure. However, one piece of evidence did make me think if there could have been other influences at work here. Please note this is purely conjecture on my part. It transpired that two other drivers who had followed the victim along the side road leading up to the junction where the collision occurred testified that he had been driving unduly slowly and at one point had made an unexpected stop in the road for no good reason (it was not to read a map since evidence indicates that he was quite familiar with that road). This makes me wonder whether he was driving in an alpha state, which we know from the transcripts can make you vulnerable to external influence by STS forces. When he drove out from the junction he was witnessed to have driven very slowly and one witness even claimed he had stopped in the middle of the highway. Granted he was 89 years old and may have been confused by the road layout which had no street lighting, but he was by all accounts considered to have been a safe driver. So, the question I am left wondering about is whether he could he have been placed in an hypnotic trance that led him to drive unduly slowly down a road he was familiar with and out into the path of an oncoming car that he had seemingly not registered on his internal radar. There is a precedent for this suggestion and that is the crash Laura had that left her badly injured and in need of prolonged remedial treatment. I can't find the extract from the relevant session but I recall that the C's said that the driver who crashed into her had been placed in an hypnotic trance by STS forces, presumably with a view to killing Laura.

Could this have been the same case with me? Who knows. The court was told that the driver had adequate eyesight for driving at night, although I know from my elderly father's experience in later life that he increasingly struggled to cope with the "dazzle" effect of drivers' headlights late at night as he grew older (the accident occurred around 20.15 hours). I discovered that the police later conducted tests to work out how much reaction time he should have had at the junction to spot my car coming from his right side. They calculated that he should have had at least 12 seconds. This doesn't sound much but is quite a long time when sitting at a junction. However, it was estimated that he pulled out in front of me when I was only 100 yards or so away from him and I was going at close to 60 mph before I started to brake hard to avoid hitting him. I have since seen dash cam footage taken from inside his own vehicle, which in real time is horrendous to view and was in all honesty quite a harrowing experience for me. He never really gave himself a chance.

So, both the court and I were left with a mystery, one which may never be solved. I took the opportunity though to convey my sincere condolences to his son who attended the hearing, which was no doubt a great ordeal for him. The only upside to the collision (which occurred in what is something of an accident black spot it transpires) is that the layout of the junction has now been altered to try and make it safer for motorists.​
Wow, this mini documentary is giving more than amazing details I stopped at this particular point in the interview 00:41:05 where Laura explains that about the progression of her learning on these subjects what she assumes the Grail quest is the "archetypal" quest thus explaining about sangreal (descent/lineage), a chalice and thus can be categorized with different variations like a stone, a bowl, etc. Then she says that the Cassiopeians told her that she would see the Grail and she declares that after a progression of 10 years in the study of different things like the electric universe and plasma phenomena she managed to see it surely in the sky and she is not the only one, many people have seen several plasma phenomena in the sky.
 
Thank goodness I have never experienced a fatal crash but I have no doubt that such would remain with you for quite some time haunted with the usual questions of what you could have done differently.
I stand to be tarred and feathered to say that anyone over 80 should be examined every year, not just on their eyesight, but on their physical reactions. No exceptions!!
At 71 I now struggle at night time since they changed the street lighting from yellow to white light. Sinful waste of money. My husband, at 75, will not drive any more in the dark as he just can't see.
So glad you are still here MJF. How is your female relation doing, has she found anything that gives relief from her contaminated water incident.? She is still in my prayers.
 
Thank goodness I have never experienced a fatal crash but I have no doubt that such would remain with you for quite some time haunted with the usual questions of what you could have done differently.
I stand to be tarred and feathered to say that anyone over 80 should be examined every year, not just on their eyesight, but on their physical reactions. No exceptions!!
At 71 I now struggle at night time since they changed the street lighting from yellow to white light. Sinful waste of money. My husband, at 75, will not drive any more in the dark as he just can't see.
So glad you are still here MJF. How is your female relation doing, has she found anything that gives relief from her contaminated water incident.? She is still in my prayers.
Thank you for your kind comments. Yes, it has been hard to live with since you are left thinking what could I have done differently. I sometimes wish I could have been going a bit slower but I was advised that I was not exceeding the speed limited. Even at a slower speed, it may have made no difference. I must say the police were very sympathetic as was the coroner at the hearing. However, I felt the grief of the son who attended the inquest since his mother has been left desolated by the loss of her husband. I had a quick word with him after the proceedings to let him know I knew exactly what his mother was going through as I had seen the same the same thing with my own mother, who has never got over my father's death nearly eight years ago. Grief really is the price of love. My own father had stopped driving in his late eighties since he had almost caused a similar crash when he pulled out in front of oncoming traffic. He had the sense to recognise that his reactions were no longer up to it. The funny thing was that earlier that day I was just about to come out of a junction myself whilst driving with my son on what was a country road and a blind bend, when I suddenly I hit my brakes hard as a car whipped around the corner at great speed. Fortunately my quick reactions saved me. Perhaps STS forces were really out to get me that day and had two bites at the cherry. Who knows :-).

Thank you for asking after my sister in Seattle. She has been back in hospital briefly since I last wrote about her but is back home with her husband at the moment. A major problem she faces is that she can quickly build up fluid in her lung or under her heart unless her fluid intake is carefully balanced, which is not a straight forward matter by any means. She has also developed a nasty bed sore on her back, which has been slow to heal. She really has had a wretched time of it for the last 12 months or more. Thank you for keeping her in your prayers. We here at home pray for her every day too. She has cheated death on several occasions in the recent past and this may be down to people's prayers, so all prayers for her are certainly welcome.​
 
As we have looked at stone circles from around the world in recent posts, I thought I would include a quick look at Russia's most famous stone circle, which is located in a place called Arkaim. I would especially invite comments from Russian Forum members who may have more information on this most interesting ancient structure. Apart from the structure itself, there is also a mystery surrounding the skeleton of a woman found in a grave there by archaeologists. The woman's skull appears to be elongated, which could be explained away by infant skull binding practices by the local indigenous tribe in that area. However, the skull shows no tell tale signs of head binding, nor does it have the normal occipital sutures you would expect to see if it were the normal human skull of a mature adult. Could this again be an indication of the presence of the hybrid elongated-skull race that seems to have occupied at various times, Egypt, Canaan, Peru, Malta and parts of Western Europe and Scandinavia with Queen Nefertiti of Egypt and her children being prime examples of the same? Below you will find a picture of the stone circle at Arkaim and the skull in question. I am also including an article I came across online which deals with the discovery of the strange skull, which is evidently translated from the original Russian. You will also find a link to a brief YouTube video discussing the find.​

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"Ancient Alien" Found Under Russia's Stonehenge?​

Published on Jul 27, 2017
See: "Ancient Alien" Found Under Russia's Stonehenge?

President Putin recently visited one of the most mysterious places on planet Earth.
The ruins of the ancient town of Arkaim.
Historians, archaeologists and ufologists, have spent many years trying to unravel the secrets of this place.
Which nation was living in Arkaim more than 40 centuries ago?
How did people of such ancient civilization manage to accomplish the incredible technological progress unearthed there?
The Arkaim valley was supposed to be flooded in 1987, local authorities were intending to create a water reservoir there to irrigate drought prone agriculture.
However, scientists found strange ancient circles in the centre of the valley, authorities gave archaeologists 12 months to explore the area…
Scientists were shocked at what they discovered…
However, it is not the unusual earth works that have attracted investigators, but rather, what was recently discovered beneath…
A discovery which has seen several renowned, alien investigators, rushing to this remote, and forgotten slice of the Russian landscape, in search of the undeniable proof that we are not alone.
Known as the Russian Stonehenge, it too, is a vast and ancient enigma, a puzzling structure with a unknown original purpose.
Its age, or indeed its builders remain unknown.
Researcher Maria Makurova and her team, were able to unearth a remarkably well-preserved skeleton in the ground beneath the site.
However, it soon became evident that this was no normal skeleton…
And although the research team have attempted to disagree, with the clear possibility of it not actually being human remains…
Choosing to suspect that the skeleton somehow belonged to a woman from the Sarmati tribe, which lived in what is now Ukraine, Southern Russia, and Kazakhstan about 2,000 years ago.
It unfortunately appears that this is an attempt to discredit the real possible value of these remains, this, being a logical move by all professional researchers funded by an academia, which would not appreciate such honest, and clearly forgivable assumptions based on current evidence being publicly disclosed.
For example, firstly, the Sarmatia tribe may have practiced head binding, however this practice is largely believed to have been located in other parts of the world, and the lack of any additional finds within the tribe supporting this assumption, would seem this is a deceptive conclusion to arrive at.

Additionally, when head binding was undertaken, unmistakable evidence of such, is left upon the skull.
Deformed cranial knapping, the stitching of the skull, will not appear normal, yet alas, the stitching will always be present and easily identifiable.
Though astonishingly, this skull clearly shows no evidence of binding on the photographs, what's more, and perhaps more pressing is the lack of any cranial stitching visible what soever…
This stitching of the skull plates is part of human growth, we all have them yet this skeleton does not.
What do you think regarding the find, an abnormal tribe member, buried beneath an extremely ancient, mysterious site?
Or something else entirely…?

See also:

Comments appreciated.
 
As we have looked at stone circles from around the world in recent posts, I thought I would include a quick look at Russia's most famous stone circle, which is located in a place called Arkaim.
Gaby also had a post on this place from back in 2018.

From here, they say the skull is 2,000 years old while the Arkaim site is 4,000.

Here is one of the archeologist speaking of the skull, who had applied the spade during the site uncovering.


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Gaby also had a post on this place from back in 2018.

From here, they say the skull is 2,000 years old while the Arkaim site is 4,000.

Here is one of the archeologist speaking of the skull, who had applied the spade during the site uncovering.


Edit: fixed link
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. I am not surprised that it was picked up by another Forum member before as it is certainly a noteworthy discovery. I can understand why archaeologists would like to rule out the alien origin theory for the woman's skull. I would discount this theory too. However, the C's have said that all humans are hybrids in essence and we all carry the DNA of earlier species of hominids such as Neanderthal or Denisovan. It is possible that the Sarmatians of this woman's era practised infant skull binding, although others have argued there is no evidence to support this. What is difficult to argue against though is the issue of whether or not there is any occipital suture running down the skull plate, which is universal amongst human adults. The natural process of closing the skull plate is normally completed by the age of 35. Moreover, pathologists can always detect evidence of infant skull binding. The brief video you kindly attached does not deal with this matter at all and the presenter just asks us to assume the skull is the product of skull binding in infancy. He could be right of course but then he might also be trying to sweep the matter under the carpet.

What the archaeologists never seem to want to get to grips with though is the question why mothers amongst primitive peoples even to this day should want to mutilate their young children by binding their heads in order to produce a deformed, elongated skull. It offers no obvious advantages, since an elongated skull produced this way does not mean that the person will have a larger brain. Clearly, it is intended to imitate something or someone. Many ancient astronaut theorists too quickly jump to the conclusion that it is an attempt to imitate the alien gods who supposedly walked amongst us - alien greys, for example, who are usually depicted with enlarged heads. However, I would tend instead to the theory that if they are imitating anyone, it is the human hybrids who had unusually large, elongated skulls such as those found at Paracas in Peru or on Malta who may have been viewed as royalty and superior beings by the local natives. Unlike those who owed their elongated skulls to infant head binding, these individuals would have had naturally larger brain capacities that would have made them far more intelligent. This much greater intelligence together with their striking appearance might have made them seem other worldly to the native populations they found themselves living amongst, which in turn may be the reason why native women began the tradition of infant skull binding so that their children would grow up to resemble these god-like beings and thus have more prestige within the tribe.

The Arkaim skull also puts me very much in mind of the elongated head of Princess Meritaten, Queen Nefertiti's daughter, a contemporary bust of which is now on display in the Berlin Museum.
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And we know from the C's that her mother was a hybrid who appeared to have emerged from an underground base of the subterranean Aryan civilisation as a "deep level punctuator" according to the C's:
Q: I do want to ask about this head of Tutankhamen [Meritaten's brother]: why was his head so extremely elongated, as well as the heads of the other members of that family?

A: Trace gene.

Q: Where did the trace gene come from?

A: Last "call."

Q: The last visit of the Nephilim?

A: Close enough.

Q: Did the gene come through Akhenaten or Nefertiti?

A: One sound like nephilim, or your "Nefilim."


Q: So, Nefertiti. Where did Nefertiti come from? She is a BIG mystery. I had been formulating the idea that she was Sarai, the wife of Abraham, and the whole story about the pharaoh of Egypt stealing Abraham's wife and this caused an "affliction" was really the story of the marriage of Nefertiti to Akhenaten and explained his peculiar physical characteristics. Supposedly Abraham's wife was very beautiful, and the name "Nefertiti" is supposed to mean "A Beautiful Woman Has Come," and that sort of fits. Nobody seems to know where she came from... or who she was. Then, she disappeared from history; nobody has ever found her body or the body of Ankhenaten. It's just such a big mystery. Where did she come from?

A: We will let you search some more.

And:

Q What was the reason for the strange skull shape of Nefertiti and her family?
A: Genetic tweak.
Q: Was this 4th density genetic tweak done by STS or STO?
A: STS


And:

A: The lines blur. Rothchilds are similar in a smaller way to Sargon. Deep level punctuator.

Q: (L) What is a deep level punctuator?

A: One who emerges from seeming obscurity to "make a mark" on history. Don't you wonder where they come from. Think "deep."

Q: As in underground bases?

A: Well, what a concept!


Q: (L) Is this where Helen came from? [MJF: Helen being Nefertiti]

A: Yes

Elsewhere, the C's told Laura that Nefertiti was an Hittite/Levite like Abraham/Moses. Since the C's said that all human types within the subterranean civilisation were Aryans, originally deriving from Kantek, this leads me to wonder whether the genetic tweak that applied to Nefertiti was something STS forces had carried out in the underground bases or whether it had originally been engineered on Kantek prior to its destruction, perhaps as far back as 130,000 years ago:

Session 23 August 2001:
Q: (L) Once before you talked about the "mission destiny profile prior encoding" of the Semitic genetic code structure. Of course, you talked about this being done 130,000 years ago, so that's a long time. But, was that original code structure put into the genetic code of the Black peoples...
A: Yes.
Q: ... to then be spread via their mixture with Aryans - as Semites - into other races?
A: Partly.
Q: (L) What is the other part?

A: Genetic tweaking of Semites.

Session 20 October 2005:

Q: (Galahad) In reading through the transcripts in the 9/11 book, I was confused about the genetic tweak that was made 130,000 years ago. Was that a tweak that was done to all the Semites, so it wasn’t only the Jews?

A: Question is what is a Semite?

Q: (Galahad) You make a remark that this thing with Hitler goes off planet. So was this something that was going on on Kantek before it exploded?

A: Yes.

Q: (Galahad) Did the Semites have a significant role in the collapse of Atlantis?

A: Indeed!

Q: (Galahad) So, when we’re looking at a replay, we’re REALLY looking at a replay!

A: Yup.

Q: (Discussion of who are the Semites) (Galahad) So the real Semites are the Aryans?

A: You got it!


As I mentioned in an earlier post, the writer Joseph Farrell cited research in one of his books that proved that the Jewish priestly line of the Levites had a unique DNA even in comparison to fellow Jews today and this seemed to indicate a genetic deviation (tweak?) that had occurred perhaps as far back as 140,000 years ago - close enough for horseshoes as the C's might say. This leads one to ponder whether the Hittite/Levites, from which the Jewish priestly line is drawn, were the large, elongated skull hybrids who emerged from this genetic tweak, as exemplified by Nefertiti and perhaps Abraham/Moses too (see below). But the C's also mentioned that where the genetic tweak which produced the elongated heads of Nefertiti's children was concerned, this was linked to a trace gene that stemmed from the Nephilim. This leads me to wonder whether 130,000 years ago on Kantek, 4D STS sought to create Nephilim hybrids from amongst the Kantek Aryan/Celt population, as they would do on Earth eons later (think of the giants of Baalbek here), some of whom survived first the destruction of Kantek and then the biblical flood, which represented the destruction of Atlantis, by going underground only to emerge in biblical times. Was it these Nephilim hybrids who played a large part in the destruction of Atlantis in the same way that the psychopaths amongst the world's population today are currently bringing us to the edge of destruction even as I write? Did the scaled-down offspring of these Nephilim hybrids, with their elongated heads, diffuse throughout the ancient world emerging in lands as diverse as Peru, Turkey, the Middle East (including Canaan), Malta, France and Germany (as the Merovingian Franks), Scandinavia and now possibly Russia? Was it they who were responsible for the construction of many of the Neolithic stone circles we see today in the British Isles, Western Europe, Malta, the Middle East, Russia and elsewhere?

Can we also conclude that Abraham/Moses, the husband of Nefertiti/Sarah, was also one of these Nephilim hybrids with an elongated skull:​

Session 19 April 1997:

Q: Am I correct in my assessment that the origin of the Grail stories was the story of the Head of Bran?

A: But what was the "origin" of Brahna?
[MJF: Bran = Brahna = Brahma = [A]bram = Abraham, the Brahmin caste in India being originally migratory Jews]

Q: Well, from the way I am interpreting what I have found, I have two possibilities: One is the Celts from Kantek, and two: a Nephilim hybrid.

A: Could be one and the same.

Was the "Head of Bran" (i.e., the severed head of 'Bran the Blessed'), as referred to above, in reality the pure crystal skull possessed by Abraham/Moses that had been stolen from Akhenaten by Nefertiti/Sarah in her guise as the biblical Rachel, which the Knights Templar would find over 2,500 years later in the Middle East and subsequently name "Baphomet"? Was this Head of Bran thus the legendary Grail?

 
The Lost Continent of Lemuria

I thought I would bring to your attention something I stumbled across recently, which might provide evidence of the terrible fate of the former landmass in the Pacific Ocean that was once Lemuria. This is what the C's had to say about Lemuria:

Q: (L) Where was Lemuria located?

A: Pacific off South America.

Q: (L) So when the Easter Island natives talk about their ancestors they are talking about people who came from the direction of South America?

A: No. Right near all around. Easter Island is remnant of Lemuria.

Q: (L) What happened to Lemuria?


A: Submerged close to time you refer to as Fall of Eden, approximately. [MJF: According to the C's, this would be around 320,000 years ago at the closing of the last Grand Cycle]

Before looking at possible evidence for this lost continent, I would first draw your attention to an article which discusses the theories surrounding the land of Mu, the alternative name for Lemuria.​

Lost continent in Pacific Ocean was home to advanced ancient civilisation, experts claim​

Story by Harriet Brewis​
Despite advances in science and radiocarbon-dating, there’s only so far back into the past we can look.

That means that great chapters of ancient history will likely always remain a mystery, leaving gaping holes for myth and legend to fill.

Enter the long-lost continent of Lemuria, also known as Mu – a vast landmass that, according to believers, existed in the Pacific Ocean 50,000 to 12,000 years ago. [MJF: 320,000 years ago according to the C's]

Proponents of the theory say that it stretched from Hawaii in the north to Easter Island in the southeast to Micronesia in the west.

They also posit that it was home to an advanced civilisation, called the Naacal, who built large cities across it, as well as colonies beyond its borders.

At its peak, they claim, Mu was home to some 64 million people.

However, sometime towards the end of the last Ice Age, the entire continent – and its sophisticated peoples – were consumed by a cataclysmic event. [MJF: This event was long before the end of the last Ice Age]

This disaster plunged Mu and the Nascal down to the depths of the sea, sealing their doom and blocking their entry to the annals of history.

That is, again, according to those who believe that they existed. And we should stress that there’s no real proof that they ever did.​

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A map of the mythical lost continent of Mu published in 1927 by James Churchward in 'Books of the Golden Age'
Indeed, the “Land of Mu” was first introduced to the world as a concept by British-American travel writer Augustus Le Plongeon back in the late 1800s.

He declared that several ancient civilizations, including Egypt and Mesoamerica, were created by refugees from Mu – which he located in the Atlantic Ocean, according to the blog A New Science of Everything.

Le Plongeon made the eyebrow-raising claims following his investigations of Mayan ruins in Mexico’s Yucatán region.

He announced that he had translated the first copies of the sacred Mayan book, Popol Vuh, and that in so doing, he had discovered that this ancient civilisation was older than that of Greece and Egypt.

Le Plongeon suggested that the civilisation of ancient Egypt was, in fact, founded by “Queen Moo”, a refugee from the lost continent.

Meanwhile, other refugees supposedly fled to North America, Central America, and South America, becoming the Maya.*

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MJF: According to the C's, the Maya were one of several groups of Atlantean "red-men" who escaped the destruction of Atlantis to settle in North America, Central America, and South America along with the Hopi, Pima, Inca and Aztecs:

Q: (L) Where else did the Atlanteans go?
A: Americas. Inca. Aztec. Maya. Hopi Tribe. Pima tribe.

Moreover, the writer and photographer suggested that the “Land of Mu of the Mayas” was the true identity of the mythical Island of Atlantis.

Le Plongeon’s ideas were then expanded upon by his friend, Scottish writer James Churchward in a series of books published in the late 1920s and 1930s, although, he said Mu was located in the Pacific Ocean.

Churchward claimed that “more than fifty years” earlier, while serving as a soldier in India, he befriended a high-ranking temple priest who showed him a set of ancient "sunburnt" clay tablets.

These were supposedly written in a long-lost "Naga-Maya language" which only two other people in India could read.

Churchward said he promised to restore and take care of the tablets if the priest helped him to decipher their meaning.

After learning the language from the priest, Churchward found out that the tablets originated from "the place where [man] first appeared — Mu".

Churchward allegedly claimed that the landmass measured more than 8,000 kilometres (5,000 miles) from east to west, and more than 4,820 kilometres (3,000 miles) from north to south, making it bigger than South America.

He also said that, according to the mysterious tablets, Mu "was completely obliterated in almost a single night" following a series of earthquakes and volcanic eruptions. [MJF: Note this is very similar to Plato's account of the destruction of Atlantis.]

The broken land fell into that great abyss of fire" and was covered by "fifty millions of square miles of water,” he wrote.
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The Scot argued that the entire continent was destroyed in a single night because the main mineral on the island was granite, and that this rock had formed honeycomb-style structures.

These were then filled by highly explosive gases, meaning that they collapsed on themselves following the volcanic eruptions, causing the island to crumble and sink.

So far, no evidence of the lost continent has been found on the ocean floor [MJF: This may no longer be true - see more below], but some devotees to the Mu theory believe that a tiny remnant of Nascaal culture can still be visited today.

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They point to the Nan Madol ruins in Micronesia – an incredible complex of man-made stone islands that float above a submerged coral reef.

One of the great mysteries surrounding Nan Madol is that no-one really knows who constructed it.
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However, inevitably, a number of theories exist to explain the structures’ existence.
According to one such tale, it was constructed by so-called “master builders”, who turned up one day and used a magical force to raise the blocks into the air and put them into place, almost as though they could levitate them.

Therefore, some people suggest that, as the last remaining fragment of Mu to exist above water, Nan Modal offered a snapshot of what the continent’s ancient civilisation had been capable of.

Speaking to the History Channel’sThe Unexplained’, one researcher said: “When it comes to looking for this lost continent of Mu, places like Nan Madol really do suggest that there could be much more than we realise on the bottom of the ocean.”

This, if nothing else about the story, is certainly true.
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Nan Modal is certainly an interesting place but whether it could it be a remnant of Lemuria built by Lemurians is highly doubtful. It is more likely that it was built by Lemurian descendants, like the large statues on Easter Island, in the same way that Stonehenge and the Great Pyramid complex at Giza were built by Atlantean survivors using inherited knowledge.

However, it is Churchward's claim that “The broken land fell into that great abyss of fire" which intrigues me here. This great abyss of fire reminds me of the Earth's mantle. Is there any evidence to suggest that land that was once above the surface could sunk to the mantle and lower? Well according to a recent article, there may be.
Mysterious Pacific Megastructure May Be Seafloor From Time of The Dinosaurs
Nature 1 October 2024
By Tessa Koumoundouros

Scientists have now identified a strange slice of Earth deep below the Pacific that may explain why this region is currently creating the world's fastest spreading ocean ridge – the East Pacific Rise.

Using seismic data, University of Maryland geologist Jingchuan Wang and colleagues have found ancient ocean slabs hiding deep in Earth's interior, which could be contributing to the spread, and they date back to the time of the dinosaurs. [MJF: Or perhaps much more recently than this!]

"Our discovery opens up new questions about how the deep Earth influences what we see on the surface across vast distances and timescales," says Wang.

Sending bouncing soundwaves deep into the ground to form seismic maps, Wang and team identified an odd blob of mantle moving surprisingly slow beneath the Nazca Plate that borders South America's own continental plate.

Most of Earth's volume is made up heated silicate rocks sandwiched between a cool, thin outer crust and a scorching hot core. Referred to as the mantle, this partially molten layer of minerals flows in cycles over the very slow course of tens of millions of years due to the extreme temperature differences above and below. Denser, cooler material is drawn into the warmer interior in a process called subduction.

In this area the Nazca Plate is currently subducting beneath South America, as shown in the diagram below. But on the western side of the plate is the rapidly growing ocean ridge and a hotspot of geological activity under the Easter Islands and a mysterious structural gap between the the central and eastern Pacific.
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"We found that in this region, the material was sinking at about half the speed we expected, which suggests that the mantle transition zone can act like a barrier and slow down the movement of material through the Earth," explains Wang.

The team determined this slab structure is colder and denser than the surrounding regions and it appears to be a fossilized chunk of an ancient seafloor.

"This thickened area is like a fossilized fingerprint of an ancient piece of seafloor that subducted into the Earth approximately 250 million years ago," Wang describes. "It's giving us a glimpse into Earth's past that we've never had before."

By not melting as completely as the surrounding mantle, the remnants of what had once been a Triassic ocean floor protrude deeper into the hotter mantle layers, causing the material to bulge into structures called super plumes.

The Easter hot spot is thought to sit above one of these plumes.

"Geodynamic simulations have attributed the geometry and stability of the lower mantle structures to their direct interactions with subducting slab," the team write in their paper. [For more on this see: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.ado1219]

The researchers suspect this series of anomalies, which orient from east to west, may help tell the story of the Nazca Plate, and how it has moved throughout Earth's history.

By deciphering historic traces of these ancient impacts deep within the ground, geologists can learn more about how our planet's inner workings shape the surface of our world today.

"Seeing the ancient subduction slab through this perspective gave us new insights into the relationship between very deep Earth structures and surface geology, which were not obvious before," explains Wang.

This research was published in Science Advances.

Could this fossilized chunk of an ancient seafloor, the series of anomalies, which orient from east to west, and the mysterious structural gap between the the central and eastern Pacific be evidence of what was once the lost continent of Mu or Lemuria?

However, this is not the only article to deal with the mysteries of the Pacific Ocean and it seafloor.

Planet Earth

The monstrous 'blobs' near Earth's core may be even bigger than we thought​

By Brandon Specktor
published June 18, 2020

The mysterious 'blobs' near Earth's core just got a little bigger.
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Earthquakes (stars) send seismic waves rippling through the planet. Seismometers (blue triangles) detect them on the other side. Thirty years of seismic data revealed where those seismic waves slowed down (purple and orange splotches), pointing to mysterious inner-Earth structures called ultralow-velocity zones. (Image credit: Doyeon Kim/University of Maryland)

Deep within Earth, where the solid mantle meets the molten outer core, strange continent-size blobs of hot rock jut out for hundreds of miles in every direction. These underground mountains go by many names: "thermo-chemical piles," "large low-shear velocity provinces" (LLSVPs), or sometimes just "the blobs."

Geologists don't know much about where these blobs came from or what they are, but they do know that they're gargantuan. The two biggest blobs, which sit deep below the Pacific Ocean and Africa, account for nearly 10% of the entire mantle's mass, one 2016 study found — and, if they sat on Earth's surface, the duo would each extend about 100 times higher than Mount Everest. However, new research suggests, even those lofty analogies may be underestimating just how big the blobs really are.

In a study published June 12 in the journal Science, researchers analysed the seismic waves generated by earthquakes over nearly 30 years. They found several massive, never before-detected features along the edges of the Pacific blob.

"The structures we located are … thousands of kilometers across in scale," lead study author Doyeon Kim, a postdoctoral fellow at the University of Maryland, told Live Science in an email. According to Kim, that's an order of magnitude larger than typical features found along the blob's edge.​

A map of trembling Earth

Because the blobs live deep, deep in Earth's interior, geologists can only begin to understand their shape and size by looking at the seismic waves (sound waves generated by earthquakes) that travel through them. These hot, dense regions can slow incoming waves by up to 30% relative to the surrounding mantle; the hottest, slowest regions are known as ultralow-velocity zones (ULVZs), and they typically occur near the edges of the blobs, Kim said.

In their study, Kim and his colleagues created a new map of ULVZs below the Pacific Ocean using an algorithm called "the Sequencer," which was originally developed to find patterns in stellar radiation. With this algorithm, the team analyzed 7,000 seismograms, or measures of seismic waves, collected between 1990 and 2018, created by hundreds of earthquakes of magnitude 6.5 or greater. The earthquakes occurred in Asia and Oceania, the researchers wrote; but as their seismic waves shuddered across the globe, they passed clearly through the Pacific Ocean mantle blob before reaching seismometers in the United States.

The algorithm revealed enormous sections of ULVZs never detected before, including a blobby region below the Marquesas Islands in the South Pacific Ocean, which measured more than 620 miles (1,000 kilometers) across. The Sequencer also showed that a segment of the blob deep below the Hawaiian Islands is considerably larger than previously thought.

"By looking at thousands of core-mantle boundary [seismograms] at once, instead of focusing on a few at a time, we have gotten a totally new perspective," Kim said in a statement.

The enormous size of these structures suggests that blobs along the core-mantle boundary — and particularly the hottest, densest ULVZs — are probably more widespread than previous research indicates. What's more, Kim added, the fact that these large zones lurk near known volcanic hotspots could also reveal some clues about their impact on Earth's geology.

It's possible, for example, that ULVZs deep down in the mantle could feed into the large "plumes" of hot rock in the upper mantle that create volcanic hot spots on the surface, Kim said. Those mantle plumes might "suck on" the melty material collected in ULVZs and pull it upward, which could explain why the largest ULVZs are located deep under volcanic island chains like the Hawaiian and Marquesas islands.

That's just one theory, Kim said; even with algorithms designed to pierce the void of space, the mysteries near the center of the Earth remain just as murky as ever.

"In short, everything is unsure at the moment," Kim said, "but this is what makes our field of study so exciting."

However, perhaps the most startling result of this study is a map of inner Earth (see below) showing the new ultralow-velocity zones (yellow outline) mapped through 30 years of seismic data (Image credit: Doyeon Kim/University of Maryland).

Just look at the Pacific Ocean in the globe below and note what you see in the yellow outline and then compare it with Churchward's map of Mu above. Although they are certainly not exact copies of each other, I think they may be close enough for horseshoes. It may just be an odd coincidence, of course, but then the similarity is quite startling.​
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These scientists are all uniformitarians and do not entertain the notion of sudden cataclysmic destructions such as that described by Churchward. However, through their data sets they may well have inadvertently rediscovered the lost continent of Lemuria? If so, it will be another hit for the C's.​
 
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On the thread for the recent session dated 19 October 2024, I did a few posts on the famous Gunpowder Plot of 1605, the foiling of which is celebrated every 5th November in England with fireworks and bonfires. Of course, this year it coincided with the US presidential election, a fact that was not lost on some American Forum members. However, this thread relates to Sir Francis Bacon who was a member of King James I's Parliament at the time and might have been killed if the Gunpowder Plot had succeeded.

In thanksgiving for his delivery from violent assassination, King James made a stirring speech to Parliament that was subsequently published and widely distributed after the event. Today, hardly any copies of that speech have survived. However, a very rare copy of the speech was recently discovered by an English book collector and I set out below an article that appeared in the UK's Daily Mirror Newspaper dealing with the discovery and the nature of the speech, which provide clues that suggest it could have been penned by Sir Francis Bacon.​

Rare copy of James I 'thundering' speech to parliament after Gunpowder Plot uncovered​

Story by Adam Dutton

A rare copy of a speech given to Parliament by King James I just days after the Gunpowder Plot was foiled has been unearthed by a book collector.

The first edition book discovered by Andrew Wright is believed to be one of only two written copies of the speech - made 419 years ago this weekend - left in existence.

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The incredible Shakespearian-like speech was delivered to Parliament on November 9, 1605 - five days after Guy Fawkes was arrested for trying to assassinate the King.

On November 5, 1605, Fawkes and his band of Catholic plotters attempted to kill King James I during the opening of Parliament by blowing it up using gunpowder. Fawkes was caught in the act with 36 barrels of gunpowder and arrested on November 4. He was convicted of treason and sentenced to death.

At the time, King James gave a speech to both Houses, condemning the actions of Fawkes and his co-conspirators for their ‘detestable and unheard of villainy’. He described the plot as a “thundering finne of Fire and Brimstone, from the which God hath so miraculously delivered us all.

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An illustration of Guy Fawkes at the moment of his capture
It was printed in book form at the time, but nearly every edition has since been lost, with the only known copy currently held at the library of the University of Glasgow.

Andrew believes he possesses the only privately-owned copy in the country after finding it among his library of 20,000 books in Shrewsbury, Shropshire. He said: “There is only one other copy in existence as far as I can tell. It is not only exceedingly rare, but it is unobtainable. The speech was given very shortly after the plot was discovered, so it is very important but for some reason it has never never reprinted.

“I have a library of around 20,000 books and among them I found the speech as I’ve recently began cataloguing them all. I buy most of my books at auction or through a booker seller I regularly use and I think I came into possession of this about a year or two ago.

“But as I was watching a documentary about the Gunpowder plot at the weekend, I noticed there was no mention of this speech or any of its detail. It was only when I did some research that I realised how rare it was and I think it should be shared as it is a beautifully eloquent and Shakespearean-like speech.”

The book is called ‘His Majesties Speech in this Last Session of Parliament - Together with discourse of this late intended treason’. It was printed in 1605 by publisher Robert Barker and contains six of the king’s speeches he gave that year.

In the monarch’s reaction to the gunpowder plot, the King, who reigned from 1603 to 1625, said the plot on his life had been “this great and horrible attempt”. And he said he would inflict “after due trial, severity of punishment upon those that shall be found guilty of so detestable and unheard of villainy”.

He adds: “For as it is true that no other sect of heretics ... did ever maintain by the grounds of their religion, that it was lawful, or rather meritorious to murther [sic] princes or people for quarrel of religion.

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It adds: “Yet it pleased God to deliver me, as it were from the very brinke of death, and so to purge me by my thankful acknowledgment of so great a benefite. But in this, which did so lately fall out, and which was a destruction prepared not for me alone, but for you all here that are here present. This was not a crying finne of blood, as the former, but it may well be called a roaring, nay a thundering finne of Fire and Brimstone, from the which God hath so miraculously delivered us all.
He also details how the plot was uncovered when a member of the royal court was given a letter warning him not to come to parliament. The letter was later handed to the authorities and was used to track down Fawkes.

King James said: “For if these conspirators had only been bankrupt persons or discontented upon occasion of any disgrace done unto them, this might have seemed to have been but a work of revenge but... the wretch himself in hands doth confess, that there was no cause moving him or them but merely and only religion.”

Andrew, a retired teacher and writer, added: “King James was not a particularly nice man and he did not mince his words. The speech contains certain words that are typical of the time and he is calling for thunder against these people. The whole government was absolutely shaken by this. It would have had catastrophic repercussions to the country.

“He was horrified. He said he was not only his own person that had been saved but also the Lords, the House of Commons, the judges - the whole government. We can scarcely conceive of the fear and hatred this led to and of the next two centuries of England being totally obsessed with ‘Popish Plots’.”

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Sir Francis Bacon had strongly advocated for the union of England and Scotland, which made him a significant influence toward the consolidation of the United Kingdom. The succession of Scottish King James I upon the death of Queen Elizabeth I brought Bacon into greater favour and he would be knighted by James in 1603.

However, it is the reference to the Shakespearean-like qualities of the speech that lead me to wonder whether Bacon may have had a hand in its writing. It should be recalled here that Bacon is a strong candidate for having been the real pen behind William Shakespeare's plays and I have done a number of posts on this thread, which argue for this. It is unlikely that King James would have written the speech himself, although he may have had some input into it. Hence, it is not implausible that James may have turned to a man of letters like Bacon to help him with the speech. In June 1607 (19 months after the Gunpowder Plot), Bacon would at last be rewarded with the office of Solicitor General and thus began his meteoric rise within King James's government, which culminated in him becoming Lord Chancellor (the equivalent today of Prime Minister) in 1618.

It is worth noting here that Robert Cecil, who was the man largely responsible for uncovering the plot, was Francis Bacon's cousin, since his father William Cecil, Lord Burghley, was Bacon's uncle through marriage (being married to Bacon's aunt). No doubt the king would have been aware of this relationship. Is it possible that a paranoid King James, who had just survived an assassination attempt, would have confided in only those men he could trust and count upon such as Cecil's cousin Francis Bacon, a talented lawyer and a man who had a way with words. If Bacon was the true pen behind Shakespeare's plays, the one many outside Bacon's circle who would have known this would have been Cecil who may have offered his cousin's services as a speech writer to the King. Remember also that this speech was hurriedly written and delivered only five days after the plot was uncovered. Could King James have subsequently rewarded Bacon for his services by appointing him as Solicitor General 19 months later?

All of this is mere speculation of course, but if King James' speech can be said to have Shakespearean flourishes to it, then Sir Francis Bacon would be a leading candidate (as the true Shakespeare) to have written it for him.​
 
This is interesting. The occurrence of the phrase peaked highest in about 1963 when the Blunt/Profumo Affair was going on as well as a papal succession. The other peaks were the late 1920's and about 2012. Was it some kind of a natural reaction to ordinary people's life events or a stoking of propaganda?

Check out the graph in the below linked article. I couldn't get it to embed in the post.

"Trend of a penny for the guy in printed material over time"

A Penny For The Guy - Meaning & Origin Of The Phrase




(Note: Wikipedia has this without attribution: "At 11:22 am, white smoke rose from the chimney of the Sistine Chapel, signifying the election of a new pope")
 
Wow, this mini documentary is giving more than amazing details I stopped at this particular point in the interview 00:41:05 where Laura explains that about the progression of her learning on these subjects what she assumes the Grail quest is the "archetypal" quest thus explaining about sangreal (descent/lineage), a chalice and thus can be categorized with different variations like a stone, a bowl, etc. Then she says that the Cassiopeians told her that she would see the Grail and she declares that after a progression of 10 years in the study of different things like the electric universe and plasma phenomena she managed to see it surely in the sky and she is not the only one, many people have seen several plasma phenomena in the sky.

I like to watch documentaries recently I saw one of a writer called (Patrice Chaplin) according to her she had privileged information about portals, a secret society in Girona, mysteries in the Pyrenees, rituals and practices in astral travel and about the enigma of the Grail.

Patrice shows that the Grail is related to portals but through astral travel.
 
This is interesting. The occurrence of the phrase peaked highest in about 1963 when the Blunt/Profumo Affair was going on as well as a papal succession. The other peaks were the late 1920's and about 2012. Was it some kind of a natural reaction to ordinary people's life events or a stoking of propaganda?

Check out the graph in the below linked article. I couldn't get it to embed in the post.

"Trend of a penny for the guy in printed material over time"

A Penny For The Guy - Meaning & Origin Of The Phrase




(Note: Wikipedia has this without attribution: "At 11:22 am, white smoke rose from the chimney of the Sistine Chapel, signifying the election of a new pope")
This is very interesting thank you.

As a child during the 1960's, I well remember the expression 'A Penny for the Guy' still being in use. A penny was not an insignificant coin either since in the late 19th century you could still buy a pint of beer for a penny and the price was still only 2 pennies (tuppence) prior to the First World War. And the penny still had some purchasing power even in the early 1960's when a bar of chocolate (candy) would cost 3 old pennies ("thrupence") before decimalisation in 1971 and high inflation in the 1970's hugely reduced the value of the coin.

For children today, the expression 'A Penny for the Guy' would be meaningless since they would have no frame of reference and you just don't see children with stuffed Guy Fawkes effigies hanging around streets begging for money to put towards purchasing fireworks. Moreover, the penny has all but become irrelevant as a coin due to inflation over the years. As the article states, the roots of the Guy Fawkes fireworks and bonfire tradition lies in the Gunpowder Plot, which reflected deep divisions in 17th century England between Catholics and Protestants. This religious divide continued to be relevant right into the 20th century. Whether you supported a particular football (soccer) team might at one time have depended on your religious affiliations. The age old religious rivalries (or bigotry) certainly still persist to this day when Glasgow Celtic play Glasgow Rangers in the 'Old Firm' derby (sometimes described as the Pope's Eleven versus the Billie Boys :-)). Similar divides were once true in England too when Liverpool (the Protestant team) played their local rivals Everton (the Catholic team) and Manchester City (Protestant) played Manchester United (Catholic). Indeed, the mighty Manchester United started life as a Catholic boys team. However, in England, this division based on religion has all but died out today as Christianity has been pushed more and more to the margins, regardless of denomination. Moreover since the Second Vatican Council held during the pontificate of Pope Paul VI who, as the article points out, became Pope in 1963, there has been on ongoing drive for ecumenism between the Catholic Church and other Christian denominations in an attempt to heal the religious divides of the past. Certainly in England, a lot of the old bigotries have now dissipated if not almost vanished. I suspect that as many Protestants as Catholics would have been laughing at the antics of the Irish Catholic priests in the TV show 'Father Ted' (see: Father Ted - Wikipedia).

The other factor, I think, in the decline of the old 5th November traditions is the dramatic change in the ethnic mix in England's cities since the 1960's. Mass immigration has hugely changed the demographics of most English cities - recalling here that the C's recently said that the true population of the UK was 89 million people instead of the official figure of 68 million. The bulk of this increase is almost certainly down to unrestricted immigration, much of it illegal, especially from outside of Europe. Many first, second and third generation migrant families living in England are now non-Christian. The idea that effigies of Guy Fawkes should be burned on bonfires on 5th November to reflect the fact that Guy Fawkes, a Catholic papist, tried to blow up Parliament and England's Protestant king will have little or no relevance to ethnic children from a non-Christian background living in modern England. I would suggest that they couldn't care less where the age old antagonisms between Catholics and Protestants are concerned. Children of all backgrounds love a fireworks display but they are no doubt more interested in the display itself than in the history of what lies behind it, especially if it has no current relevance to their lives.

It intrigues me though why the use of the phrase 'A Penny for the Guy' should have peaked in the years 1963 and 2012 on the graph displayed in the article. Yes, 1963 was the year of the Profumo Scandal and the election of Pope Paul VI, but why should those two unconnected events have had anything to do with a spike in the custom of collecting money for the Guy? Is it just a statistical anomaly? Could the election of a new Pope have engendered lingering antipapist sentiments among the English population? It even surprises me more though why there should have been a spike in 2012, unless people just wanted a last big blow out fearing that the world was coming to an end in fulfilment of the Mayan 2012 end date prophecy.

Any thoughts?​
 
I think the phrase is possibly something like the tweet of the canary in the coal mine.

It appears that 1963 was a pivotal year for Western Civilization and the changes were expressed in the political, economic and moral pillars upon which it rested. The loss in respect for authorities and traditions led into an era where the changes began to express themselves.

Someone more familiar with the Church and the Papacy after 1963 might be able to point out changes that reflect a move from conservative to liberal policies such as the article below indicates. The JFK assassination also happened and one result was the removal of silver from the coinage and currency after his demise. The West and the world were then on the road to fiat.


A Hinge of History​

In many ways, the Profumo Affair represented the crashing together of two eras in Britain. On one side was the old guard – an aristocratic ruling class used to having their indiscretions buried and glossed over, a paternalistic government that expected unquestioning deference from the masses.

On the other was the oncoming wave of the iconoclastic 1960s. A new generation was eager to shake off the conformity and stuffiness of the postwar years. The Beatles were topping the charts and a cultural revolution was underway. The public was no longer willing to ignore the bad behavior of their supposed betters.

In 2013 Pope Benedict resigned and was replaced by Francis. This had not occurred for hundreds of years and there were two popes existing. The wars in the middle east, financial crisis of 2008, election and policies of Obama/Biden, intrigues with Ukraine were all in their works.


Hundreds of priests, bishops and others in the church have been accused of sexual abuse dating back for decades. Pope Francis, at the February gathering, cited the "scourge" of sexual abuse and said it was the responsibility of church leaders to "confront this evil afflicting the Church and humanity."

Benedict pledged at his surprise 2013 resignation to remain “hidden from the world” and not get involved in church issues. The Vatican had no immediate comment on the letter, but it didn't sit well with many Catholics.


 
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