Amanita Muscaria a friend or a foe?
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Tomiro
Jedi
I listened to that and another one of their interviews recently. Interesting perspective, although they do talk favorably about large doses (under supervised conditions), calling it a "deep dive".
I ordered some dried Amanita, as I'll be interested in improving sleep quality at least. And try it externally for some skin condition / rash and back pain.
Thanks for that i was trying to find it.
Yeah there is that. Discernment always goes a long way. To use their jargon “my essence doesn’t find it appealing at all”
Will be interested to hear about your experience.
What they mentioned in this talk is very true- always listen to your body. I started with daily micro dose but after a week it is very sporadic now, on certain days it feels appealing and on certain days not at all.
michaelrc
Dagobah Resident
I also enjoyed the podcast. Thanks for sharing. I would like to let those with interest in this possible health benefit that I also decided to experiment with what I had determined after researching some that maybe this could be an answer to a more healthful sleep. Indeed it is at least for me. I had been taking Melatonin in all it's different forms and doses ect. I also increased in my hypertension meds (amlodipine) until I began experiencing endema. That did it for me so the search was on which led me to try mucsimol derived from the amanita muscaria mushroom. Unlike many others I'm not interested in some of the other derivatives found with in the mushroom after or before processing, mucsimol holds my interest only.
My micro dosing consists of 10grs correctly weighed out, 1 and 1/2 cups of distilled water along with 3/4 cup of lemon juice brought to a boil before adding in the bits and pieces of mushroom. Simmer for 30 minutes or more in a small pot with lid on. Remove and stain thru a sieve pressing all the juices into a container. Voila. You have your tea. . . But this would not be a tea to just sit down with and drink. At least I wouldn't it's way too potent. I micro dose a teaspoon before bed for a very relaxing goodnights sleep. Okay back to preparation. I use the heating of the water and the lemon juice for 30 mins to maximize the conversion of the ibotenic acid into mucsimol which is like l said before was my main goal. I next lowered the ph level of the mixture thru the use of the lemon juice to make sure as l can that the conversion is complete.
Now what to do with the tea mixture. You can store the mixture in the refrigerator for several days but some say it will go off after a while. What I do is I freeze the mixture in ice cube trays and pop a cube out whenever it's needed for a good night's sleep. Just melt it back into the liquid form. Each ice cube amounts to approximately 3 1/2 micro doses for me so there's about 3 nights of restful sleep in that one little ice cube.
I purchased the amanita muscaria pieces from a small mom and pop business in Colorado. They weren't on your list but they had the best prices. They even threw in a complimentary package of dried tops to show appreciation for my order
Hope I've been helpful and thank you so much for your bravery at posting what some feel is a controversial subject, it shouldn't be. Thanks again.
Just do your math properly taking care not to overdose.
Let us know how it goes.
I've been trying the tincture I purchased with zero results so far. I'm up to five drops under the tongue before bed. Not sure if I should keep increasing the dosage, I don't want to accidentally take too much (if this tincture is even effective), but I'm wondering if maybe I should switch to trying it in the morning. I don't have the time or patience to make tea.
Was thinking of ordering some caps/pieces and just weighing and eating them. Would you mind sharing the business you bought from in Colorado? I assume they ship to other states? Thanks!
michaelrc
Dagobah Resident
Here ya go:
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I believe that you get more bang for your buck if you order pieces and powder. Best to you.
They can be cleaned gently with a piece of paper towel.
I think it is the best to source AM from verified vendors. Someone who follows all the procedures properly.
worldbridger
Jedi Master
Like I posted before, my source is Amanita Dreamer, I think she is good at explaining how to learn the basics about A. Muscaria or A. Pantherina when it comes to picking/buying, drying, storing, preparing, and using the mushroom, I have no interest in "shamanic/spiritual" application.
She has many videos and articles about that, easy to understand I think.
Actually, it is best to just go to her website, but I will say something about her recommendations (all this from memory):
When buying AM, don't buy powder, they loose their potency rather quickly. Buy dried caps in vacuum sealed bags. Ask if they are from current season/year (preferably as early as possible in the season if you make your own oil/tincture/tea). If buying tinctures/oils, same again, ask from what year/season, but tinctures stays potent longer (twice ie 18-24 months) than dried caps, powder has a much shorter shelf life.
Making tea takes 20-25 min! (Don't remember the amounts, watch her videos) Take the tea and make ice cubes, practical I think.
Weight is not a good unit of measure when taking single caps due to the big difference in ibo/musc concentrations, make tea the proper way from proper dried caps. Normally vendors dry them at around 25-40 degrees Celcius, which is too low to start converting ibo to musc. According to AD, the goal is achieve 50/50 ibo/musc as a beginner before you know how you react and what you need. Simplified, Ibo gives energy, musc gives relaxation…(some want the "experience" by adding a lot of lemon and boil it for hours, making a full conversion, but destroying other substances and reduces the natural balance or perhaps "wisdom" of the mushroom).
I think fresh caps in general are 10/1 ibo/musc, drying properly (70-80 degrees Celcius in a dehydrator) converts 20-25 %, making tea the proper way converts another 20-25%. If not dried the proper way you can add juice from one lemon if following her recipe.
Cleaned use to mean by a brush, leaves, dirt etc….
worldbridger
Jedi Master
…and for those who like graphs. Btw, storing dried caps have to be cracker dry.
I can really relate to your experience @Z...
I began micro dosing after looking at baba Masha’s material when you began this thread. It’s been almost 2 weeks for me. No more than .3 grams. Anymore more is too strong and I can begin to feel psychoactive influence, which is not the point of this experiment.
My greatest giant I have been wrestling with my entire life has been my inability to see past my own problems and finding solutions for them. This always resulted in an irritation with with the world and people around me who seemed more like a bother than people I should be spending time with.
I sometimes feel a lot of physical pain due to my active lifestyle and sometimes my chronic coughing inhibits my daily tasks. This leaks into my mental state, making it difficult to focus on my thoughts. I get anxious and I start finding impulsive ways of distracting myself to avoid my responsibilities and problems that are stacked on top of my physical pain. I also have strong insecurities in the sense that I care about what people think of me.
What I have been feeling can be described as an “acceptance” of where I am. It’s been a week and 6 days. I am not perfect, not so I ever expect one thing to fix everything. The state I am in allows me to now experience my pain, but not let it overwhelm me. I still get mind chatter and sometimes negative thoughts but I can pull myself out of them MUCH easier now, the negative thought doesn’t seem to have much influence over my physical emotions anymore. I have been getting my work done at my job, a job that I see as mindless mechanical work but it pays good and supports my family well. I have been able to do my tasks as the husband of the house while also supporting tasks my wife does on a daily basis. I have been able to really see how much she does for me and actually do things for her without her asking (usually never happens). I can a much stronger access to my empathy that I have yearned for many years, without compromising my ability to protect myself emotionally and physically. I am also a lot less afraid to express what I truly feel, which has always been a challenge in my life.
I also practice Muay Thai, which this to me was one of the most impressive changes I’ve ever seen in myself. I don’t fear getting hit anymore, instead I try to see the patterns of my opponen(while getting hit) and I have had a significant stamina boost that is incomparable to anything I’ve ever reached in my life. I don’t believe it is just amanita, but the already existing lifestyle is being enhanced by it. I am on a dairy free highly carnivorous ketogenic diet, and supplement to support metabolic functions of the body, I consider myself highly active category of fitness so I don’t expect these results for everyone.
I don’t think Amanita fixes any existing problems, but instead allows you to gain stronger access to your will and what you truly want to achieve for yourself for by amplifying awareness and weakening negative emotions connections to the physical body, at least fear and anger for me. Just my perspective anyway.
Thank you for opening this thread.
how do you take yours? Eat the caps? Make the tea? tincture?
Early in the morning on an empty stomach. Dried crushed caps with water. I haven’t tried the tincture, and I don’t see a need for the tea in my case
Just a little update on my micro- dosing experiment.
So far nothing major to report. OSIT
I have settled on taking tiny dose of dry caps first thing in the morning on average 3 times a week. Always 0.36 grams - I have a thing about number 9 so I always round to it, thats all
Physically I feel pretty great but also emotionally and psychologically.
However there is caveat to this. It’s not always plain sailing…
I think since Amanita in large doses is highly dissociative herb - in micro-doses it makes you divorced from your false personality - making you face different layers of it - it kind of peels you like an onion.
This can be uncomfortable at times.
I haven’t noticed any effect on sleep - my sleep was not bad to begin with. The only change I noticed is the dreams that became really frequent and pretty wild.
So this is it so far - I am taking it very slowly and dosing erratically on average three times a week, sometimes even less. When introspective mood is too much I step back for some time.
I came across this book recently- haven’t got it yet - the premise of Christ actually being amanita sounds like baked noodles but i intend to read it with the open mind.
So far nothing major to report. OSIT
I have settled on taking tiny dose of dry caps first thing in the morning on average 3 times a week. Always 0.36 grams - I have a thing about number 9 so I always round to it, thats all
Physically I feel pretty great but also emotionally and psychologically.
However there is caveat to this. It’s not always plain sailing…
I think since Amanita in large doses is highly dissociative herb - in micro-doses it makes you divorced from your false personality - making you face different layers of it - it kind of peels you like an onion.
This can be uncomfortable at times.
I haven’t noticed any effect on sleep - my sleep was not bad to begin with. The only change I noticed is the dreams that became really frequent and pretty wild.
So this is it so far - I am taking it very slowly and dosing erratically on average three times a week, sometimes even less. When introspective mood is too much I step back for some time.
I came across this book recently- haven’t got it yet - the premise of Christ actually being amanita sounds like baked noodles but i intend to read it with the open mind.
