Are you a Narcissist?

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Compared to people I see every day and on TV I would say 4 or 5 maybe.
 
whitecoast said:
To me, going with the "we're all 7 if we're honest" route in terms of the mental disorder of narcissism trivializes and destroys the value of narcissism as a diagnostic category for classifying individuals, their temperaments, and whether they should be associated with or not. As for the interpretation of the question as "Are you STS or STO?" or "Are you selfish or altruistic?), going to 7 once again trivializes the actual distinctions between people that actually exist. We are not all equally altruistic or selfish.
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Apples and oranges. The question has nothing to do with a diagnosis of "the mental disorder of narcissism" or its status as a diagnostic category. It is a simple question, phrased without reference to NPD, used in a study to see how well answering that simple question correlates with actual measures of NPD. It turns out it does correlate. That's about it. NPD stands on its own as a pretty good way to distinguish pathological personalities. But in my view, that's a totally different issue as determining whether most people (who are NOT NPD) are vain, egotistical, and self-absorbed. (And again, that's not to say they are not other things as well, even things we might consider 'good'.)

Now, on the other hand, if the question was phrased something like, "To what extent do you agree with this statement: "I am a narcissist." (Note: narcissists are vain, self-absorbed, egotistical, lack empathy, think only of themselves, lie habitually, overrate their worth, require others to admire them, exploit people, feel entitled to what others have, behave arrogantly, and are in general real jerks")" then I'd agree with you. ;)
 
Hmmm, I'm pretty self-absorbed. I've been thinking about this lately. Obsessing about the cosmic significance of anything and everything and how it pertains to my life. It's tiring and aggravating. If I could convince myself that I aint such a big deal, I could breathe a little easier.
 
“If you are at 6 or 7, you are in the top 95 [percent]… [You] are the most narcissistic,” says Konrath.
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From this article: _http://www.today.com/health/how-spot-narcissist-only-question-you-need-ask-1D80022379

As tempting as it might be to ask our dates, friends, coworkers, children, or neighbors if they are narcissistic, knowing that the answer is likely accurate, Konrath advises against it.

“It’s not necessarily meant to categorize people outside of research,” she says, adding that we won’t find narcissists around every corner.

“Someone who is saying that [he/she is narcissistic] is pretty rare and I think that is good news.”
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In another source they say it's 6.2 percent of the population.
And they are all suddenly here, right. :halo:

M.T.
 
Maybe a 6? I don't think I am quite as vain as I use to be but it is something that I have definitely noticed about myself. I think I was the most vain and superficial (maybe in my early 20's) when I was also the most numb, lost and harsh on myself.

It is interesting how automatic a trait it can be. To this day, I'll be around someone I find attractive or whose approval I value, and I'm suddenly preoccupied by how I may be perceived by them. I might even notice this as it's happening but, suddenly I'm judging myself for it, rather than observing it for what it is. Has me wondering how much of it is really about fear-the approval seeking, vanity etc. How much I've missed out on being there for others over the years, because of not challenging this superficial state of mind.

I also notice how little I respond on the forum to posts where others are asking for help of some sort. Can be discouraging, noticing this.
 
dantem said:
Then the biggest shock was when I managed to realize, in May(!), that the "EU House" thread was up and running from November of the last year! It was like sweeping over 6 months without noticing an elephant next bedroom, can't even count the exact time-lapse by now really.
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Actually I think the EU house thread and anything in 'FOTCM Living' became viewable around May. Prior to that it was restricted to specific groups that were looking to form communities. osit

As far as my narcissism #...I think it depends on the situation, but probably 5-7. I'm not sure what's included in "self-focused". I focus on lots of things that interest me, that I'm curious about, but that don't have much to do with me personally except that I find them interesting. If that counts as "self-focused" then I'd be higher ;)
 
Narcissism is more than vanity and self focus. The DSM definition includes innate dishonesty, as well as inability to identify others as being significant and notes that people who sexually abuse their own children are most often diagnosed as narcissistic, because they cannot seem to differentiate between themselves and their children and see their kids as extensions of themselves.

Celtic shamanism labels people with narcissistic characteristics as being "soul thieves" and my personal experience with one confirms that for me quite strongly. Native American tribes of the Northwest also speak of soul thieves in terms of having narcissistic characteristics and caution their children to never look into a stranger's eyes for fear of them losing a part of their energy body, or "soul".

I have a fascination with narcissism and as a remote influencer tend to find myself in the heads of N's fairly often, sometimes just touring and seeing how they see what they see, and sometimes just trying to find if they have beliefs about reincarnation (haven't found any of those in N heads) any feelings or expectations from death of body, or any hint of remorse when I am in the heads of child rapists, whom I spook as part of my pro bono work. Remote viewers also find themselves in the heads of child rapist/murderers and mostly try to concentrate on the child and support them through their ordeal, if identifying the location of the child is impossible. This is the extreme, but it is the meat of the definition.

The population of humans on this planet is in critical mass, and sex trade, and child organ trade is in full flow. There's deep evil in all that, which gives one to wonder what is the goal or point of such a disconnected and destructive type of human? Why are there narcissists? Is it a viral breakdown of out connection to each other and to the source? Are we genetic mongrels just a failed experiment subjected to inhabiting this lonely isolated and quarantined little outpost?
 
Barba said:
There's deep evil in all that, which gives one to wonder what is the goal or point of such a disconnected and destructive type of human? Why are there narcissists? Is it a viral breakdown of out connection to each other and to the source? Are we genetic mongrels just a failed experiment subjected to inhabiting this lonely isolated and quarantined little outpost?
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I think the short answer goes like - Evil is a necessary part of our existence, as everything needs to be balanced. If there is no evil, there is no choice between good and evil. And if there is no choice, you cannot exercise free will, which means there are no lessons to be learned in our existence.

Laura talks about evil and related concepts quite extensively in her Wave series.

Anyway, my take on this.
 
Thing is, the the more I see of myself, the more narcissism I see. It shows up in damned insidious forms. Quite humiliating and painful really, and there's a lot more about myself yet to be revealed.

Also, let's not disregard the biases of system 1 which is so much responsible for how we behave toward others.

As asked, I think the answer would be 7.

AI said:
Apples and oranges. The question has nothing to do with a diagnosis of "the mental disorder of narcissism" or its status as a diagnostic category. It is a simple question, phrased without reference to NPD, used in a study to see how well answering that simple question correlates with actual measures of NPD. It turns out it does correlate. That's about it. NPD stands on its own as a pretty good way to distinguish pathological personalities. But in my view, that's a totally different issue as determining whether most people (who are NOT NPD) are vain, egotistical, and self-absorbed. (And again, that's not to say they are not other things as well, even things we might consider 'good'.)
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Agreed.
 
Sorry, I didn't understand! Do we agree with the definition or the person who claimed to be narcissistic. In this case who is this person? :/
 
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