Are you a Narcissist?

I saw this thread right before going to work. So since we don't see ourselves clearly, I decided to run it past some coworkers. First up: my boss and owner of the restaurant who has gotten to know me well for over a year now. I asked her if she knew what a Narcissist is since English is not her first language. She said yes, so I said on a scale of one to seven, seven being the most and one the least, how would you rate me as a Narcissist? Without hesitating she said ten. We both started laughing. I said; "but it only goes to seven, I was going to give myself a four." We laughed some more. She said that's what she likes about me is she can say things like that with me without fear that I will get offended. We have a good relationship.

Next up: a waitress who has known me for almost a year. She didn't know what to think of me at first. I tend to be frank and straight forward. But she has really grown to like me. She likes it when I work because "it's not boring." I tend to make people laugh. I asked her if she knew what it meant. She said no. So I told her- egotistical, self-focused, vain. She said seven. I said " but truly Narcissistic people usually rub people the wrong way and are not very likeable. She said; "you're the good kind." ... Thanks?

Anyway, when I work I do anything that needs to be done whether it's my table or not; run food, fill waters, clear plates, bus tables etc. So as the night went along and I was doing things that were helping her, my score started coming down. "Okay you're a five, okay a four." By the end of the night I was a two. So, we had fun with it.

I still think I'm a four, but that's prolly just my narrative.
 
Minas Tirith said:
I still don't get it. If it does correlate, as you and the docs claim, then this thread would prove that everyone who rated themselves a 6 or 7 here belong to the top creme-de-la-creme of narcissism. Or am I missing something?

Good point. I think it means the study is not very useful or objective, to say the least. It may correlate when 'ordinary people' take the test, but it's certainly not a good 'diagnostic tool', given the possibility for mixed results (non-NPDs seeing themselves as narcissists). Plus, it may say something about the people on this forum, too. Remember what Gurdjieff said about being a 'non-entity' and 'merde'. I think Jerry nailed it with this:

Thing is, the the more I see of myself, the more narcissism I see. It shows up in damned insidious forms. Quite humiliating and painful really, and there's a lot more about myself yet to be revealed.

I'd hazard a guess that most people involved in the study probably had never engaged in much work on the self, 'seeing' the self, etc.
 
Approaching Infinity said:
Thing is, the the more I see of myself, the more narcissism I see. It shows up in damned insidious forms. Quite humiliating and painful really, and there's a lot more about myself yet to be revealed.

I'd hazard a guess that most people involved in the study probably had never engaged in much work on the self, 'seeing' the self, etc.

I agree. 5 or 6 years ago I probably would have said I was a 2 or 3 but I just keep seeing more narcissistic tendencies in myself. Sometimes its painful and sometimes I just laugh at myself and the madness of it.
 
Probably a 5... Definitely more than average but I am thinking of 7 as being someone who is entirely self-involved at every moment and probably does not care about being that way...
 
Now it 7 since I bought new clothes to look like I should at work (Job) on my position. And I did one picture "selfie" for the first time in my life ;).

But usually it is 6.

Edit: or 5 - because I don't like to be in the center.
 
At first it was like 2, but -as then happends- the moment I say it, right next, I am betrayed by my unconscious, and if/or, I am able to ponder about it, I found myself same as below, so then, I will leave it in 7.

Approaching Infinity said:
Thing is, the the more I see of myself, the more narcissism I see. It shows up in damned insidious forms. Quite humiliating and painful really, and there's a lot more about myself yet to be revealed.

I'd hazard a guess that most people involved in the study probably had never engaged in much work on the self, 'seeing' the self, etc.
 
Probably around a 6. It's only been a couple of months that I've been able to start to really "observe myself". It's starting to happen more and more, maybe several times a day where I will do or say something to someone, and immediately afterwards, I will think about what I just did or said. And I'm starting to see the different programs and "I's" in me. The problem is, it's too late. I've already done the deed. But I think it's a good start to working on myself, so maybe I'm not quite a 7 anymore.
 
7...?
well...few months ago I would say I'm 4-5, but some hard lessons and understandings made me honestly realize I'm 8 :-[
so I'll just be quiet until I read those big 4 narcissism recomended books and then finnaly see how schrewed up am I exactly ..
no more time to play around :/
greetings to all
 
I would say 3.

I am surprised by the number of people answering 6 or 7, I'm sure they can't all be that high. Maybe this is just a more introspective bunch of people with more finely-tuned fault-finding feelers than the average population?

I think of narcissism as being a flaw where the narcissistic person unduly over-estimates their own importance, abilities, entitlements, achievements etc., while being blind, deaf and disinterested in those same factors as found in others. But I don't think that having a moderate amount of concern for one's own self or one's own appearance is necessarily being inordinately narcissistic.

Also being something of an individualist, I think people are to some degree entitled to their own entitlements, e.g. if someone is obsessed with shoes and has 60 pairs, far beyond what is practically necessary, then I think that is fine. . . if they earned the money to buy those shoes, and shoes are their thing, then they are welcome to their shoe-mania. In terms of their psychological relationships with other people, I wouldn't pre-judge them as being necessarily self-obsessed or rating high on a narcissism scale just on the basis of their wardrobe, or how often they go to the hairdresser, or other matters of appearance and presentation. In fact on the contrary, I think it is also possible for very narcissistic people to have little concern for their own appearance - if the opinions of others don't matter as much as one's own, then what does it matter what they think you look like? And you already know that you look just fine, because you are so fine, right?
 
I'm confused. Maybe 5.
Although normally don't act in a narcissistic way But _ I recently noticed that my personality may have a narcissistic basis. I do more things that I would like thinking about me. When it is not, I feel more upset than I would like . I observe myself as someone different (better or worse) than others.
I think I'm empathetic with others, yet often don't have clear limits, where the other end and I begin. And I find myself doing things that I wouldn't want to do.
 
6-7.

I'd hazard a guess that most people involved in the study probably had never engaged in much work on the self, 'seeing' the self, etc.

My thoughts exactly. The article states that people who readily admit that they are a 7 tend to be narcissists because narcissists are usually proud to be narcissists. The way I see it, that's not what is going on here: people who admit they are a 6 or a 7 are not proud of that fact. This is a tendency that they noticed in themselves and something they want to work on in order to change (as much as that is possible).

One could also argue that people who rated themselves highly are just being harsh with themselves. But that's a prerequisite of The Work, osit.
Gurdjieff would not want it any other way ;)

The First Initiation by Jeanne de Salzmann encourages one to recognize one's narcissism:

Jeanne de Salzmann said:
You will see that in life you receive exactly what you give. Your life is the mirror of what you are. It is in your image. You are passive, blind, demanding. You take all, you accept all, without feeling any obligation. Your attitude toward the world and toward life is the attitude of one who has the right to make demands and to take, who has no need to pay or to earn. You believe that all things are your due, simply because it is you! All your blindness is there! None of this strikes your attention. And yet this is what keeps one world separate from another world.

You have no measure with which to measure yourselves. You live exclusively according to “I like” or “I don’t like,” you have no appreciation except for yourself. You recognize nothing above you—theoretically, logically, perhaps, but actually no. That is why you are demanding and continue to believe that everything is cheap and that you have enough in your pocket to buy everything you like. You recognize nothing above you, either outside yourself or inside. That is why, I repeat, you have no measure and live passively according to your likes and dislikes.

Yes, your “appreciation of yourself” blinds you. It is the biggest obstacle to a new life. You must be able to get over this obstacle, this threshold, before going further. This test divides men into two kinds: the “wheat” and the “chaff.” No matter how intelligent, how gifted, how brilliant a man may be, if he does not change his appreciation of himself, there will be no hope for an inner development, for a work toward self-knowledge, for a true becoming. He will remain such as he is all his life. The first requirement, the first condition, the first test for one who wishes to work on himself is to change his appreciation of himself. He must not imagine, not simply believe or think, but see things in himself which he has never seen before, see them actually. His appreciation will never be able to change as long as he sees nothing in himself. And in order to see, he must learn to see; this is the first initiation of man into self-knowledge.

First of all, he has to know what he must look at. When he knows, he must make efforts, keep his attention, look constantly with persistence. Only through maintaining his attention, and not forgetting to look, one day, perhaps, he will be able to see. If he sees one time he can see a second time, and if that continues he will no longer be able not to see. This is the state to be looked for, it is the aim of our observation; it is from there that the true wish will be born, the irresistible wish to become: from cold we shall become warm, vibrant; we shall be touched by our reality.

Today we have nothing but the illusion of what we are. We think too highly of ourselves. We do not respect ourselves. In order to respect myself, I have to recognize a part in myself which is above the other parts, and my attitude toward this part should bear witness to the respect that I have for it. In this way I shall respect myself. And my relations with others will be governed by the same respect.

You must understand that all the other measures—talent, education, culture, genius—are changing measures, measures of detail. The only exact measure, the only unchanging, objective real measure is the measure of inner vision. I see—I see myself—by this, you have measured. With one higher real part, you have measured another lower part, also real. And this measure, defining by itself the role of each part, will lead you to respect for yourself.

But you will see that it is not easy. And it is not cheap. You must pay dearly. For bad payers, lazy people, parasites, no hope. You must pay, pay a lot, and pay immediately, pay in advance. Pay with yourself. By sincere, conscientious, disinterested efforts. The more you are prepared to pay without economizing, without cheating, without any falsification, the more you will receive. And from that time on you will become acquainted with your nature. And you will see all the tricks, all the dishonesties that your nature resorts to in order to avoid paying hard cash. Because you have to pay with your ready-made theories, with your rooted convictions, with your prejudices, your conventions, your “I like” and “I don’t like.” Without bargaining, honestly, without pretending. Trying “sincerely” to see as you offer your counterfeit money.

Try for a moment to accept the idea that you are not what you believe yourself to be, that you overestimate yourself, in fact that you lie to yourself. That you always lie to yourself every moment, all day, all your life. That this lying rules you to such an extent that you cannot control it any more. You are the prey of lying. You lie, everywhere. Your relations with others—lies. The upbringing you give, the conventions—lies. Your teaching—lies. Your theories, your art—lies. Your social life, your family life—lies. And what you think of yourself—lies also.

But you never stop yourself in what you are doing or in what you are saying because you believe in yourself. You must stop inwardly and observe. Observe without preconceptions, accepting for a time this idea of lying. And if you observe in this way, paying with yourself, without self-pity, giving up all your supposed riches for a moment of reality, perhaps you will suddenly see something you have never before seen in yourself until this day. You will see that you are different from what you think you are. You will see that you are two. One who is not, but takes the place and plays the role of the other. And one who is, yet so weak, so insubstantial, that he no sooner appears than he immediately disappears. He cannot endure lies. The least lie makes him faint away. He does not struggle, he does not resist, he is defeated in advance. Learn to look until you have seen the difference between your two natures, until you have seen the lies, the deception in yourself. When you have seen your two natures, that day, in yourself, the truth will be born.

The blindness to one's narcissism is what prevents one to even start The Work. Osit.
 

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