Az rep Gabby Giffords shot

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According to fox news, she was shot point blank in the head while giving a public speech at a Tucson Az Safeway store parking lot. 9 others were also shot by an alleged lone gunman. Rep Giffords is alive but in critical condition.
 
US Congresswoman Shot

_http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/08/arizona.shooting/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1

And when I hear other congresspeople saying, "we have to make sure nothing like this ever happens again," then I'm certain that every American will be punished for it. When I hear John Boehner say, "An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve," I hear the message, "it's us (gov't) against them (ordinary citizens)."
 
Whilst I do not condone violence, there is something VERY foreboding about this, in particular the response of other members of Congress for surely they know they could well be next in line if they stick to "the plan" of continual lying to the public, abuse of their so-called power and perhaps this is why Boehner makes such claims. In other words, IF it is truly something un-planned for, then how long until more and more Americans start to take matters into their own hands?

But I have a hard time imagining this to be the act of a truly fed-up American who is a lone and rogue individual acting in a random way.

Much more plausible that yet another Manchurian candidate was programmed to do the bidding of the hidden hands of psychopaths.

It is perhaps related to her husband? I noticed that the next mission is set to launch into space in April of this year. Of course that is just speculation, too early to tell much of anything related to this, other than as a general incident it IS a "sign of the times".

When I hear John Boehner say, "An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve,"

:curse:

When I hear such an ***hole make such a ridiculous statement I see RED! For WHAT service is he talking about? He does not serve, except serving his own interests and those that line his pockets, so what a farce and an insult on the very meaning of what service is! Until the government actually comes forward and admits to all the lying it does, I will NEVER believe a single word of any politician, for in essence they are protecting their sorry hides and this at the expense of those who do want to know, and deserve to know, the truth.

But it really does appear that this will be another case of "disaster capitalism" which means make the most of the opportunity to forward the real agenda of control, control, control.

Whether the US government is behind it or not, that will be the result. And this is also infuriating for it is also such hypocrisy when one considers what the US military does overseas.
 
Current news is that 18 people in total were shot, and taken to local hospitals -- the news from UMC (the hospital that Giffords was taken to) is that they have 5 people stable, 5 people in critical condition (including Giffords, who has already undergone surgery and is expected to survive) and one fatality (an approximately 9-year-old child). The 22-year-old shooter was just identified as Jared Lee Loughner.

Added: this is supposed to be a video posted on YouTube by Loughner in mid-December.
 
I did a quick search on the name "Jared Lee Loughner," could this be the same guy? He has a youtube message:

_http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10

Hometown: Tucson

Edited: Just saw Shijing's edit too.
 
Here's a couple of interesting excerpts from Facebook:

Regardless of what the shooter's motives were, I wonder whether Sarah Palin regrets putting Rep. Gabrielle Gifford's picture [note: apparently a picture of her district] on her website last fall with a bull's-eye superimposed on it and the caption, "We've diagnosed the problem…Help us prescribe the solution."

Then about an hour ago:

I see that Palin has taken down the page with the cross-hairs on her district within the last few seconds.

Added:

"For example, we're on Sarah Palin's targeted list, but the thing is, that the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district. When people do that, they have to realize that there are consequences to that action," Giffords said in an interview with MSNBC.
 
Herakles said:
Much more plausible that yet another Manchurian candidate was programmed to do the bidding of the hidden hands of psychopaths.
Indeed... It already looks that way with this now visible:

Arizona Assassin Obsessed With Mind Control said:
Jared Loughner, the gunman who shot Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and numerous other victims including a Federal Judge and a nine-year-old girl during a political event in Tucson today, was a US military recruit who was obsessed with mind control, mirroring the circumstances of many other mass shooters in history.
@http://www.infowars.com/arizona-assassin-obsessed-with-mind-control/
 
The suspect used a pistol with an extended magazine and approached Giffords from behind, firing at least 20 shots at her and others in the crowd, MSNBC said, citing law enforcement officials and eyewitnesses.
Andrea Gooden, an eyewitness who was working across the street from the event, told Fox News she heard about 15 consecutive gunshots during the shooting.

Quoting this comment from the article on the main page because it covers basically what I wanted to point out:
20 shots fired, 18 wounded, 6 killed....

I mean no disrespect to the ones killed or their families.... and have no background of Ms Gifford (victim) or Loughner (alleged shooter)

but also knowing a bit about firearms and training (which hollywood lives in fantasy) .... think about this in real life... a single gunslinger pulls his weapon in a crowed place and fires 20 rounds, 18 of of which actually hit a target in a crowd that is obviously at this point diving for cover or running away.. not only do 90% actually wound a victim but 33% are fatal... all of this with full congressional security?

Not only is "double -tap" the norm for training to stop a target but this "lone nut" hit 90% of targets w a single shot and at the same time also landed a fatal kill shot on 33% of those "fleeing" victims with a single bullet

The fact that this congresswoman seems to have a lot of enemies clouds issues, but the suspect doesn't really seem to have any connection to the shooting from what I've read, besides being interested in conspiracies and complaining about grammar apparently.

ww_w.cnn.c_om/2011/CRIME/01/08/arizona.shooting/index.html?hpt=T1
Better store this one before it goes down the memory hole!
-- A gunman intended to assassinate a U.S. representative when he opened fire outside a Tucson, Arizona, supermarket Saturday, killing six and wounding 12 including the congresswoman, the local sheriff said hours after the shooting.

U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was in critical condition late Saturday after surgery for a single gunshot wound to the head. The dead included a federal judge and a 9-year-old girl, authorities said.

One suspect was in custody immediately after the shooting, and investigators were "actively in pursuit" of a second man whom they believed may be involved in the attempted assassination, Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said Saturday night.

Two people tackled the suspected shooter, stopping a spray of bullets from what federal and state law enforcement sources described as a 9mm Glock outfitted with a 30-round magazine.


Dupnik said the suspect in custody is 22, but declined to name him. An Arizona law enforcement source and a federal law enforcement source, meanwhile, identified the suspect as Jared Lee Loughner.

The suspect was being held in the Pima County jail, Dupnik said. He was expected to appear in court Sunday morning,

Dupnik said investigators are not convinced that the suspect came to the supermarket alone. He said investigators were looking for a man seen near the suspect.

Authorities did not know whether the person they sought actually had any connection with Loughner, a law enforcement source told CNN.

Authorities have a piece of evidence that indicates this second individual was in close proximity to the store, the source said, but declined to elaborate.

Investigators were trying to interview witnesses to determine if there was a connection between the two men, the source said.

That source also said authorities were seeking search warrants for a residence and for a vehicle in connection with the suspect in custody.

The attack happened about 10 minutes after the start of a previously scheduled constituent meeting outside a Safeway grocery store.

Although U.S. Capitol Police said there was no evidence of a broader threat involving federal officials, the agency said in a statement it had advised other members of Congress to take "reasonable and prudent precautions regarding their personal safety and security."

The House Sergeant at Arms also said "it is essential" that lawmakers contact local police to register their home and office addresses.

Tucson Police Chief Roberto Villasenor said his department had secured the homes and offices of some unnamed federal officials as a "precautionary measure."

At a news conference, Dupnik said the shooter moved towards the crowd and began firing. It was unclear if he said anything or who was shot first, Dupnik said.

An employee of a nearby business, Jason Pekau, said he heard 15 to 20 shots.

Two people tackled the gunman, who still had ammunition remaining, Dupnik said.

Police recovered a 9mm Glock Model 19 handgun believed used in the shooting, according to senior law enforcement sources. The weapon had a 30-round magazine, according to a federal law enforcement source briefed on the investigation.

"He probably would have shot other people had he not been tackled," Dupnik said.

Five people, including Chief Judge John Roll of the U.S. District Court for Arizona and Gabe Zimmerman, a Giffords staffer, died at the scene. The sixth victim, a 9-year-old girl, was pronounced dead at a hospital.

Giffords, 40, was shot once in the head at close range, authorities said. She underwent surgery at University Medical Center in Tucson and was listed in critical condition.

Authorities said all of the victims have been identified, but declined to release additional names pending notification of relatives.

President Barack Obama sent FBI Director Richard Mueller to help coordinate the joint investigation, which federal authorities stressed did not appear to have any connection to terrorism.

Dupnik said the suspect has had contact with law enforcement in the past in which he made violent threats, but he declined to say against whom.

"All I can tell you is there's reason to believe this individual may have a mental issue," Dupnik said.

Nate Gray, special agent in charge of the Arizona office of the FBI, said the investigation was proceeding as a joint local and federal effort.

"The FBI and the Pima County Sheriff's office are working together on every aspect of this joint investigation and we are utilizing all resources necessary to make sure those responsible are brought to justice," Gray said.

Giffords' press secretary, C.J. Karamargin, said he was unaware of any recent threats against Giffords.

Dupnik said two incidents occurred in 2010 involving Giffords, including one in which a gun fell out of a constituent's pocket during an angry town hall meeting and another in which windows at her campaign office were broken out.

Authorities said they did not know the motive for the shooting -- the suspect was not talking and had invoked his right against self-incrimination, Dupnik said.

Giffords staffer Mark Kimble told CNN affiliate KGUN that the congresswoman did not have any security with her Saturday morning, which was not unusual for her.

"She wants to be as accessible to the people who elected her as possible," Kimble said.

Dr. Peter Rhee of the University Medical Center said that Giffords had been moved to intensive care from surgery and said he was "very optimistic" about her recovery.

"I'm about as optimistic as it can get in this situation," he said during a brief news conference at the hospital Saturday afternoon.

He said the next 24 hours will be key for determining the extent of her recovery.

Dupnik reiterated Rhee's prognosis Saturday evening.

The staffer who died, Gabe Zimmerman, was in charge of community outreach in Giffords' Tucson office, Karamargin said. He was engaged to be married.

Giffords, a Democrat, was first elected in 2006. She has served as chairwoman of the House Space and Aeronautics Subcommittee and also holds seats on the House Science and Technology and Armed Services committees.

She won her third term in a closely contested race against a Tea Party-sponsored candidate and was one of three Democratic legislators who reported vandalism at their offices following the March vote on health care reform.

She is married to Navy Capt. Mark Kelly, a NASA astronaut who is scheduled to lead a space shuttle mission to the International Space Station.

Roll was a 1991 Bush appointee to the federal bench. The chief judge for the U.S. District Court for Arizona, he was originally from Pennsylvania.

Colleagues and admirers of Giffords and Roll reacted quickly to the shooting.

Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, said the attack was committed by a "wicked person who has no sense of justice or compassion."

"Whoever did this, whatever their reason, they are a disgrace to Arizona, this country and the human race, and they deserve and will receive the contempt of all decent people and the strongest punishment of the law," he said.

Obama called the attack an "unspeakable tragedy."

"We do not yet have all the answers," he said. What we do know is that such a senseless and terrible act of violence has no place in a free society."

House Speaker John Boehner said he was "horrified" by the shooting.

"An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve," he said. "Acts and threats of violence against public officials have no place in our society."

Chief Justice of the United States John Roberts issued a statement decrying the shootings and the loss of Roll, whom he called a "wise jurist who selflessly served Arizona and the nation with great distinction."

"Chief Judge Roll's death is a somber reminder of the rule of law and the sacrifices of those who work to secure it," Roberts said.

Rep. Chellie Pingree, D-Maine, said an incident like this could have a chilling effect on the frequent weekend listening post sessions many members of Congress have with their constituents.

"It does give you pause," Pingree said.
 
Hooooh boy.

This one thoroughly stinks.

When it comes to big news items, as we have learned, the early news reports are among the most important to watch, because that is when raw facts have the best chance of leaking through while everybody is still scrambling to get on the same script.

Anyway. . ,

I hope people will pardon me for addressing the obvious as I get word etymology and metaphorics out of the way. . ,

His name. "Jared Loughner."

"Loughner"??? As in, (and please pardon the huge thudding noise here), "Lone" Gunman? Somebody has GOT to be kidding us. Did they deliberately pick this guy out for his name and start working him, or did it just happen to line up that way?

"Jared"

From http://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Jared.html
The name Jared comes from yarad (yarad 909) meaning go down, descend, decline, march down, bring down, pour out. Derivatives are the obvious nouns like descent, slope, but also Jordan.

The name Jared means Descent.

Also. . ,
From http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/08/AR2011010802422.html?hpid=topnews*

Also killed was Christina Taylor Green, 9, who was born on Sept. 11, 2001, and had gone to the event with a neighbor.

Innocence is murdered once again.

These metaphors are very powerful.

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Next point: Ideologies.

The victims, were liberal-leaning.

It's early still, and there is plenty of static in the news right now and unreliable info taken from things like Twitter and Facebook, but initial indications are. . .

Jared Lee Loughner is variously described as, "Communist" "Crazy" "Left Wing", though I've already seen a lot of people pushing the idea that he was a right-wing racist.

It's important to note that nobody has anything solid on that either way. Not that I've seen yet, anyhow.

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His (supposed) YouTube video, that it is still up as of this posting, is a bit weird. Normally suicide notes and explanations for violent acts are not released to the public. I wonder if perceptions are intended to be sculpted by this?

The content of the video is really strange. He complains about grammar, (though in a confusing manner), but can't use it very well himself. He uses a very strict logical structure positing many If, Therefore statements, but the content of his arguments/statements are really peculiar and missing the logical steps and background information to make sense. (to me, anyway).

To my initial senses, his stuff has the same characteristic "smell" as the ramblings seen in papers and notes written by the likes of Sirhan Sirhan. (Robert Kennedy's killer, who was almost without any doubt, a mind-control victim.)

One unsettling thing is that the contents of his supposed video have the tone of conspiratorial alternative thinking. What a great way to turn public opinion against alternative news. A sort of personal False Flag attack perhaps aimed at the internet. . ?


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I hope you will forgive these updates to this post which grew its length by two-thirds; I didn't want to create a whole string of separate comments in a row but rather keep it all in one place. I'm done now with this one except to update any spelling errors if I notice them in the future.
 
Deja Vu.

Anybody else getting a shot of Deja Vu as they consider this story?

I just got hit with a waft of the stuff while looking things through here.

Hm.
 
Oh boy, am not american and am scared. :scared: Why is that?

I know whatever they decide to do up there in the U.S.A as a result of this will surely somehow come bearing down on the rest of the citizens of the world...

I've had a quick look at his video, didnt even finish it because, it just read weird. Why is it still up?? What the hell, that doesnt make sense! What's the deal with this new currency thing he is talking about?

This doesnt look good for the alternative ways of thinking: the non-conformists, anti-establishment and conspiratorial type people. They've been eyeing us for a loooooooong time!

Lets wait and see how this whole affair will play out and what the end game is. It's tragic people had to be sacrificed! What are the chances psychopaths or invisible hands were behind this? I'd say pretty high...
 
The amazing hit and accuracy rate has been a feature of other shootings, I think Columbine was one. I think by now it's a hallmark of mind-programming, single intent and focus with the normal human reactions that would make mistakes more likely, removed.
 
What are the chances it turns out this guy has some connection to wikileaks? :cool2:

I dont know, I'd say anything is pretty much possible now. Just thought I'd throw that out there into the biosphere...

Think of the number of birds the government can take down with this one stone, or should I say lone-gunman who according to this SOTT reader, is something of a jason bourne type person!

20 shots fired, 18 wounded, 6 killed....

I mean no disrespect to the ones killed or their families.... and have no background of Ms Gifford (victim) or Loughner (alleged shooter)

but also knowing a bit about firearms and training (which hollywood lives in fantasy) .... think about this in real life... a single gunslinger pulls his weapon in a crowed place and fires 20 rounds, 18 of of which actually hit a target in a crowd that is obviously at this point diving for cover or running away.. not only do 90% actually wound a victim but 33% are fatal... all of this with full congressional security?

Not only is "double -tap" the norm for training to stop a target but this "lone nut" hit 90% of targets w a single shot and at the same time also landed a fatal kill shot on 33% of those "fleeing" victims with a single bullet

Speculations abound!
 
I posted the original stats of shooter accuracy on the SOTT article and while there may or may not be a second shooter the fact remains in this case as in most cases of these political shootings... that the average disgruntle citizen would be less than half this kill rate..

The shooting in N New Zealand had such an astonishing accuracy that only Hollywood could have pulled off.. Sorry to say that when my laptop was stolen last yr, I no longer have the links to the dossier although I've searched for them
The point I'm trying to bring to light is that these kill-rates/accuracy can only be met by multiple shooters or VERY skilled shooters

While I dont know Mrs Giffords as yet I think it should considered on the basis that "they will sacrifice their own" if needed to bring about the "change" they seek.... Congress, BP Israel, and the Banksters know that we are are onto then
 
luke wilson said:
Oh boy, am not american and am scared. :scared: Why is that?

Perhaps they've turned up HARRP again?

I'm wondering if this whole thing (as its making national news...repeatedly...over here in the UK) is not perhaps a distraction from mass fish/bird deaths and other such things??

Perceval said:
The amazing hit and accuracy rate has been a feature of other shootings, I think Columbine was one. I think by now it's a hallmark of mind-programming, single intent and focus with the normal human reactions that would make mistakes more likely, removed.

I think that's a very good point. Given he (apparently) shot her point blank in the head (temple) then gunned down quite a few others before being tackled while he was reloading, the first thought that came to me was 'mind control'. The media portrayal at the moment is of a 'loner' with 'odd internet postings'......which also seems to be a standard template for these events.
I can't discern any kind of direction to this yet though....so my initial suspicion is its a major (national US) distraction from something else.....what could that be to have to pull out something like this? Whatever the rat is, its pretty darn big and stinks to high heaven.
 
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