Barack Obama
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bedower
Jedi Master
Ain't that the truth!
Now, according to the truthseeker.com site, Obama has appointed the fragrant Madelaine '500,000 dead Iraqi children is a price worth paying' Albright to represent him at the Bush economic summit.
He really does seem to be nailing his colours to the mast by his staff choices.
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear!
anart
A Disturbance in the Force
I'm no fan of Obama, but this is written like a hit piece. The part about 'like your holding a pencil in a voting booth' , for instance is quite a stretch. NLP is quite commonly used by orators, from politicians to clergy and it is effective -however, this article is just way too loaded 'against' Obama as the evil hypnotist to be taken seriously. If he had also addressed the leading evangelical preachers who use NLP , then it might be easier to swallow.
Bernhard
Jedi Master
Yeah, I can see that, some parts are quite a stretch. I just found it interesting, especially since it had been written by the "Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, Inc." Maybe they're all McCain/Republican supporters? As mentioned on the bottom of the article they have a 66 page analysis of Obama's speech "techniques" but I haven't gotten to read it.
rs
Dagobah Resident
IMO, the highlighted portion says it all.
Google the "I have a dream" speech. Read it. You might notice two things, like I did. First, it is rather dry if you can manage to just read the words. Second, I find it exceedingly difficult to *just* read the words as I cannot help but internally hear Dr. Martin Luther King's voice and cadence deliver them to me. Third, you might notice that the first 3/4 of the speech is completely unfamiliar. (OK, so I didn't expect a kind of "Spanish Inquisition" (obscure reference to the mismatched counts)).
Oratory is not just words, it is words, delivered with inflection, emotion and timing. What burned the "I have a dream" speech into the collective consciousness was not the words themselves, but the delivery. The last 1/4 of the speech is not really a speech, it is a chant. The rhythm, the sound, the burning intensity of the delivery is why those words are so remembered.
Where does the data come from that the article was truly written by the "Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, Inc."? Who or what is this organization?
whois said:
Ernest Hancock is a local libertarian who has run for a number of offices in Arizona, all unsuccessfully. He has several web sites:
_http://www.ernesthancock.com/ and _http://ernesthancock.org/ that should allow one to find out who he is and what he is about.
While thinking about hypnotic oratory, what about Senator John McCain's repeated use of the chant "We must fight" as an attempt to whip up the emotions of the party faithful? Listening to many of McCain's speeches was exceedingly disturbing to me as I could not help but make the association with Hitler's oratory and speeches to the German people.
osit
Wow, what a thread. I've read all the posts and will try not to repeat anyone.
Yes, the election seemed to be a "good cop vs. bad cop" tag-team event presented by the Trilaterals and CFR, with the truly more dangerous candidate (because of the whole world being taken in, some polls say 90% worldwide were for Obama) winning by design. I would like to focus, though, on comments by the C's.
1. Bush will be president until he "dies." "Dies" might mean as little as his lease on power being revoked. Regarding this interregnum and the Vigilant Shield martial-law exercise, I have two eyewitness accounts that may be related. The first, a guy I know recently witnessed an all-white, unmarked, unlicensed (no plate) truck on a NH highway, with a trailer carrying a 15-foot long cubic device fitted with high-intensity surveillance lights and a giant dish. He was perplexed enough to seek it on the web and found it to be a microwave-based Active Denial System for crowd control, the very one described here: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=10504.0, right down to the Ford 550 truck. Second, I myself saw on a MA highway last weekend a caravan of 2 all-white, unmarked except for Homeland Security seal, 18-wheel trucks, followed by two similar 10-wheelers, followed by two 6-wheelers with trailers (one a closed white box, one with a small people-mover - kind of a bulldozer with padded plow and cab enclosed in mesh fencing to keep people and things out - and marked MA Task Force), followed by six vans (5 white, 1 gray), followed by 4 pick-up trucks. All similarly white and unmarked or HS-marked with gov't plates. MA Task Force I looked up, and it is FEMA.
2. C's suggested the brown star might become visible and cause some hubbub. I thought Autobot's comment, "well Obama's dark skinned and at the moment he has star status" was very interesting. Loosely tying in are "invasion happens when programming is complete," and "Your Biblical prophecies speak of a period of terror and chaos followed by calm, and then, unexpectedly, amdist seeming overwhelming peace and renewal and prosperity, the end. So, it seems to me that it would be a major clue if the star Obama ushers in improvement of some bad problems like wars and the economy, resulting in "complete" calming followed suddenly by chaos. My frustration at the popular opinion of Obama reminds me of Bringers of the Dawn when it described what some of us would feel after an invasion of ET "saviors."
3. It has been suggested that there is time pressure, an assumed "schedule" for things on the grand chessboard to get done. We see acceleration of events and The C's said the learning process is also accelerating. We saw the last eight years as an acceleration of PTB plans, and the eight years prior, and the eight years before those. So, how or why would the beginning of this new administration be any different? I suggest there will be no pause. The time pressure puts weight, IMO, behind the suggestions of #1 and #2 that something will happen soon to shift upward another gear.
4. The C's said that a "miscalculation" would reveal the man behind the curtain. I ask, have we seen the miscalculation yet? Specifically, as seek10 asked, is Obama the "miscalculation?" Basically, this is what the New Agers believe (see the thread: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=10405.0). I'm leaning now toward "no, he is not the miscalculation" because of his leading cabinet/staff candidates. Prior to now there was benefit of the doubt, even though he was pledging allegiance to Zionism and surrounded by war hawks, think-tank psychos, and Wall Street moneymen. Any candidate must cozy up to these powers to get elected. Only post-election could he have started showing some independence. Now that we are post-election, his leading staff/cabinet candidates suggest that he is still bought and paid for. Obama's making of apparently anti-establisment moves like reversing tax cuts for the rich, dismantling Guantanamo, and taking down missiles could all be considered minor in the grand scheme, done simply to sucker in slightly-more-awake doubters. I'm more interested in what comes of his review of Bush's executive orders. Sure, I could be wrong and it might be post-inauguration that his chance will come, because he has to continue to play ball to stay alive until becoming president -- but I doubt it. Does anyone know at what point JFK started asserting himself in a way "uncooperative" with the PTB?
Conclusion: Obama is not, IMO, the miscalculation, but rather, acceleration is in the air, and maybe the miscalculation will be the reaction of the masses if acceleration is too rapid. Maybe, if something too shocking happens, the frog will feel the heat and try to leap out of the pot? Maybe the something shocking will be a result of "help is drawing near?" Some impossible-to-deny revelations of truth, maybe?
Yes, the election seemed to be a "good cop vs. bad cop" tag-team event presented by the Trilaterals and CFR, with the truly more dangerous candidate (because of the whole world being taken in, some polls say 90% worldwide were for Obama) winning by design. I would like to focus, though, on comments by the C's.
1. Bush will be president until he "dies." "Dies" might mean as little as his lease on power being revoked. Regarding this interregnum and the Vigilant Shield martial-law exercise, I have two eyewitness accounts that may be related. The first, a guy I know recently witnessed an all-white, unmarked, unlicensed (no plate) truck on a NH highway, with a trailer carrying a 15-foot long cubic device fitted with high-intensity surveillance lights and a giant dish. He was perplexed enough to seek it on the web and found it to be a microwave-based Active Denial System for crowd control, the very one described here: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=10504.0, right down to the Ford 550 truck. Second, I myself saw on a MA highway last weekend a caravan of 2 all-white, unmarked except for Homeland Security seal, 18-wheel trucks, followed by two similar 10-wheelers, followed by two 6-wheelers with trailers (one a closed white box, one with a small people-mover - kind of a bulldozer with padded plow and cab enclosed in mesh fencing to keep people and things out - and marked MA Task Force), followed by six vans (5 white, 1 gray), followed by 4 pick-up trucks. All similarly white and unmarked or HS-marked with gov't plates. MA Task Force I looked up, and it is FEMA.
2. C's suggested the brown star might become visible and cause some hubbub. I thought Autobot's comment, "well Obama's dark skinned and at the moment he has star status" was very interesting. Loosely tying in are "invasion happens when programming is complete," and "Your Biblical prophecies speak of a period of terror and chaos followed by calm, and then, unexpectedly, amdist seeming overwhelming peace and renewal and prosperity, the end. So, it seems to me that it would be a major clue if the star Obama ushers in improvement of some bad problems like wars and the economy, resulting in "complete" calming followed suddenly by chaos. My frustration at the popular opinion of Obama reminds me of Bringers of the Dawn when it described what some of us would feel after an invasion of ET "saviors."
The P's were talking about ETs, but it's almost like Obama and company fit the bill. The P's also said, "Never take anything we say literally."
So, if Obama starts working wonders, I'll worry! Could the golden era be the promise of a world gov't led by someone with built-in, worldwide, popular support?
3. It has been suggested that there is time pressure, an assumed "schedule" for things on the grand chessboard to get done. We see acceleration of events and The C's said the learning process is also accelerating. We saw the last eight years as an acceleration of PTB plans, and the eight years prior, and the eight years before those. So, how or why would the beginning of this new administration be any different? I suggest there will be no pause. The time pressure puts weight, IMO, behind the suggestions of #1 and #2 that something will happen soon to shift upward another gear.
4. The C's said that a "miscalculation" would reveal the man behind the curtain. I ask, have we seen the miscalculation yet? Specifically, as seek10 asked, is Obama the "miscalculation?" Basically, this is what the New Agers believe (see the thread: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=10405.0). I'm leaning now toward "no, he is not the miscalculation" because of his leading cabinet/staff candidates. Prior to now there was benefit of the doubt, even though he was pledging allegiance to Zionism and surrounded by war hawks, think-tank psychos, and Wall Street moneymen. Any candidate must cozy up to these powers to get elected. Only post-election could he have started showing some independence. Now that we are post-election, his leading staff/cabinet candidates suggest that he is still bought and paid for. Obama's making of apparently anti-establisment moves like reversing tax cuts for the rich, dismantling Guantanamo, and taking down missiles could all be considered minor in the grand scheme, done simply to sucker in slightly-more-awake doubters. I'm more interested in what comes of his review of Bush's executive orders. Sure, I could be wrong and it might be post-inauguration that his chance will come, because he has to continue to play ball to stay alive until becoming president -- but I doubt it. Does anyone know at what point JFK started asserting himself in a way "uncooperative" with the PTB?
Conclusion: Obama is not, IMO, the miscalculation, but rather, acceleration is in the air, and maybe the miscalculation will be the reaction of the masses if acceleration is too rapid. Maybe, if something too shocking happens, the frog will feel the heat and try to leap out of the pot? Maybe the something shocking will be a result of "help is drawing near?" Some impossible-to-deny revelations of truth, maybe?
PepperFritz
The Cosmic Force
PopHistorian said:
Wow, I think you may be on to something there. Reading the above sent shivers down my spine. In the meantime, nothing to do but wait and see, wait and OBSERVE.....
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Myth of Myself
Padawan Learner
Interesting thoughts in this thread!
I didn't find this topic in a search, but has the mandatory Universal Civil Defence Traning plan that Obama and his cronies are developing been discussed here yet? Apparently it would mean a mandatory 3 months of service for all 18-25 year old citizens to quote
"give people a sense of what it means to be an American." -Rahm Emanuel
Some footage here dealing with this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfV8iXiB9Xg
I didn't find this topic in a search, but has the mandatory Universal Civil Defence Traning plan that Obama and his cronies are developing been discussed here yet? Apparently it would mean a mandatory 3 months of service for all 18-25 year old citizens to quote
"give people a sense of what it means to be an American." -Rahm Emanuel
Some footage here dealing with this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfV8iXiB9Xg
webglider
Dagobah Resident
In Bernhards post titled "Oratory or Hynotic Induction" he presents a quote which states:
Separating Oratory from Hynotic Induction misses the point, I think. Oratory IS hynotic induction.
I'm sorry to bring up Shakespeare again, but that man knew not only oratory, but he understood how oratory hypnotizes and moves crowds. Read his history plays. Read his tragedies.
Let me share how he does it, and how Obama does it, and how every good orator does it.
Oratory is effective not only because of its use of "varying rhythms of speech, rhythm, tonalities, vagueness, visual imagery, metaphor, and raising of emotion", but also because it uses repetition, and sound.
Vowels are emotive.
Cononants provide energy to the speaker. Why do curse words in English begin with "F", "S", 'B_S_", "C" P"?
It's to give energy for the ensuing fight.
If a speaker emphasizes vowels, as Ophelia does in the following speech, the actress can create a physiologcal reaction that will bring tears to her eyes.
I've used this technique when coaching kids who are preparing speeches, scenes, or plays from Shakespeare.
In the following speech by Ophelia, notice how many O's Shakespeare gives her. When the mouth is opened wide the effect on the eyes in similar to the effect produced by yawning.
There are tons of vowels in that speech - I just stessed the O. I've coached many girls who have worked on this speech, and they were always amazed how their eyes filled with tears by the end.
Hamlet's words, which precipitated such despair in Ophelia are created with words that begin and end for the most part with consonants Notice also the effect of the "s' which is also stressed - really pronounce the consonants- spit them out as though challenging your worst enemy:
"Get thee to a nunnery. Why woulds't thou be a breeder of sinners?
If you say the words in each speech, stressing the vowels in Ophelia's, and the beginning and ending consonants in Hamlet's, you should experience sorrow and anger respectively in the the body.
The listener is also affected by the sounds.
In the ancient world, aside from prowess as a fighter, one had to be a skilled orator.
How else does a leader inspire his men to fight in battle? If one looks in The Iliad one can find many, many examples of speeches, both brilliant, (Odysseus] and moronic [Agamemnon].
I am not a scholar of Ancient Greek, so I can not comment on the effect the sound of the words had on the listeners, but for millennium students studied Homer to learn the techniques of oratory.
As a former teacher, I applaud Obama's skill. Perhaps it will inspire students to study this ancient art so that they can recognize when the speaker is playing on emotion to acheive his/her aim.
Separating Oratory from Hynotic Induction misses the point, I think. Oratory IS hynotic induction.
I'm sorry to bring up Shakespeare again, but that man knew not only oratory, but he understood how oratory hypnotizes and moves crowds. Read his history plays. Read his tragedies.
Let me share how he does it, and how Obama does it, and how every good orator does it.
Oratory is effective not only because of its use of "varying rhythms of speech, rhythm, tonalities, vagueness, visual imagery, metaphor, and raising of emotion", but also because it uses repetition, and sound.
Vowels are emotive.
Cononants provide energy to the speaker. Why do curse words in English begin with "F", "S", 'B_S_", "C" P"?
It's to give energy for the ensuing fight.
If a speaker emphasizes vowels, as Ophelia does in the following speech, the actress can create a physiologcal reaction that will bring tears to her eyes.
I've used this technique when coaching kids who are preparing speeches, scenes, or plays from Shakespeare.
In the following speech by Ophelia, notice how many O's Shakespeare gives her. When the mouth is opened wide the effect on the eyes in similar to the effect produced by yawning.
Ophelia said:
There are tons of vowels in that speech - I just stessed the O. I've coached many girls who have worked on this speech, and they were always amazed how their eyes filled with tears by the end.
Hamlet's words, which precipitated such despair in Ophelia are created with words that begin and end for the most part with consonants Notice also the effect of the "s' which is also stressed - really pronounce the consonants- spit them out as though challenging your worst enemy:
"Get thee to a nunnery. Why woulds't thou be a breeder of sinners?
If you say the words in each speech, stressing the vowels in Ophelia's, and the beginning and ending consonants in Hamlet's, you should experience sorrow and anger respectively in the the body.
The listener is also affected by the sounds.
In the ancient world, aside from prowess as a fighter, one had to be a skilled orator.
How else does a leader inspire his men to fight in battle? If one looks in The Iliad one can find many, many examples of speeches, both brilliant, (Odysseus] and moronic [Agamemnon].
I am not a scholar of Ancient Greek, so I can not comment on the effect the sound of the words had on the listeners, but for millennium students studied Homer to learn the techniques of oratory.
As a former teacher, I applaud Obama's skill. Perhaps it will inspire students to study this ancient art so that they can recognize when the speaker is playing on emotion to acheive his/her aim.
PepperFritz
The Cosmic Force
webglider said:
Yes, its not the skill itself that is at issue. Any skill can be used for good or for bad, depending on the intention of the user. JFK, Martin Luther King, and Hitler were all known for their oratory skills, but used them to achieve very different ends. To what purpose will Obama use his gift of oration? It's not looking good so far, but only time will tell....
Bernhard
Jedi Master
PopHistorian said:
Very interesting views, PopHistorian, looking at the quotes' of the P's from a different perspective. Pretty much reflects my frustration with the Obama hype as well.
On another note, with his world wide almost "celebrity" status, he might be the perfect person to bring about Disclosure and welcome ET's as friends and saviors, showering us with their marvelous gifts of technology?
Others say he may introduce an ET threat scenario:
from _http://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopolitics/2008/11/exopolitics-media-note-obama-orbs-and-dimensional-disclosure.html
But as PepperFritz, said, let's wait and observe.......until the "path" Obama takes reveals itself more......
