Barbara Camwell

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Laura said:
Hmmm... maybe a number of people could file sort of a class action suit and get more results that way and also spread the cost? Might even be able to take it to Federal court, too.

From what I understand it couldn't be a "class action" basically because there are not enough people (usually in the hundreds to establish a "class")

However, we do have what's called a "Joint Action"
 

sandrabrownma

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We already have a list of people who were contacted months ago--I think it was between 20 and 30 persons between the two of them. We have an ongoing file that someone worked as a data collector on for six months contacting these people....quite a bit of eye opening information there. Many were interested and were just waiting to see what happened with this case before moving forward on a joint case.

I have an attorney who is working on my side of it regarding both of them on this issue and other related issues, so Laura if you have an attorney in the states, we could utilize either one-- yours or mine.

Now that this judgement has come down, it becomes much quicker and easier to build off of it. Guardian has all the forensics of tying Barbara to the sites so she is an easy include on any future actions.

The judge in the recent case has been sent information on the other victims of the cockroach site for her to consider as well as including recent emails showing the of spoofing my email address, emails in which someone writing as Mary (who knows which one it was) indicates Barbara is going to put Kim Stewart's grandson on child porn sites. That has been noteworthy...and may trigger the FBI--not sure.

Also forwarded to the judge was extortion emails to Guardian asking her to put up defamatory sites on Kim Stewart in exchange for taking mine down---all sent to the judge.

My attorney is writing the judge now that the final judgement is rendered about addressing the other victims in the case for injunction relief. We were waiting for the final judgement to finish up our paperwork on other issues. Laura, you can PM for private details. Guardian is positioned for re-capturing any new antics that they try to set others up to do for them or other sites they intend to set up. The judgement discusses no further use of 'servants' as they call it--others doing work on her behalf. Guardian continues to screen shot existing sites and what is happening up to the moment. My attorney is ready.
 

notavictimanymore

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As of November 16, 2012, Barbara Camwell Ness has started to harass me once again. This time on a site called "LiarsandCheaters". This has been going on for over 6 years. Barbara just can't stop. She can't help herself. I don't know why she feels the need to continue to harass me. I haven't written a thing since I started this thread, about her.
I would love to be included on a lawsuit against her. I don't know how else we will get her to stop. Guardian knows my number and if any of you want to talk, pm me.
We need to do this. Please, lets get together on this one.
I've had an awful year, my husband died a few months ago. I don't need to be harassed by Barbara. I don't need her anger in my life. I've enough worries. I don't need her threatening my children.
One of these days she's going to write the wrong thing about the wrong person.
Thank you all for listening. I don't know what I'd do without this site.
 
I'm so sorry to hear about your husband :( No you don't "need" any more nasty energy in your life. It's like Barbara can't NOT be harassing someone, which is such a total irony, in that she has multiple Facebook sites that focus on cyber harassment. It is the perfect irony, really, that Barbara Camwell Ness hides behind these sites. It reminds me of a two year old that covers their face with their hands and giggle because they think if they can't see you, you can't see them. It is CLASSIC illustration of the primitive mind-set of pathological people. Even reading this, Barbara can't truly understand it, much less believe it, because she has zero empathy. Between her and McGrannahan, they've lived their lives missing massive chunks of it due to their inability to have actual RELATIONSHIPS with others.

Lack of real, meaningful human relationships creates the perpetual harassment of McGrannahan and Barbara Camwell Ness. They still need the connection, but their pathology perverts that need, and when harassing one person stops fulfilling them, they move on to get their goodies from another person. We're dealing with truly disturbed persons, living half lives, and they know they are "different" and they know they are missing something everyone else seems to have in abundance. That's what fuels their compulsion to harass, basically, it's all they have. It's all they can actually feel. It's a miserable life. Worse, they are human generators of misery for others, which they feel entitled to "share". Their misery is somehow made "better" by making others miserable. How extremely screwed up is that? It's not YOUR fault or MY fault these idiots live the miserable, limited existence they do, and like hell could we do a thing about it!

My best advice, (being Kim Stewart mentioned above lol) is to simply ignore them. Responding in any way feeds their pervertedness, and actually makes it worse. McGrannahan and Camwell have been emailing me for months without a response, it's like they don't NEED me to respond, the whole shitpile is going on inside their nasty little heads. That is known as "responding to internal stimuli", a psychiatric term referencing mental illness -- how a person is so locked inside their own disturbance they *think* they are receiving stimuli from the "outside" but are in fact unable to determine outside stimuli from internal stimuli. I'm telling you, these two are frankly disturbed. We are not talking about garden variety vengefulness here, we're talking deeply deformed psychologies.

Thankfully the crap they do post on defamation sites is written by them, via their pathetically obvious rhetoric. I've shown some of the crap written about me and the FIRST thing the person reading has commented is "God what's wrong with her?" They don't look at me as if Mary and Barbara's BS is telling them something new about me. Their first response is that there is something terribly wrong with the writer. Which is perfectly true :)
 

notavictimanymore

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"Thankfully the crap they do post on defamation sites is written by them, via their pathetically obvious rhetoric. I've shown some of the crap written about me and the FIRST thing the person reading has commented is "God what's wrong with her?" They don't look at me as if Mary and Barbara's BS is telling them something new about me. Their first response is that there is something terribly wrong with the writer. Which is perfectly true :)"

This is so true. Anyone who knows me, knows I'm a good person. I don't understand why Barbara thinks someone would believe her bull*hit. She is so demented that she believes people will think it's true. Maybe she thinks it will drive me as crazy as she is. I feel sorry for her children who have to deal with her.
I'd like to talk with you more. I'm not sure why, but I can't pm yet. It would be best if it was not said on this thread. Anyway, until I can pm........I'm on the board.

Thanks for your wonderful insight. I'm sorry that the same thing that has happened to me has happened to you. It's been 6 years now. She just can't stop!
And thanks for your words about my husband. I miss him.
 

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Very sorry about the loss of your husband, too, and words often can be of little comfort as you are dealing with many issues. Have been following this thread off and on and am aghast at the wreckage this woman causes in lives. I don't have the knowledge to say how this should be dealt with exactly; it is difficult. Am very thankful you have connected with people here and have help from people like Guardian. Perhaps anonymous others will help in ways not yet realized. Keep your spirits up. If you are doing EE, this will help. :)
 

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notavictimanymore said:
This is so true. Anyone who knows me, knows I'm a good person. I don't understand why Barbara thinks someone would believe her bull*hit. She is so demented that she believes people will think it's true.

Yup, I think that's part of the pathology, the 'paths really think people believe their lies.

I'd like to talk with you more. I'm not sure why, but I can't pm yet. It would be best if it was not said on this thread. Anyway, until I can pm........I'm on the board.

I don't know why your PM doesn't work, there may be a number of posts required before that feature is available? You're welcome to email me about this case if you wish? "guardian @ outofthedark.com" (no spaces) Please put "Barbara Camwell" or "Mary McGrannahan" in the subject line so my spam filters don't eat your mail.
 

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Briseis said:
They still need the connection, but their pathology perverts that need, and when harassing one person stops fulfilling them, they move on to get their goodies from another person.


This is so true! They really are "Serial Cyperstalkers" I think it's the same mentality as found in Serial Rapists and even Serial Killers to a lesser degree....at least with Barbara Camwell Ness.

I'm not really sure about Mary Mcgrannahan, she seems to go after people who "do her wrong" somehow in her own warped little Borderline mind. But she also runs and hides when someone like Kester shows her up and gives her a good legal beating.

Barbara on the other hand, just bounces from victim to victim, not quite at random...but dern close. She HAS to have a victim to stalk, it's like an obsession.

The good news is I think we're getting some excellent legal precedents against cyberstalkers, both civil and criminal, directly due to these women.
 

notavictimanymore

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Camwell Ness is definitely a serial cyberstalker. I've got pages of crap on her as I know all of you do too. I'm out of her game. She can have a field day writing about me. I'm sure she believes she knows all about me and my life. It just blows my mind. She got caught over 6 years ago talking shit about me and the owner of WomanSavers and she just can't get over it. Does she not realize if she quit, then maybe people would forget about her? Why would she want to get herself in so much trouble with the authorities?
Maybe she wants to go to jail. I don't know anymore. She's way beyond anything I've ever experienced.
 
I'm not sure, but you probably need a few more posts in order to be able to PM. Hey, what an opportunity, you can vent and describe what's happened to you and then bang, you can PM :D Believe it or not, your experiences with Barbara Camwell Ness are helpful for other's to read. This forum ranks first page google search status for BCN, so it's not just you venting, you are helping others of her victims, as well.

The irony is that once BCN is understood, more or less, she is pitiful while capable of great harm. She has been unable to use her real name in the past two or three years, due to the strategic backlash against her. She has to use Facebook's anonymity to even continue her games, which I have no doubt is less gratifying for her. Slowly but surely she's being cornered and limited and disempowered. She has to use a pen name like Red Flag or whatever rather than her own name because Facebook and a ton of other people are intent upon wiping out her plague. These things take time to happen, and on the personal level, it is a LONG time to endure attacks.

On a personal level, seriously ask yourself if such a psychologically disturbed individual as Barbara Camwell Ness has ANY real power to defame you. Like I said above, she can't "write" a thing without outing herself, she's almost as obvious as Mary McGrannahan. Her rhetoric is deeply entrenched and predictable as long as I've been watching her, which is the last four years.

People like her and McGrannahan present us with a valuable task: The task of taking back RESPONSIBILITY for the most basic personal decisions on who you are, what you are, and why. NO ONE has that power except YOU, when you decide it is so.

BCN will write defamation shite about you and the next person until she strokes out and can't communicate at all. She won't stop. She lives for this, she exists in such a pathetically limited state that she can't NOT strive to defame someone. Consider it brain damage, on her part.

I must have seven or eight sites focusing on defaming me, between Kester's site, the plentiful defamation sites and a couple more blogs. BCN and Mary McGrannahan have spent some crazy amount of time researching me to the point I'd feel complimented except that I know they are terrified of me because I don't run screaming from them.

The longer it goes on, the more obvious it is they are pitiful. They hardly realize their defamation is read literally by NO ONE except those of us who monitor them. For Kester and Sandra Brown, they've suffered more because they have an internet reputation, but even so, their rhetoric blares their pathetic mental state.
 

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What never ceases to amaze me is that we occupy such huge spaces in their brains. They really do NOT have a life.
 
Laura said:
What never ceases to amaze me is that we occupy such huge spaces in their brains. They really do NOT have a life.

There is a term in psychiatry called "poverty of thought". It's used to describe the evident "lack" within a schizophrenic person's internal life. If you ask a schizophrenic person what they think about the recent USA election, you get a blank look, a moment of quick thinking, and then some regurgitated and UNthought out sound byte. That's a bit exaggerated but it illustrates the point . . . they are preoccupied by internal stimuli and self-generated dramas where they can put themselves in the center. Everything that doesn't place them in a central position goes over their head, I think. It doesn't keep their attention because they can't understand anything that isn't about them.

I've been getting emails from Barbara Camwell Ness for months, with no response from me. She doesn't need me to respond, she has this nutty internal representation of me she apparently spends a ton of time talking to and responding to (lol). Thus, responding to internal stimuli while mistaking it for actual outside-herself stimuli.

It's like they know they are missing something that everyone else takes for granted. It must be that "life" you speak of.
 

notavictimanymore

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Laura said:
What never ceases to amaze me is that we occupy such huge spaces in their brains. They really do NOT have a life.

This has also amazed me for years. BCN's sockpuppets have all moved on. BCN can't. The thing that amazes me with her harassing me is that it wasn't only me that outted her. She was in the WS's chatroom talking about the owner and I, when another member went into the chat room and read what they were saying. She c and p'd it and sent it to me and several other members. I just happened to be the one who sent that conversation to the owner of the site. The owner in turn, sent it to BCN asking for an explanation.
Thats when BCN got her WS's Blog taken away. No one read it anyway. It was all c and p'd from articles that no one was interested in. Just like her site. She's taken it out on me ever since. Guess she doesn't realize it was her mouth, not mine, that got her in trouble with the site owner.

I went onto WS's last night, all this brought up the memories of it, and it is a dead site now. BCN started the downsizing of it. I'm not sure if anyone here was on WS's when this all started but BCN convinced her 'gang' that myself and a few other members were out to get them. Real names were passed around by BCN and her gang and that's when they started to harass all of us. BCN pulled up all our background checks (bet that cost her a pretty penny) and posted them on line. Little did she know, we did a background check on her and we passed it around.

I'm still in contact with two of these women. I have all these things in a note book. I've saved copies for over 6 years. Back in the day, BCN would send me e-mails from anonymous sites telling me what a -jezebel- I am. My God! She was whacked out! Still is. Yes, I copied them. I must admit I wasn't as good as I am today at saving her crap. But I do have a pile of it!!

If she spent as much time on her home, ie. cleaning, cooking, as she does thinking of ways to harass me, she may have a chance at a semi-normal life.

Your right about the fact that I'm the only one who googles my name. If anyone I know did, they'd have a good time laughing. As with you Briseis, people who know me, know I'm a good person and that it's all harassment. She has no life outside of the internet. No job, no way to vent her anger except to harass people on the internet. What a waste of her time and energy. Sad.
 

sandrabrownma

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Not a Victim, can you PM the types of background check items she posted about you and others? Do you have contact information for the others in case we would like to contact them about the group case? you can PM here or through out website saferelationshipsmagazine Thanks
 

notavictimanymore

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I can' pm here yet. I do have contact info for them. I'll try your site.
Thank you! BCN just threatened me again about calling the FBI. She believes this will scare me. It's unreal what goes through these psycho stalkers minds. She really needs a life!
 
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