Boycott Israeli products

domi

The Living Force
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I noticed today that you have an animated gif that links to a page with information on boycotting Isreali products.
When I saw this, one of the first things that came to my mind was: what about Palestinian products? To me it would make sense to support those then instead.

A quick look at http://www.cassiopedia.org/wiki/index.php?title=EAN-13#Country_codes reveals that there is no dedicated code for Palestine.

Does that mean that boycotting products starting with a 729 code also boycots products from Palestine? If that is true then that is counter the goal of this campaign (or is it?). I couldn't find any info to the contrary.

Anyone?
 
To support palestinian products and boycott israeli products should go hand in hand.

But how often do you check if the product you're buying supports Israel? As for me, I generally buy the cheapest option available... (it's a shame, I know.)

I heard that to boycott Israeli products was illegal in the USA. Is it true?

I heard that if you call a company and ask if they support Israel or sell israeli products,
they are supposed to call the Feds to report this! Is it true?
 
baklavatsky said:
To support palestinian products and boycott israeli products should go hand in hand.

But how often do you check if the product you're buying supports Israel? As for me, I generally buy the cheapest option available... (it's a shame, I know.)

I heard that to boycott Israeli products was illegal in the USA. Is it true?
Not to my knowledge - but, I do have gaping holes in my 'knowledge base'. If one knows a product is made in Israel and chooses not to buy it for that reason - no law against that.

baklavatsky said:
I heard that if you call a company and ask if they support Israel or sell israeli products,
they are supposed to call the Feds to report this! Is it true?
Hmm, I've no idea, really, though it sounds like a bit of a 'tall tale' to me - meaning it sounds dubious. One could always call such a company from a pay phone using a pseudonym and covering any nearby surveillance cameras, I suppose. All in all, I think that might be an 'urban legend' - but, you never know.

a
 
If any "Palestinian" products are sold under the Israeli aegis, you can be sure that the Palestinians are not getting the money for them witness the many reports of Israel withholding even earned wages from Palestinians.

See: Israel's Policy: Starve the Palestinians
http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/articles/show/113469-Israel%26%2339%3Bs+Policy%3A+Starve+the+Palestinians

and

Israeli 'ruler-in-waiting' plans to starve Hamas
http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/articles/show/111159-Israeli+%26%2339%3Bruler-in-waiting%26%2339%3B+plans+to+starve+Hamas
 
In Europe, the shops aren´t allowed to boycut American or Israeli goods for that matter, but of course the consumer is! I am convinced this covers America as well since it all has to do with the rules and legislation of international trade.
 
domiva,

If you follow the link and review the page SOTT links to in the animation, there are sources where you buy such as, "Holy Land Olive Oil" which helps the Palestinians directly. You can also submit links to that page and they can be added to it, increasing that ability.
 
anart said:
baklavatsky said:
To support palestinian products and boycott israeli products should go hand in hand.

But how often do you check if the product you're buying supports Israel? As for me, I generally buy the cheapest option available... (it's a shame, I know.)

I heard that to boycott Israeli products was illegal in the USA. Is it true?
Not to my knowledge - but, I do have gaping holes in my 'knowledge base'. If one knows a product is made in Israel and chooses not to buy it for that reason - no law against that.

baklavatsky said:
I heard that if you call a company and ask if they support Israel or sell israeli products,
they are supposed to call the Feds to report this! Is it true?
Hmm, I've no idea, really, though it sounds like a bit of a 'tall tale' to me - meaning it sounds dubious. One could always call such a company from a pay phone using a pseudonym and covering any nearby surveillance cameras, I suppose. All in all, I think that might be an 'urban legend' - but, you never know.

a
In France it's forbidden by law (Loi n°77-574 du 7 juin 1977 - modified in 1992?)

"Le législateur a adopté la loi n°77-574 dite loi "anti-boycottage" du 7 juin 1977 disposant que le boycott doit être considéré comme un acte discriminatoire de type économique. Le Législateur français a ainsi édicté des sanctions pénales
 
talking about boycott of Israel, here is a new documentary on antisemitism in Britain. in 6 parts.
part 1: _www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkCTH7LK7OU

Nothing really new, just the same old accusations of antisemitism at each and every legitimate criticism of Israel. They try to alarm us into believing that violent acts of antisemitism are on the rise in Britain.
 
Guess it depends on where you shop.

Lots of places here in the US have shops owned and run by Palestinians. I know what family that money supports. The only reason I know this is because of knowing many personally, and shopping in their bakeries for years and years.

There's also a huge shop on the beach in Hollywood, Florida, that's owned and run by Israeli's. Nothing in their store is from Israel. So by boycotting their shop, are we boycotting China? or Haiti? or Jamaica? They also sell shell ornaments made by locals that live in the Keys and surrounding area.

Having lived in South Florida for most of my life, it's just a given that who ever moved here from another country, (and there are so many in that melting pot) regularly sends money home to family. It's not considered bad form if people from Haiti, or Jamaica, or even Cuba do this. But when the Lebanese or Palestinians do it, not only is it bad form, the PTB try to make a huge deal about it.

So if it pleases the PTB, I'll just continue to shop their local bakeries.

Peg
 
I think the boycott is actually targeting products made in Israel, not just any products sold by an Israeli ex-patriot, so unless these merchants were selling goods made in Israel, I don't think it would apply. fwiw
 
Thank you Anne, that was one of the points I should have made.

I do know that the bakeries I frequented back home do send money back to their families. I've heard stories that would curl your hair, and have seen some examples of it first hand when I was in Lebanon. If it weren't for some of them working in other countries, their families would starve.

Not all Israeli's are supporting the "cause" back home either. The people I know in Hollywood are just trying to make a living like the rest of us, and help locals to make a few bucks as well. They've been subject to the Israeli boycott, and my personal opinion is that one should really research where the money goes before spending it.

Peg
 
The boycott is a pacifier, something you give to a baby to convince it that it is feeding, when it really receives no nourishment.

I personally like kosher foods as a general rule, I also love various traditional arabic foods. Jewish people are not the enemy, they are just as duped as americans. I am not going to stop buying coke because I don't agree with what america is doing to the Hawaiians, or other native americans. Where does this connection come from? It's a great way to feel like you are accomplishing something, when truthfully, you are basically sucking on a piece of rubber. It's iconoclasty at it's most pointless.

If you want to fight oppression and exploitation, get in the trenches and start spreading the truth in an intelligent way, be creative with it, if you really want to help those people, help the truth of their situation get out.
 
Agreed.

A blind boycott of anything Israeli in the the guise of "proxy" transference of action, i.e. bleed someone who is Israeli to squeeze them into shaking their fists at the Zionist controlled (and definitely EVIL) Israeli regime in the hope to effect change, only affects THEM and not the regime.

The weak "mechanics" here is that since you support "X', we will starve you out. The only thing that happens here is that you starve them out, you don't change any mindsets. If you think someone changed because of these actions, you are only seeing a change of a mask in service of self-preservation.

It may change their point of view and may get some to re-evaluate their views, but it may only be because of their well being being squeezed, and not really because they've had a change of heart.

So: make your point this way if you choose, but it is no different than pasting a yellow Star of David on the shop window. Same mechanism, different reason, eh?

Get to know the PEOPLE. Things aren't black and white, as desirable as this would be.



Here is an example of a boycott that works, and why it does:

There was an Israeli technology company in the IT field that put out a firewall. The Israelis have some fantastic tech companies, doing some great work.

This security company produced a top flight firewall, it was the darling in all the tech groups. And by groups, I mean the serious guys, not your garden variety SMB, but Government.


It was eventually found out that this firewall, a device that protects against willful intrusion, and routes traffic in a known way (the epitome of data security), was actually breaching it's trust model by sending data to a third party. The third party recipient was ultimately in Israel.



Two things here:

1) a product that was deemed trustworthy in a security field, was not. (Ok, so company X is blacklisted, which was the case). Companies in the West are regarded as individual entities without allegiance.

2) The company was Israeli. And it being such, was not considered to be a single entity without strings.


The result?

In the States or Canada, many Israeli tech companies that form startups in the land of bilk and honey, never get off the ground.

Why? Because any Israeli company in the tech sector is considered less trustworthy than the lowest of the low, in fact they rate below South Africa in the security arena.

In a very specific area, the thing that was proposed was the very thing that was breached. "By their actions, shall you know them".

It is known that the Israelis are very much organized horizontally and vertically in everything. There is not much separation between government and the endeavours of the private sector. There is a thread that ideologically binds them together, and is also exploited.

And this being understood by those who track them (and within the very narrow incident provided above), is enough to make it applicable to anything that their good citizens produce, regardless of their intent.

In this case, what was proposed was TRUST, and what was breached was TRUST, by a single Israeli company. BECAUSE they were Israeli, it is implied and KNOWN that they are under the purview of a control structure and coordinated. And therefore, no more Israeli companies (in this sector) can be trusted. (As a side note, there's a doc on the net which may be relevant, something to do with the "300".)


In the example given above in the security tech industry (the importance being the gravity of the information inherent and flowing through it), and because of HOW the Israelis are, they shot themselves in the foot. They are one, and a single detected breach of "say this, do that" from a single branch in their tree has poisoned them in the eyes of many in a particular area. They are as good as dead.


The point here with this example and the local baker is: CONTEXT.

Make sure that you don't mistake starving the people with starving the regime.

There's a difference.

You have to identify the proper vector to effect change. And on many, many, many levels, it is dependent on CONTEXT and your perception thereof. (You better make sure you understand what it is you are REALLY doing by taking any action, and WHY).
 
Hi Azur,

Laura said:
If any "Palestinian" products are sold under the Israeli aegis, you can be sure that the Palestinians are not getting the money for them witness the many reports of Israel withholding even earned wages from Palestinians.

See: Israel's Policy: Starve the Palestinians
http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/articles/show/113469-Israel%26%2339%3Bs+Policy%3A+Starve+the+Palestinians

and

Israeli 'ruler-in-waiting' plans to starve Hamas
http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/articles/show/111159-Israeli+%26%2339%3Bruler-in-waiting%26%2339%3B+plans+to+starve+Hamas
This is the context to which I was referring. For those who don't know or can't possibly find out where the money goes, then spend it where you KNOW it goes. I agree with Jason, boycotts are a pacifier. But the opposite, spending money where you know it will do some good for a family, no matter where they are, isn't a boycott.

Granted, there are Palestinians that support their "cause" too, so it's a twisted road.

Peg
 
The money as leverage idea only displaces the desperate and the greedy.

It's fairly easy to see why this doesn't work as a means to effect change.
 
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