'Brexit' wins, UK to leave the EU?

Re: Brexit wins, UK to leave the EU

Dynamite stuff here.

This is the leader of one of the UK's largest trade unions telling the BBC's Andrew Marr that a conspiracy is afoot to unseat Corbyn, and that a PR company with close ties to Blair is behind it:

Len McCluskey accuses PR company of masterminding Labour leadership crisis
UK Independent, 3 July 2016

The general secretary of the Unite union, which helped Jeremy Corbyn win his leadership victory last year, claimed that MPs who have joined the call for Mr Corbyn's resignation have been manipulated by Portland Communications, a public relations company set up by Tim Allan, who previously worked under Tony Blair as a Downing Street spin doctor.

Mr McCluskey said:

“I’ll be honest: I’m amazed that some of the MPs have fallen into a trap. I think they’ve been seduced by sinister forces.

“If the BBC want to do an investigatory programme of a company called Portland, feel free to do so. This is a PR company with strong links to Tony Blair and right wing Labour MPs who’ve been involved in this orchestrated coup, and the coup has failed.”

This has been a political lynching of a decent man – undermined, humiliated, attacked in order to push him out. The truth is, it’s failed – the coup has failed. Jeremy Corbyn is made of sterner stuff. He is a man of steel who has made it clear that he will not step down.”
 
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Wow, they actually announced - 3 weeks ago - that they would be launching a propaganda "blitz" to remove Corbyn after the referendum...

Labour rebels hope to topple Jeremy Corbyn in 24-hour blitz after EU referendum
The Telegraph, UK, 13 June 2016

Labour rebels believe they can topple Jeremy Corbyn after the EU referendum in a 24-hour blitz by jumping on a media storm of his own making.

Moderate MPs who believe Mr Corbyn can never win back power think his failure to close down public rows which flare up and dominate the news channels leaves him vulnerable.

By fanning the flames with front bench resignations and public criticism they think the signatures needed to trigger a leadership race can be gathered within a day.

They see the tactic as a way of securing public support for the move while targeting what is perceived as one of the Labour leader’s major flaws – indecision.

It comes after Mr Corbyn failed to sack a Labour MP accused of anti-Semitism within 24 hours and was mocked for overseeing the “longest reshuffle in history” earlier this year.

After the referendum Labour splits will return to the fore as the Tories call a string of parliamentary voters on Trident renewal and banning councils holding Israeli boycotts to help rebuild party unity.

Fresh clashes over party reform and another shadow cabinet reshuffle given that prominent figures are running to become local mayors look set to dominate this summer.

There is no single plan for getting rid of Mr Corbyn and moderates are split on whether to launch a coup or bide their time until the party membership changes its mind.

While losing the EU referendum is seen as fatal by many to Mr Corbyn's leadership, continued speculation remains about a challenge if the referendum brings an In vote.

Possible hint here that this was, in fact, the plan: rig a 'Leave result', then blame Corbyn for it.

Rather than naming a date to make their move - as some had done with May's local elections - some rebels now believe taking advantage of an opportune row holds the beast chance of success.

“It is not going to be a date in the calendar, it will be on the back of a media firestorm. It could happen within 24 hours,” said one Labour MP.

Asked how the coup could take place, another said: “Things go wrong, people have had enough, you start to see resignations and it spirals from there."

Wow, the hubris. The duplicity! The... I'm lost for words!

A third Labour MP who served in the shadow cabinet said: “There is undoubtedly a frustration and a simmering anger. After the referendum there is going to be an immense number of lessons to learn and decisions to make.

How can this mystery 'Labour MP' have possibly known this with such certainty, two weeks prior to the referendum?

“It is likely to be a pang of frustration that makes one colleague say ‘enough and enough’ and just resign. If one person did it and said to others ‘how about it’, things are desperate enough that it will happen.”

Despite the private attacks, most Labour MPs are unsure about how – or if – Mr Corbyn can be toppled given his continued support among party members.

The Labour leader’s team are increasingly confident Mr Corbyn will not face a putsch in the near future and have reshuffled his senior aides as they look to make policy changes at party conference this autumn.

Well there you have it. Corbyn is considered such a threat to the British establishment, they manipulated 'Brexit' to get rid of him.
 
Re: Brexit wins, UK to leave the EU

More on the coup to prevent Corbyn from coming to power:

http://www.thecanary.co/2016/06/27/tony-blairs-crony-elite-want-to-snatch-labour-back-from-the-working-class/
http://www.thecanary.co/2016/06/30/pr-company-manufactured-labour-coup-part-i/
http://www.thecanary.co/2016/07/01/senior-labour-party-insider-says-plan-oust-corbyn-play-10-months-ago-exclusive/
 
Re: Brexit wins, UK to leave the EU

Windmill knight said:
Yeah, it's mind-blowing. A friend posted this article on FB:

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/06/still-iraq-war-stupid/

It’s Still the Iraq War, Stupid.
26 Jun, 2016 in Uncategorized by craig

No rational person could blame Jeremy Corbyn for Brexit. So why are the Blairites moving against Corbyn now, with such precipitate haste?

The answer is the Chilcot Report. It is only a fortnight away, and though its form will be concealed by thick layers of establishment whitewash, the basic contours of Blair’s lies will still be visible beneath. Corbyn had deferred to Blairite pressure not to apologise on behalf of the Labour Party for the Iraq War until Chilcot is published.

Yep, and everybody knows it, except the BBC, The Sun, The Daily Mail and The Express that is. Here’s Alex Salmond quoted in the Scottish Herald.:

[quote author=The Herald]Alex Salmond: The coup against Corbyn was planned to stop him calling for Blair’s head after Chilcot

In normal political times Wednesday would see the most dramatic event of the year.

Thirteen years after the Iraq war and seven years after the start of his Inquiry, Sir John Chilcot will deliver his findings. In particular for the relatives of the 179 service personnel who died, but also for everyone living with the consequences of this conflict, it has been a long time coming.

However, such has been the all enveloping chaos in Westminster too little attention has been paid to the coming Chilcot report. When the European roof is falling in on one Prime Minister it is difficult to concentrate on just how a previous one destabilised the planet.

Behind his increasingly furrowed brows Gordon Brown might be forgiven for thinking that his own rocky premiership will be reassessed as a period of relative calm between two great disasters.

It would be a mistake to believe that Chilcot and current events are entirely unconnected. The link is through the Labour Party.

I have been puzzling as to exactly why the Parliamentary Labour Party chose this moment to launch their coup against Jeremy Corbyn and just what explains the desperation to get him out last week. It can hardly be because of a European referendum where Corbyn's campaigning, although less than energetic, was arguably more visible than that of say the likely big political winner Teresa May?

Would it not have been more sensible and certainly less damaging simply to put up another candidate against Corbyn and argue the case to the country? It certainly would have made for less of a pantomime and, with both establishment parties holding simultaneous leadership elections, it would have minimised the damage. So what exactly was the urgency in getting the removal vans to visit the Corbyn's office last week?

I had a conversation on exactly this point with veteran Labour firebrand Dennis Skinner. He answered in one word “Iraq”. The Skinner line is that the coup was timed to avoid Corbyn calling for Blair’s head next Wednesday from the Despatch Box. Indeed many would say that when Corbyn stated that he would be prepared to see a former Labour Prime Minister tried for War Crimes then he sealed his fate as leader of the Parliamentary Labour Party.

Remember until last week his Foreign Affairs spokesperson was Hilary Benn, not only a supporter of the Iraq War but someone who first became a Cabinet Minister as part of the delayed fallout from the resignation of Clare Short in 2003. Indeed Benn had the “reconstruction” of Iraq as part of his Ministerial brief.

At this juncture it looks as if the coup has stalled and Corbyn will survive to fight just one last day on Wednesday. However, will the Chilcot account give him the ammunition he needs or will it be yet another establishment whitewash in the long litany of British cover ups from Suez onwards?

Chilcot will not be a verdict, that much is clear. However, it could still supply the damning evidence for the jury to bring a conviction in. In a triumph of hope over experience my political sense tells me to expect fireworks. This is not so much from the inscrutable, indeed invisible, behaviour of ex-Whitehall mandarin Chilcott but more from the behaviour of Blair. Call this my contribution to the 'Blair Watch Project'.

Just before the European referendum came to the crunch Blair was back, complete with yellowish tan, haunting the TV studios like some unwanted poltergeist.

Remember Blair has already seen the passages about him in the report. Indeed he has had months closeted way with his lawyers and spin doctors to determine his best lines of defence. In stark contrast the families of the dead will get but two hours of advance notice.

Why then would Blair decide to launch his pre-emptive strike if he wasn’t deeply worried about the Chilcot contents? What would be the point? Surely he would just have kept schtum and waited for absolution on the day.

The fact that Blair didn’t plead the fifth tells me that Chilcot is likely to be damaging and that Corbyn will have his opportunity to paint the difference between a Labour Prime Minister who led the country and the world to disaster and a Labour leader who has consistently opposed reckless adventurism in Foreign policy.

It might even remind some Labour members why they voted for Corbyn in the first place to get a clean break with the past, particularly if he is opposed by another Iraq War supporter like Angela Eagle.

However this is much bigger than a Labour Party matter. Across the House of Commons there are MPs determined to press the issue home.

If a politician gets off Scot-free with misleading Cabinet and Parliament about the reasons for war then there are no standards of behaviour left in British public life and no hope whatsoever of preventing another such disaster.

It can be argued that the lack of accountability about Iraq led Cameron on to committing many of the same blunders on a smaller scale in Libya in 2010. In Libya the UK spent thirteen times as much bombing the country as reconstructing it and the human chaos and bloody carnage of a failed state now moves like the tide across the Mediterranean.

And so it is with renewed determination that on Wednesday I will move into a secure room to read the Chilcot report, hoping that at last we will have the Blair’s big lie nailed, have exposed the pre-commitments made to Bush in 2002 and then find the correct mechanism of holding the disgraced ex Prime Minister to account.

It is unfinished business.
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So removing Corbyn was one goal of Brexit; here's the 'Foreign Office dimension':


https://youtu.be/37iHSwA1SwE

This clip is from Yes Minister, a BBC political satire sitcom in the 1980s.
 
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That's so spot-on, Niall, and funny too! :lol: I love 'Yes MInister', always so insightful.
 
Re: Brexit wins, UK to leave the EU

As we suspected, the Brexit business was never going to happen, the idea of the UK leaving the EU is completely impractical and there is no one willing to take on the job of handling the mess.

Here's a good tweet by someone that explains the situation.

If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.

Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.

With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.

How?

Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.

And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legislation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.

The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.

The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?

Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?

Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-manoeuvred and check-mated.

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.

All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign

So the question then is, what was the point of the whole farce? Other than to provide a rationale for a Labour coup against Corbyn so he wouldn't be in a position to call for Blair's head, what was the point? To expose the weaknesses of the EU to the general public? For what reason? Does the US have anything to gain from this?
 
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Joe said:
So the question then is, what was the point of the whole farce? Other than to provide a rationale for a Labour coup against Corbyn so he wouldn't be in a position to call for Blair's head, what was the point? To expose the weaknesses of the EU to the general public? For what reason? Does the US have anything to gain from this?

I think the point was to create enough temporary chaos to push several different agendas: getting rid of Corbyn and distracting people from the Chilcot report; hitting Germany's position in the EU, perhaps as warning against getting too close to Russia; a number of personal political career being advanced or reshuffled; perhaps some goodies for financial speculators too. As they say in my country: when the river is turbulent, fishermen profit.
 
Re: Brexit wins, UK to leave the EU

Niall said:
Nigel Farage resigns as Ukip leader after 'achieving political ambition' of Brexit

The Guardian, 4 July 2016

Poor fool doesn't realize it's not actually gonna happen!

So they've already removed one threat to Tory hegemony.

That was quite surprising to read. All party leaders resigning one after the other is generally not a good sign. I wouldn't be surprised if deals were made behind closed doors forcing them to resign, but it could also be due to their unwillingness to lead the country towards a Brexit.

I guess all they are waiting for now is for Corbyn to resign and then they'll start pushing to invalidate the referendum somehow, either through a parliamentary vote or some other means.
 
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More potential groundwork for stalling/backtracking:

https://www.rt.com/uk/349431-parliament-article-50-legal/
Parliament must vote on Article 50 before it’s invoked, says law firm fighting Brexit

Legal action is being taken to ensure that the formal process for the UK’s exit from the EU is not launched without the consent of the British Parliament.

London law firm Mischon de Reya is acting for a group of business people and academics who say it would be unlawful for a prime minister to invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty without a full debate and vote in Parliament.

Triggering the article would formally begin the process of Britain’s withdrawal from the EU.

There is no legal requirement that Britain invoke the article within a specific amount of time, but once notice is actually given by the prime minister, there is a two-year time limit within which an exit deal must be negotiated.

The timeframe can be extended only with the unanimous agreement of the remaining 27 member states.

Lawyer Kasra Nouroozi says the result of the referendum is not in doubt, but it needs to be enacted through a formal process.

“We must ensure that the government follows the correct process to have legal certainty and protect the UK constitution and the sovereignty of parliament in these unprecedented circumstance,” Nouroozi told the BBC.

“The outcome of the referendum itself is not legally binding and for the current or future prime minister to invoke Article 50 without the approval of parliament is unlawful.

“We must make sure this is done properly for the benefit of all UK citizens. Article 50 simply cannot be invoked without a full debate and vote in parliament.”

A prime minister acting alone under prerogative powers technically lacks the constitutional authority to invoke Article 50 without being given the authority to do so by an act of Parliament.

As the referendum was advisory and non-binding, Westminster could technically refuse to ratify the vote. About two thirds of MPs are pro-EU and could block the whole process.


However, as 52 percent of the population voted for 'Leave,' it is highly unlikely that Parliament would block a Brexit, as it would be seen as undemocratic.

London and Brussels appear to have reached a stalemate since the June 23 Brexit vote, as the EU has ruled out any possibility of holding informal talks on Britain’s exit before it invokes Article 50.

However, outgoing Prime Minister David Cameron, who in the aftermath of the vote said he is stepping down, is resisting pressure to begin the two-year talks process as quickly as possible, insisting that it is for his successor to decide when to issue the country’s formal intention to leave the bloc.

A new PM is expected to be in place by September.

There have been a number of arguments put forward as to how the UK’s departure from the EU might be slowed or stopped.

By law, the UK’s legislatures in Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland must be consulted before EU laws can be annulled – which could throw a monkey wrench into EU Brexit negotiations.

Northern Ireland and Scotland voted to 'Remain' in the EU.

Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said she would tell MPs to refuse “legislative consent” if the Scottish parliament is required to ratify the UK’s withdrawal.

There have also been calls for a referendum re-run. A petition demanding another vote has already collected over four million signatures.
 
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Windmill knight said:
That's so spot-on, Niall, and funny too! :lol: I love 'Yes MInister', always so insightful.

Yes, that was good, Niall: - It's been this way for 500 years - divide and rule and, "now that we are inside, we can make a pigs breakfast out of the whole thing."

Indeed, the Ministers have done just that, not only to the Europe.
 
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voyageur said:
Windmill knight said:
That's so spot-on, Niall, and funny too! :lol: I love 'Yes MInister', always so insightful.

Yes, that was good, Niall: - It's been this way for 500 years - divide and rule and, "now that we are inside, we can make a pigs breakfast out of the whole thing."

Indeed, the Ministers have done just that, not only to the Europe.

I used to love this show, it offers a valuable insight as to the real inner workings of the political machine.

Rt Hon Jim Hacker MP: "What appalling cynicism"

Permanent Secretary, Sir Humphrey Appleby: "Yes, we call it diplomacy"

:lol:
 
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This morning Deputy Labour leader Tom Watson will meet union leaders in a last ditch bid to oust Jeremy Corbyn. He told Labour MPs that the crunch meeting will be the 'last throw of the dice' in their efforts to force the embattled Labour leader to stand down.

After a 20-minute meeting yesterday a blunt Mr Corbyn made it clear to Mr Watson he wasn't going to quit and said a Labour MP would have to challenge him for the leadership.

If no 'resolution' is found this morning, it seems likely that Mr Watson will give the green light to Angela Eagle to launch a leadership challenge.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3673903/Come-Corbyn-issues-defiant-video-statement-bunker-Angela-Eagle-warns-challenge-soon.html


Meanwhile, despite the coup against him Jeremy Corbyn has issued a statement, focusing as usual on real issues and facts:

After the events of the past week, I wanted to talk directly to Labour Party members.

In the nine months I have been leader, the Labour Party membership has doubled and is now at its largest in our history. We have won every by-election, every mayoralty contest, we overtook the Tories in the local elections and two-thirds of our supporters voted to remain in the European Union referendum.

In parliament, the Labour Party has forced the government back on tax credits cuts, PIP disability cuts, police cuts and forced academisation.

We have achieved all this by working together. So I’m asking the whole labour movement – party members, trade unionists & MPs - to come together to oppose and defeat this Tory government......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfNFSAveoZQ
 
Re: Brexit wins, UK to leave the EU

RedFox said:
More potential groundwork for stalling/backtracking:

https://www.rt.com/uk/349431-parliament-article-50-legal/
Parliament must vote on Article 50 before it’s invoked, says law firm fighting Brexit

They're just 'playing legalese' with this. There's no legal precedent for a member-state to leave the EU, no fixed EU constitution, and no fixed British constitution... all of which means, the UK could be detached from the EU in any number of ways, provided there is the political will to do so.
 
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