'Brexit' wins, UK to leave the EU?

[Voyageur]

Re: Brexit wins, UK to leave the EU

I'm reminded, the elite just held their little secret meeting, which makes me wonder, if Brexit is just another ploy to further concentrate their "power" and consolidate their wealth - before NATO pushes all the buttons on Russia? I suspect, the American financial system will tank - just prior to NATO's last stand? And just like General Custer and his Army - the battle will be a "wipe-out"!

Here is an official NATO's note in response to the referendum result:

_http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_132769.htm?mode=pressrelease

NATO Secretary General’s statement on the outcome of the British referendum on the EU
24 Jun. 2016, Last updated: 24 Jun. 2016 10:49

The British people have decided to leave the European Union. As it defines the next chapter in its relationship with the EU, I know that the United Kingdom's position in NATO will remain unchanged. The UK will remain a strong and committed NATO Ally, and will continue to play its leading role in our Alliance.
Today, as we face more instability and uncertainty, NATO is more important than ever as a platform for cooperation among European Allies, and between Europe and North America. A strong, united and determined NATO remains an essential pillar of stability in a turbulent world, and a key contributor to international peace and security. The Alliance remains committed to closer cooperation with the European Union.[...]

It may be just them repeating their usual BS mantra, i.e. completely meaningless. Just wondering if there can be anything more to it. Looks like another one of the 'wait and see' sort to be added to the collection.

Don't know, probably the "usual BS mantra". NATO is as entrenched in the killing fields as it gets, inseparable to the US, one and the same. That little pep-talk by the Sec Gen. is enough to make one sick - "an essential pillar of stability in a turbulent world...". I wish they and their kind would just move along, go find a flat-earth-world somewhere far away. Perhaps there is a perpendicular reality for them in a cosmic septic field.

NATO, scheesh.

So yea, will have to wait and see. Perhaps "help is on the way"...

 

[Thebull]

Re: Brexit wins, UK to leave the EU

I think this article on sott is really spot-on: https://www.sott.net/article/320933-Brexit-No-vote-changes-nothing

When we talked about it yesterday, I said to my wife that I have the impression that the shepherd splits the herd of sheep in two with this, thus creating confusion and friction - one half of the herd goes to the cosy "everything's great, our elite is great, and we hate those idiots who don't understand the greatness of the EU" barn, the other half goes to the "this system is rotten to the core, and now we can finally beat up those damn foreigners that we always hated" barn. So both groups are separated, confused, hate each other, and don't talk to each other. Meanwhile, the shepherd has them in the two barns complaining about each other, while making arrangements with the slaughterhouse...

Plus, as the article says, it gives everyone the illusion that democracy is still working somehow. So the right-wingers can dream about electing their new Hitler, and the others love the system even more...

This article was spot on. I've never heard in my lifetime so much discussion about a vote in this country. It's been discussed before and after the event here people have really got involved. I kept asking myself why this has happened as its been a shock seeing the wave of interest and feelings the referendum has generated.

They have made people feel that the vote makes a difference. It really doesn't matter what happens now The media show Will keep efverybody interested and there is a lot of fear to play on that can be manipulated to whatever suits the agenda though it does seem chaotic IMO.

 

[Niall]

Re: Brexit wins, UK to leave the EU

I think this article on sott is really spot-on: https://www.sott.net/article/320933-Brexit-No-vote-changes-nothing

When we talked about it yesterday, I said to my wife that I have the impression that the shepherd splits the herd of sheep in two with this, thus creating confusion and friction - one half of the herd goes to the cosy "everything's great, our elite is great, and we hate those idiots who don't understand the greatness of the EU" barn, the other half goes to the "this system is rotten to the core, and now we can finally beat up those damn foreigners that we always hated" barn. So both groups are separated, confused, hate each other, and don't talk to each other. Meanwhile, the shepherd has them in the two barns complaining about each other, while making arrangements with the slaughterhouse...

Plus, as the article says, it gives everyone the illusion that democracy is still working somehow. So the right-wingers can dream about electing their new Hitler, and the others love the system even more...

This article was spot on. I've never heard in my lifetime so much discussion about a vote in this country. It's been discussed before and after the event here people have really got involved. I kept asking myself why this has happened as its been a shock seeing the wave of interest and feelings the referendum has generated.

They have made people feel that the vote makes a difference. It really doesn't matter what happens now The media show Will keep efverybody interested and there is a lot of fear to play on that can be manipulated to whatever suits the agenda though it does seem chaotic IMO.

I dunno.

Did you listen to the video he embedded in it?

That's PJ Watson, Jarhead Jones' British sidekick. That diatribe undermines the author's argument that this vote was likely meaningless.

The author really wants to believe, like the 'Info-warrior', that his country is white as snow relative to 'the evil globalists'.

Newsflash: the 'evil banking elite' ARE the British regime! The UK has been their primary vehicle of world domination for over 300 years!

 

[luc]

Re: Brexit wins, UK to leave the EU

I dunno.

Did you listen to the video he embedded in it?

That's PJ Watson, Jarhead Jones' British sidekick. That diatribe undermines the author's argument that this vote was likely meaningless.

The author really wants to believe, like the 'Info-warrior', that his country is white as snow relative to 'the evil globalists'.

Newsflash: the 'evil banking elite' ARE the British regime! The UK has been their primary vehicle of world domination for over 300 years!

I didn't listen to the video initially, but listened to it now - geez, what was that!? If he sneaked it in like that in an otherwise interesting article (IMO), then it's really fishy. It reminds me of the right-wing "alternative sites" in Germany where they post some very good articles, only to sneak in blatant Xenophobia and Muslim-blaming/bashing. And yes, what he says about "good old Britain" is really simplistic, though I can kind of understand where he is coming from.

What I found interesting in the article was the message that voting doesn't make sense and doesn't give people any real power and the image of the sheep and goats. Also, that he says Britain should have never joined the EU - Yanis Varoufakis made a similar point (before the vote) which I found interesting; he said that Britain should have never joined the EU/that the EU should never have developed the way it did in the first place, but now that's a reality and we should all work together, and that's why he is against a Brexit, whereas he was for the Scottish referendum. I think this is the kind of discussion that is actually helpful.

But yes, rereading the article now with the "right-wing" angle in mind, although the author made some important points IMO, there are a couple of red flags. Articles like that may contribute to the division of people, and I think this is the last thing we need right now.

 

[Scottie]

Re: Brexit wins, UK to leave the EU

Yesterday, there was this:

TTIP ‘doesn’t respect EU interests’: French PM Valls says ‘non’ to transatlantic treaty

France’s Prime Minister Manuel Valls has dismissed the possibility of an agreement on the US-EU transatlantic trade deal, since it goes against the interests of the European Union.

“No free trade agreement should be concluded if it does not respect EU interests. Europe should be firm. France will be vigilant about this,” Valls said addressing members of the governing Socialist Party on Sunday, AFP reported.

“I can tell you frankly, there cannot be a transatlantic treaty agreement. This agreement is not on track,” Valls added.

I think this might be the first time that I actually agree with Valls...


At the moment, I suspect the PTB decided to rig the Brexit vote in the opposite direction. Already we are seeing stories of right-wing parties gaining in popularity, Soros says the EU is doomed to collapse now, etc.

It almost seems like "they" decided to just stir up chaos. Then they may try to direct that chaos the way they want - like they usually do.

When a European PM comes out and says point blank, "No TTIP!" then you can be sure there is going to be some more "fun" coming around the bend.

For some reason, I keep thinking of a "Syria Situation", but this time in an EU country (or countries)...

We'll see!

 

[RedFox]

Re: Brexit wins, UK to leave the EU

At the moment, I suspect the PTB decided to rig the Brexit vote in the opposite direction. Already we are seeing stories of right-wing parties gaining in popularity, Soros says the EU is doomed to collapse now, etc.

It almost seems like "they" decided to just stir up chaos. Then they may try to direct that chaos the way they want - like they usually do.

When a European PM comes out and says point blank, "No TTIP!" then you can be sure there is going to be some more "fun" coming around the bend.

For some reason, I keep thinking of a "Syria Situation", but this time in an EU country (or countries)...

We'll see!

Are TPTB going for a scorched earth policy as Syria has failed to achieve it's goals? That is, set the EU alight so Russia get's nothing?
If so, here's hoping it back fires.

 

[realitybugll]

Re: Brexit wins, UK to leave the EU

It doesn't look good today. The problem is that asset markets are overvalued. That's the main problem I think. The brexit vote is a pretext for stock markets to sell off. If there will be a recession in the Uk economy, brexit didn't cause it. I am saying it is not that. And there should not be a suggestion that the european project has failed because it has not. These are scare stories. The EU is very adaptive, we see over the previous decades. I thought Tusk was already showing the right approach. he made a pragmatic and overall good statement, bidding the UK farewell. Yet I'm not clear, there is already some controversy over the negotiations for when to negotiate.

 

[Ca.]

Re: Brexit wins, UK to leave the EU

It doesn't look good today. The problem is that asset markets are overvalued. That's the main problem I think. The brexit vote is a pretext for stock markets to sell off. If there will be a recession in the Uk economy, brexit didn't cause it. I am saying it is not that. And there should not be a suggestion that the european project has failed because it has not. These are scare stories. The EU is very adaptive, we see over the previous decades. I thought Tusk was already showing the right approach. he made a pragmatic and overall good statement, bidding the UK farewell. Yet I'm not clear, there is already some controversy over the negotiations for when to negotiate.

It was all (EU), pretty much domed at inception. With world banking cartels looting the EU countries from 2007 till bust.

The European Union Explained*
2013
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O37yJBFRrfg

Was The Eurozone A Bad Idea?
2015
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwsxJ4PSpO0

6 Factors That Point to Global Recession in 2016 - Economic Crisis
2016
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY7HwALKKwY

Here's one example of how the The USSA was wrecked as well.

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[Laura]

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Meanwhile, the "Brexit" has had some knock-on effects:


Turkey reopens probe into suspected killer of Russian pilot
https://www.rt.com/news/348556-celik-investigation-reopened-turkey/

followed by:
Erdogan apologizes to Putin over death of Russian pilot - Kremlin
https://www.rt.com/news/348562-putin-erdogan-turkey-pilot/

Just a minute ago, Erdogan didn't give a hoot about Russia and was all about getting in the EU no matter what, and now, all of a sudden, he wants to cozy up to the bear.

Will wonders never cease?!

 

[Carl]

Re: Brexit wins, UK to leave the EU

Turkey reopens probe into suspected killer of Russian pilot
https://www.rt.com/news/348556-celik-investigation-reopened-turkey/

followed by:
Erdogan apologizes to Putin over death of Russian pilot - Kremlin
https://www.rt.com/news/348562-putin-erdogan-turkey-pilot/

You couldn't make this stuff up. He displays the diplomatic skills of a 4 year old and just does not care.

 

[kalibex]

Re: Brexit wins, UK to leave the EU

The instant surge of ferocious xenophobia in the vote's wake is indeed disturbing, but I guess shouldn't be surprising.

 

[RedFox]

Re: Brexit wins, UK to leave the EU

Turkey reopens probe into suspected killer of Russian pilot
https://www.rt.com/news/348556-celik-investigation-reopened-turkey/

followed by:
Erdogan apologizes to Putin over death of Russian pilot - Kremlin
https://www.rt.com/news/348562-putin-erdogan-turkey-pilot/

You couldn't make this stuff up. He displays the diplomatic skills of a 4 year old and just does not care.

Holy moly, first Valls saying no to TTIP and now this? All we need now is the EU to drop Russian sanctions.

 

[Carl]

Re: Brexit wins, UK to leave the EU

The instant surge of ferocious xenophobia in the vote's wake is indeed disturbing, but I guess shouldn't be surprising.

That and the markets. It's got me scared for sure, but from another perspective, things are finally 'moving along'...

 

[macyk]

Re: Brexit wins, UK to leave the EU

Erdogan apologizes to Putin over death of Russian pilot - Kremlin
https://www.rt.com/news/348562-putin-erdogan-turkey-pilot/

Oh my god.
Turkey have economy reasons for it or something more?

Today is a day of a big surprises from Turkey.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/26/israel-and-turkey-to-announce-end-of-six-year-stand-off

 

[Siberia]

Re: Brexit wins, UK to leave the EU

Turkey reopens probe into suspected killer of Russian pilot
https://www.rt.com/news/348556-celik-investigation-reopened-turkey/

followed by:
Erdogan apologizes to Putin over death of Russian pilot - Kremlin
https://www.rt.com/news/348562-putin-erdogan-turkey-pilot/

You couldn't make this stuff up. He displays the diplomatic skills of a 4 year old and just does not care.

Here's last year's cartoon. Nothing has changed, except for the gestures.