Broken body clock

[TOTEM36]

Thanks Psyche,

Hi hallowed,

Did you eliminated your anti-depressant completely already?

At the moment i am taking 7.5mg on Sunday and Thursday nights only, until i find a solution, but i am all over the shop.

Hi hallowed,

If you sleep fine with 50mg of 5HTP, you might not need more. But know that usually one needs 300mg of 5 HTP in order to fill up the tank so to speak. You can take enough 5HTP in order to have a good night sleep. If you only need 50mg, then that's it. You can have the rest (250mg in this case) with meals in order to increase your levels more physiologically over 2 weeks. You'll need magnesium to help out this process.

Oh, i see, so if 50mg is adequate then i would just need 250mg for the first 2 weeks to get adjusted.

I think i have to give this a go at the very least.

Know that doing a diet will eventually obviate the need of 5 HTP and stabilize your mood. A lot of people come off of all these supplements when they do the diet. Check out this tread for more info:

Really appreciate the advice.

 

[TOTEM36]

Last week on Thursday was my last intake of mirtazipine(Remeron) after my body rejected it, and i didnt sleep again, and had some big panic reactions at work (scary).

This is following 3 months of reducing the dose and barely sleeping as a result.

I ordered 5-htp over the net but it will take 5 days to get here (and i cant wait until then).

Yesterday, 4 days since my final dose I really lost it again due to withdrawal, I couldnt handle it. I started to stress about what i could do because i dont know how bad i will get in the next few days.

Psyche, i looked up the Magnesium supplement you mentioned indirectly and went straight to the chemist so i could give that a go as a temporary experiment until 5-htp arrives. (believe me i was rambling a bit to the chemist).

I am happy i did try Magnesium. I have noticed a change that feels like a moderate glowing feeling- i was not expecting anything. I feel reduced discomfort, hopefully sleep will return tonight - i think it will.

Thanks Psyche for mentioning Magnesium - ok I'll shut-up now.

 

[Ellipse]

Hi hallowed,

1/ Of course, if not already done, eliminate all kind of stimulant. Nor more coffee, tea, coca-cola, alcohol and perhaps even sugar. Drink herb tea starting right at the morning. Vervain, Melissa, Tilia and Valerian if you are able to find it. Eventually combine the first three. Buy passion flower and take it before going to sleep.

2/ Do not watch TV and avoid other stimulus 2 hours before going to sleep. Even the light must be very soft during this two hours.

3/ Have a check with an osteopath.

 

[TOTEM36]

Thanks Elipse,

2 Black coffees (no sugar) which is my only crutch that i am removing, but am alternating with straight hot water- it works!

Funny you mention passion flower, i read about that one, and was searching for passion flower 'tea' at two supermarkets yesterday when i got the Magnesium.

I really appreciate your advice and the idea of visiting a osteopath.

 

[Ellipse]

I really appreciate your advice and the idea of visiting a osteopath.

Yes, your problem can be a problem of synchronisation between the neuro-spinal system and the rest of the body.

 

[anart]

GABA is also great for anxiety/panic attacks. It sounds like you could definitely use some (and LOSE the coffee!!)

 

[TOTEM36]

GABA is also great for anxiety/panic attacks. It sounds like you could definitely use some (and LOSE the coffee!!)

Thanks for the tip anart.

The 2 black coffees have to go. Im going to re-read the info today and probably order GABA today too (illegal here).

I just had my first night sleep after trying pure chelated Magnesium - (unfortunately no difference in that area - only about 4 hours broken sleep again 1:00 to 5:00), although it seems great with the agitation/anxiety during the day. Maybe i was anticipating too much?

I want GABA and 5-HTP now, but both are illegal in Australia (Class B illegal drugs) and have to be ordered online. Im going on another search today for this passionflower tea and anything else i can get. I still have to wait 4 days for 5-HTP to arrive. The feedback is very helpful and assuring.

 

[anart]

I didn't know GABA was illegal there - how bizarre. What about some valerian root tea? That has a calming effect as well, though likely less powerful. Perhaps others have better ideas...

 

[TOTEM36]

What about some valerian root tea? That has a calming effect as well, though likely less powerful.

I just found out that valerian is sold in pills at the chemist. I think that sounds like a good bet. Thanks.

 

[Johnno]

I didn't know GABA was illegal there - how bizarre. What about some valerian root tea? That has a calming effect as well, though likely less powerful. Perhaps others have better ideas...

Melatonin is as well :(

 

[TOTEM36]

I didn't know GABA was illegal there - how bizarre. What about some valerian root tea? That has a calming effect as well, though likely less powerful. Perhaps others have better ideas...

Melatonin is as well :(

Yeah thanks Johnno, i think if the 5-HTP for Insomnia does not work (when it arrives) then i will order Melatonin and GABA as the next test. They are both illegal here. Im trying not to take up too much of peoples time with my situation. Thanks for the responses, it has helped me work out a sequence.

 

[SoulOfMan]

Thanks Laura, for the detailed refernces linking diet, hormone balance and healthy sleep. I have had pronounced insomnia for some time and have begin experimenting with 5-HTP (some success so far, increasing from 100mg 2hrs before bed).

Interesting to hear of a possible connection with neck injuries! I have chest constriction and trouble breathing at night, which keeps me awake (and make EE exercise sometimes difficult). I suspect maybe an old sports injury has caused a pinched nerve in my upper back (left spine, between shoulder blades) and is impacting nerve impulses to my lungs, heart etc. Magnesium supplementation does seem to help, and eliminating gluten and dairy has definitely helped me to breathe a little easier!

I wonder if there are any particular neuro-muscular approaches that will help (I am looking into chiropractic and accupunture options).

 

[Ellipse]

Thanks Laura, for the detailed refernces linking diet, hormone balance and healthy sleep. I have had pronounced insomnia for some time and have begin experimenting with 5-HTP (some success so far, increasing from 100mg 2hrs before bed).

Interesting to hear of a possible connection with neck injuries! I have chest constriction and trouble breathing at night, which keeps me awake (and make EE exercise sometimes difficult). I suspect maybe an old sports injury has caused a pinched nerve in my upper back (left spine, between shoulder blades) and is impacting nerve impulses to my lungs, heart etc. Magnesium supplementation does seem to help, and eliminating gluten and dairy has definitely helped me to breathe a little easier!

I wonder if there are any particular neuro-muscular approaches that will help (I am looking into chiropractic and accupunture options).

If this an old injury I advise you more osteopathy than chiropraty to have a more soft approach. If you live with someone, ask him/her to massage gently the injured zone with olive oil, eventually the whole side of your back. Do it each day before sleep.