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[jhonny]

that means "a healthy spirit in a healthy body"

We have the same in russian but I think it is illusion. Better to say:
"a healthy body in a healthy spirit".

Because spirit clearance gives a lot to body. Not sure that scientists know a lot about it.

We, as human beings ( STS beings) have to start by the beginning which is: our body, so doing the low carb/high fat diet , EE practicing and self- observation work, could help you to understand the spiritual issues

 

[maxim.m]

We, as human beings ( STS beings) have to start by the beginning which is: our body

STS is reflection of wishful thinking with 2 key elements:
1. Fixing up future or some picture
2. Motivation or manipulation of others for other's sake to reach this picture.

 

[aragorn]

We, as human beings ( STS beings) have to start by the beginning which is: our body

STS is reflection of wishful thinking with 2 key elements:
1. Fixing up future or some picture
2. Motivation or manipulation of others for other's sake to reach this picture.

While I think that the idea of mind conquering matter is valid on a higher level (density), it doesn't quite work in our current, 3D modern environment. Since e.g. the time when Gurdjieff was living, the amount of toxins and harmful substances that we are ingesting through our food, water, drinks and air (pollution, chemicals) has drastically increased. Not to mention the wrong and harmful information that is put out by the medical establishment and industry.

And we can be quite sure that all this is by design, in order to dumb us down. So, as as I see it, the starting point and the requirement to start any kind of spiritual and cognitive work must be the detoxing and tuning of the body and brain. Theres a war going on to destroy our minds, and our diet and health seems to be the most effective and easiest way to keep us ignorant. That is not to say that we are not bombarded with psychological manipulation, too. And that developing your mind and spirituality isn't equally important. But in my experience, you can't see and think properly - to really start to see the objective reality of yourself and your surroundings - if you do not invest time and effort on your health and diet.

 

[emmanuel]

cherylclift,

I notice you haven't been active on the forum and may very well have left but, if you are still around (and for the benefit of newcomers who might read this thread), you might want to take the opportunity to examine your emotional responses throughout this thread. The approach of this forum is to challenge each other's beliefs and behaviours, in the hopes of coming to an objective awareness of ourselves and a mutual understanding of the reality we find ourselves in.

You seemed attached to certain notions that may or may not be true. As well, you have discounted other notions (diet, for example), assuming you know enough about those concepts to rule them out as contributors to the sensation you are experiencing. There are several things that could cause what you are experiencing, and many of them are combinations or chain reactions. While it is interesting to consider esoteric or ethereal origins of our experiences, we simply cannot accept such sources until all of the sources that are quantifiable have first been ruled out.

Since we not only gather to work on learning more about our external reality, but also our internal reality, we strive to identify and eradicate aspects of our false selves. This is painful. When we are challenged, it hurts. But it is important to know that no one challenges another to inflict pain. Pain is merely the side effect and the price one must pay for growth. Such challenges can bring us back to early childhood experiences where, for example, criticism was perceived as rejection. When we experience mechanical reactions in ourselves here, we should take note, as it becomes an opportunity to grow out of our reactive, mechanical selves. This is part of the Work, as described by Gurdjieff.

I hope you can get past your perceived wounds and use this opportunity to grow. But I also understand that sometimes we just aren't ready for the Work and need time to better prepare ourselves before exploring our mechanical selves and brace ourselves for the horrors we might uncover in the shadows of our minds.

Now, regarding why diet was constantly brought up, even after you felt you had ruled it out:
As I'm sure you are aware, diet is extremely complex, as are the human systems affected by diet. I appreciate that you seem to have dedicated a large part of your life to researching diet. Like just about everything else we study, we have found a huge amount of faulty logic, misinterpretation, ignorance, ego, and perhaps even malevolence, in much of what has been advanced as science, especially when it comes to dietary research, coming from allegedly reputable or trustworthy sources. So, spending a lot of time researching diet means one has waded through a lot of lies and truths. The question is whether a person has been able to discern one from the other.

But with all of your time researching diet, you only recently came across gluten as a potential enemy to your system. There's nothing wrong with this. In fact, it seems most health professionals, including many nutritionists, seem unaware of the huge body of research that points to gluten's addictive, mind altering and toxic effect on the human system. It merely demonstrates that we all are constantly learning more and can never know enough. But, based on what we do know, some foods can cause long-term or even permanent damage if not removed and replaced with appropriate healing regimes in time. As well, we know that diet is closely related to our mind and our body and, if the inverse of the adage "as above, so below" has any potential, the invisible aspects of ourselves as well (if such things like an etheric body even exists).

Therefore, for all these reasons, diet may always play a role in all aspects of our experience and should never be discounted so quickly.

And while you are right that there is no one-size-fits-all diet, there are truths that apply to everyone (e.g. neurotoxins like aspertame should be avoided at all times by all people). As well, there are probabilities. It makes scientific sense to use truths and probabilities when trying to troubleshoot a problem and only after we have exhausted the high probabilities should we ever consider the lower ones. And unknown unknowns (like chakra activations or kundalini) simply cannot be considered until the tangibles have been adequately evaluated and ruled out.

I feel bad that you misinterpreted having your beliefs and emotional investments challenged as being unwelcomed, but that's how things work here and is a significant part of participating in the forum. I hope you make the choice to dust yourself off, examine your reactions and seriously consider what has been shared here. If you choose to leave, that's fine too. I hope you find some other way to effectively work on yourself. Either way, we'll still be here.

Gonzo

Simply beautiful...Thank You, Gonzo.

 

[maxim.m]

While I think that the idea of mind conquering matter is valid on a higher level (density), it doesn't quite work in our current, 3D modern environment.

It works, I verified it during last 1.5 years.

So, as as I see it, the starting point and the requirement to start any kind of spiritual and cognitive work must be the detoxing and tuning of the body and brain. Theres a war going on to destroy our minds, and our diet and health seems to be the most effective and easiest way to keep us ignorant. That is not to say that we are not bombarded with psychological manipulation, too. And that developing your mind and spirituality isn't equally important. But in my experience, you can't see and think properly - to really start to see the objective reality of yourself and your surroundings - if you do not invest time and effort on your health and diet.

Agree.

 

[anart]

While I think that the idea of mind conquering matter is valid on a higher level (density), it doesn't quite work in our current, 3D modern environment.

It works, I verified it during last 1.5 years.

Maxim, please give concrete data to back up this comment. You are prone to making magical comments that make little sense, so it would be appreciated if you could work on being a bit more grounded in reality. To start, could you provide some data?

 

[Laura]

Indeed, Maxim.m, we want to hear the details of what you have done.

 

[maxim.m]

I described it in this thread:
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,27040.0.html

 

[Laura]

I described it in this thread:
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,27040.0.html

This?

Everything has negative and positive aspects. It is subjective. And depends of point of view.
But there are features that can be described w/o emotions.

Anger is a way to defend self, by creating a wall between, with a goal to restrict other in some way. So it has natural function of "increasing distance between". It is not what STS really wants. STS person wants that everything is turning around him/her. So anger is followed with conditions where aggressor "open a door in the wall", makes you even more controllable.

If there are parents and children and one of them serve to children and other "serve" and manipulate the way she/he think everything should be, there is natural tendency to increasing distance with "angry" one, and decreasing distance with one who accept. It is my own experience.

About defence. There are physical and psychic attacks. It is known fact and one should have awareness to identify those.
But most of times "not acceptance" means that there are "internal breaks" in body, where energy flow is blocked with some prejudice. And removing these "breaks" is the way to advance.

First of all I made intention to serve other. It was really hard in the beggining. Cause there were tendency to influence to everything around and because of misinterpritation of what is STO means.
I had a plan and method - mind balancing.
First you look close on some prejudice you selected to learn and count negative and positive aspects.
Second you examine reverse conception of your prejudice and also identify negative and positive aspects.
Third and Fourth you are listen to other, what they think of your prejudice and reverse conception.
It is natural way we learn and it is way to remove prejudices/distortion (term of ra material) and balance your mind.

I used forums to talk with those who have different opinions than I have. And do not talk with those who agree with me, because I dont learn this way.
Tendention to accept and serve led to changes in my body.
First my chakras were burning (4,2,3), followed with "cold wind" through it.
Second my cheeks and ears were burning - it was effect of opening up 5th chakra.

After reading this material I added "no anticipation" rule to my practice. I have to control my mind during 24 hours a day with this method. It was really tough, and I even lied in the bed a lot to restore my life force. After some breakdown there was effect of "wind blowing" in agnya. It is natural state now when I am calm. I do not need to do anything, even meditate to reach this condition. All I have to do is relax.

So, I can summarize, that mind balancing and learning opens up your energy potential.
And it is best way to defend self. No need any anger.

 

[jhonny]

I described it in this thread:
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,27040.0.html

This?

Everything has negative and positive aspects. It is subjective. And depends of point of view.
But there are features that can be described w/o emotions.

Anger is a way to defend self, by creating a wall between, with a goal to restrict other in some way. So it has natural function of "increasing distance between". It is not what STS really wants. STS person wants that everything is turning around him/her. So anger is followed with conditions where aggressor "open a door in the wall", makes you even more controllable.

If there are parents and children and one of them serve to children and other "serve" and manipulate the way she/he think everything should be, there is natural tendency to increasing distance with "angry" one, and decreasing distance with one who accept. It is my own experience.

About defence. There are physical and psychic attacks. It is known fact and one should have awareness to identify those.
But most of times "not acceptance" means that there are "internal breaks" in body, where energy flow is blocked with some prejudice. And removing these "breaks" is the way to advance.

First of all I made intention to serve other. It was really hard in the beggining. Cause there were tendency to influence to everything around and because of misinterpritation of what is STO means.
I had a plan and method - mind balancing.
First you look close on some prejudice you selected to learn and count negative and positive aspects.
Second you examine reverse conception of your prejudice and also identify negative and positive aspects.
Third and Fourth you are listen to other, what they think of your prejudice and reverse conception.
It is natural way we learn and it is way to remove prejudices/distortion (term of ra material) and balance your mind.

I used forums to talk with those who have different opinions than I have. And do not talk with those who agree with me, because I dont learn this way.
Tendention to accept and serve led to changes in my body.
First my chakras were burning (4,2,3), followed with "cold wind" through it.
Second my cheeks and ears were burning - it was effect of opening up 5th chakra.

After reading this material I added "no anticipation" rule to my practice. I have to control my mind during 24 hours a day with this method. It was really tough, and I even lied in the bed a lot to restore my life force. After some breakdown there was effect of "wind blowing" in agnya. It is natural state now when I am calm. I do not need to do anything, even meditate to reach this condition. All I have to do is relax.

So, I can summarize, that mind balancing and learning opens up your energy potential.
And it is best way to defend self. No need any anger.

Hi maxim.m

Perhaps I'm wrong but it sounds like you want to avoid and block human feelings.
I wonder if you have read "In search of the miraculous"??

 

[obyvatel]

Hi maxim.m
Perhaps I'm wrong but it sounds like you want to avoid and block human feelings.
I wonder if you have read "In search of the miraculous"??

Indeed. I think the C's comment in reference to Art of Living quoted by Turgon here
[quote author=C's]
Overcoming emotions so that one is not affected by what is out there and inside is little more than becoming an automaton.
[/quote]
may be applicable in the case of maxim.m.

 

[maxim.m]

This?

All my post in that thread.

Perhaps I'm wrong but it sounds like you want to avoid and block human feelings.
I wonder if you have read "In search of the miraculous"??

How do you define "human feelings"?

 

[ana]

Perhaps I'm wrong but it sounds like you want to avoid and block human feelings.
I wonder if you have read "In search of the miraculous"??

How do you define "human feelings"?

Do you experience them?

Actually the wide range of feelings that humans can experience, must be experienced, you can't really convey them with a strict definition, you can on the other hand use analogy or specific words like joy, sadness, courage, insecurity... that only others who have experienced them can understand.

 

[jhonny]

How do you define "human feelings"?

I don't understand the sense of this question but it seems to me that you only want to convince others the way you think and act is the best, more over, to me the most issues ( if not all) about "chacra activation" are newage thinking.
I have come to the forum to learn from others and grow, not to push another to commit my mistakes.

 

[Niall]

Everything has negative and positive aspects. It is subjective. And depends of point of view.
But there are features that can be described w/o emotions.

Anger is a way to defend self, by creating a wall between, with a goal to restrict other in some way. So it has natural function of "increasing distance between". It is not what STS really wants. STS person wants that everything is turning around him/her. So anger is followed with conditions where aggressor "open a door in the wall", makes you even more controllable.

If there are parents and children and one of them serve to children and other "serve" and manipulate the way she/he think everything should be, there is natural tendency to increasing distance with "angry" one, and decreasing distance with one who accept. It is my own experience.

Have you ever been a parent, maxim.m?

About defence. There are physical and psychic attacks. It is known fact and one should have awareness to identify those.
But most of times "not acceptance" means that there are "internal breaks" in body, where energy flow is blocked with some prejudice. And removing these "breaks" is the way to advance.

First of all I made intention to serve other. It was really hard in the beggining. Cause there were tendency to influence to everything around and because of misinterpritation of what is STO means.
I had a plan and method - mind balancing.
First you look close on some prejudice you selected to learn and count negative and positive aspects.
Second you examine reverse conception of your prejudice and also identify negative and positive aspects.
Third and Fourth you are listen to other, what they think of your prejudice and reverse conception.
It is natural way we learn and it is way to remove prejudices/distortion (term of ra material) and balance your mind.

I don't understand. If it works, then you should be able to explain it to others in a way they can understand.

I used forums to talk with those who have different opinions than I have. And do not talk with those who agree with me, because I dont learn this way.

I see, so you're using us for your own pleasure.

Tendention to accept and serve led to changes in my body.
First my chakras were burning (4,2,3), followed with "cold wind" through it.
Second my cheeks and ears were burning - it was effect of opening up 5th chakra.

After reading this material I added "no anticipation" rule to my practice. I have to control my mind during 24 hours a day with this method. It was really tough, and I even lied in the bed a lot to restore my life force. After some breakdown there was effect of "wind blowing" in agnya. It is natural state now when I am calm. I do not need to do anything, even meditate to reach this condition. All I have to do is relax.

maxim.m, do you work for a living? I'm asking because 24 hour a day dedication to whatever it is you're talking about isn't realistically going to serve others in a world where most people are busy raising families and earning money.

So, I can summarize, that mind balancing and learning opens up your energy potential.
And it is best way to defend self. No need any anger.

Ok, so what are the results? How does this calm cold wind blowing around inside your head reflect positively in your real-life interactions with the real world?

Are you financially independent? Are you able to support others financially or materially? Have you published any works? What are your accomplishments?

Because I'm afraid that if you have nothing to show for your 'method' then it is just a subjective narrative your System 1 dreamed up to protect your ego from your deep insecurities. You think you are in a position to teach and yet your 'students' can't understand you.