Can we talk about Andrew Tate

The whole thing reminds me of the book "Anatomy of Evil", by Andrew Raine, and his chapter about successful "psychopaths. We could just as easily label A. Tate a sociopath or a characteropath, since the line can be blurry, you have to know the person's background, you need years of observation, etc. But I somehow doubt the "just wounded/angry" label... In Tate's case, it's not too difficult to suspect something genetic too, given his brother's "type" as well. And there's quite a sadistic side to them that goes beyong "anger and attachment issues", I think. But you never know.

Anyway, maybe most of you know this already, but Raine shows MRIs of different "psychopaths". The ones that get away with crime for a long time, usually have a better functioning frontal cortex. They are good at planning, mirroring people, etc. They ARE very smart people. They can be leaders in many fields, even good influencers, and get away with nasty deeds that are even obvious to others, because they are very convincing.

One may argue that Tate can't be that smart, since he left evidence all over the web about his creepy behavior. Well, but the whole thing has been going on since 2009, I think. AND, there won't be hundreds of women reporting him, because he seems to have kept it pretty tight, in one house, in Romania, etc. And some of the stuff is so nasty that he can always claim he was exaggerating, joking, etc. And some of the women will refuse to testify, because either they are really damaged, or they know that admitting to prostitution would get THEM in trouble. All that is quite a smart thing. Now he even has that as an argument: if he was so bad, he'd have been caught earlier, right? Not necessarily.

As to why Tucker would interview him, I guess time will tell. It's a bit unlike him that as a serious journalist, he doesn't seem to have done a thorough "background check" on Tate. Then again, maybe he was just interested in the rest of the interview, not in getting to the bottom of the accusations. But it's weird because Tate is probably lying to his teeth at the beginning of the interview. He most likely didn't just move to Romania because he liked the culture and was disappointed with the West, but rather, because he already had too much dirt in the US and the UK, and figured his operation would be much easier to run from Romania. Maybe that's just another piece of confirmation of Tate's "brains", easily mirroring and fooling another smart person?
 
First, I think this is a big problem:


A better response would be No/Yes: they do NOT trust Tate, but generally agree with what he said in this particular interview since it's an antidote to all the social/woke madness.

Unfortunately, that's not what usually happens because people generally do the "all or nothing" thing: either the person is all good, or all bad.

We've seen this before with many people, including but not limited to Trump and Peterson.

I mean, what is a person supposed to think about Trump? He IS a clown who says some totally bizarre and inappropriate things, but he also tried to do something good for once in America... But he also was either dumb as a rock or extremely naive thinking he could just change things because the president of the USA is exactly like a CEO dishing out orders. Yet he was also sharp enough to avoid some of the worst scenarios of being a president in modern Murika. People were even saying he should have started a full-blown revolution! Well, would that have been a good idea?!

It's always complicated. To make matters worse, the C's are not wrong: The "left" may be in power today, but tomorrow they could be dethroned and suddenly we're living in a right-wing conservative ultra-religious hell-hole.

Next, was Tucker naive or did he know exactly what he's doing? I find it hard to believe that he didn't research Tate at all and flew all the way to Romania to interview the guy without doing any homework. I think it's more likely that he saw an opportunity to do "his side" some good and he probably believed the right's current schtick that Tate is being persecuted. It's that all or nothing thing, again. Nobody's perfect.

As for Tate himself, I wouldn't invite him to dinner. His comment to the effect that "women are the controllers of sexual access" is actually hilarious/sad. Here's a guy promoting "masculinity" in questionable terms, but ones that are supposed to emphasize Male Power... Yet in the next sentence he gives away all that supposed power by effectively saying "women are the deciders" when it comes to sex! Contrary to popular belief (apparently), many women do actually enjoy and even want sex. Given that we're currently 'stuck' here in 3d, I know that's shocking... 😂 So what about just growing up a little and becoming a better man? What about finding ONE woman and building something real? If you don't find one, at least you're a better person doing some good! Instead, he seems to go the angry route and decides to manipulate and threaten and coerce and even beat/strangle many women - which is the exact opposite of what real masculinity should be, IMO.

IOW, you might say that Tate is therefore the Ultimate 'Beta'. He's alpha in appearance, but nothing else. His essence is weak at best or pathological at worst. He's sort of the epitome of the wrong application of (how to be a real man) information. Instead of generating knowledge, he takes that information and turns it into misery and suffering.

And that is NOT actually an antidote to the current left/woke madness, because it's just going to generate even more mayhem. Many men will probably be pulled into his orbit now via Tucker... All or nothing!

So really, even though the message itself in the interview wasn't too bad, the best response to that poll - from those who are aware of all the details - would be: No/No.
 
My best guess is that Tucker was probably spellblinded by Tate due to a lack of knowledge about psychopathology maybe aided by a person who Tucker trusts and who suggested to him that it is a good idea to interview Tate because he is „good“ and/or „wrongly accused“. Naivety, basically, on Tuckers part.
 
My best guess is that Tucker was probably spellblinded by Tate due to a lack of knowledge about psychopathology maybe aided by a person who Tucker trusts and who suggested to him that it is a good idea to interview Tate because he is „good“ and/or „wrongly accused“. Naivety, basically, on Tuckers part.
Going to play devil's advocate for a sec. There is a ton of Tate material online. When I was searching the other day for some of the videos I'd seen (which were included in the YT vids posted several posts up), I couldn't find them. I found some more controversial stuff, but the videos all had them mixed in with Tate saying more reasonable things. So someone casually browsing may come away with the impression that Tate just says some stuff with shock value, but is actually more reasonable than that. Basically, unless you're really searching, or happen to find vids like the ones posted here, you may not get an idea of what Tate's all about. For a guy like Tucker, may he just doesn't care, or maybe he really just hadn't gone deep enough to find the stuff posted here. One might be left with the impression that "they" must be going after him for his "dissident" views.
 
The whole thing reminds me of the book "Anatomy of Evil", by Andrew Raine, and his chapter about successful "psychopaths. We could just as easily label A. Tate a sociopath or a characteropath, since the line can be blurry, you have to know the person's background, you need years of observation, etc. But I somehow doubt the "just wounded/angry" label... In Tate's case, it's not too difficult to suspect something genetic too, given his brother's "type" as well. And there's quite a sadistic side to them that goes beyong "anger and attachment issues", I think. But you never know.

Anyway, maybe most of you know this already, but Raine shows MRIs of different "psychopaths". The ones that get away with crime for a long time, usually have a better functioning frontal cortex. They are good at planning, mirroring people, etc. They ARE very smart people. They can be leaders in many fields, even good influencers, and get away with nasty deeds that are even obvious to others, because they are very convincing.
I'm leaning in this direction too. The thing about Tate, for me, is that he really seems abnormal. I know few if any guys like him. His reactions to any potential childhood experiences are so far outside the norm that I think the scales tilt to nature over nurture. He's glib, a facile liar, has admitted or alluded to a history of crime, shows no sign of much emotional depth or capacity for remorse, is extremely grandiose, and his own descriptions of his loverboy method is straight out of Lobaczewski's description of psychopathy.

Here's the PCL-R list for reference:
  • Item 1: Glibness/superficial charm
  • Item 2: Grandiose sense of self-worth
  • Item 3: Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom
  • Item 4: Pathological lying
  • Item 5: Conning/manipulative
  • Item 6: Lack of remorse or guilt
  • Item 7: Shallow affect
  • Item 8: Callous/lack of empathy
  • Item 9: Parasitic lifestyle
  • Item 10: Poor behavioral controls
  • Item 11: Promiscuous sexual behavior
  • Item 12: Early behavior problems
  • Item 13: Lack of realistic long-term goals
  • Item 14: Impulsivity
  • Item 15: Irresponsibility
  • Item 16: Failure to accept responsibility for own actions
  • Item 17: Many short-term marital relationships
  • Item 18: Juvenile delinquency
  • Item 19: Revocation of conditional release
  • Item 20: Criminal versatility
 
Tate's a liar and manipulator. I've known that for a few years since coming across earlier videos of him and his brother and some pathetic hangers on travelling around European cities and acting like retarded teenagers (when they were not teenagers). All of his adult male "friends" today are low level men, desperately trying to appear 'high value' by buying expensive cars and making YT videos about them. It wasn't exactly difficult to see.

The fact that he is abusive to women is no surprise at all, he's been that way for a long time, it comes with the self-absorbed shit-head package. I'm really not interested in him, except perhaps as a social phenomenon during the last throes of a mostly rotten and ponerized society, where the scum rises to the top, and the extent to which people like him are being inserted/inserting themselves into the 'trad Con' movement, as a means to destroy any usefulness it might have had.
This is bang on. I've been watching this pimp for a few years as well, and even when I was immersed in the manosphere to an unhealthy degree, this guy still come across as a nasty piece of work.

The clips of him over the last couple of years are heavily self censored imo. For a more revealing portrayal of the man, it's best to watch his discussions with, among others, Rollo Tomassi from a few years back.
 
Regarding Carlson, there is a possibility that he's new to how the internet works. Even if he has some help from people he worked with, they'd be from the legacy media and also internet naive. Peterson at some point got surrounded by less than savory characters, like a comedian with a strange hair cut I don't recall the name, and it is only later than he learned to be more careful.
 
Tucker is the poor innocent victimized babe in the woods? His support team led him astray due to ignorance and naïveté? He has a huge following and therefore a huge responsibility. No hall pass on this one from me.
 
Tucker is the poor innocent victimized babe in the woods? His support team led him astray due to ignorance and naïveté? He has a huge following and therefore a huge responsibility. No hall pass on this one from me.
I agree that it’s strange to see Tucker Carlson associating with Tait. I always imagine that the PTB have their people infiltrating everything and folks like Peterson and Carlson appear not to be aware of the extent of the evil and manipulation surrounding them. Until they become aware they will always be vulnerable. (Jordan Peterson on his last Joe Rogan interview seems to be subconsciously at least starting to connect some dots). It’s all stating the obvious to us but it’s not to them. Have evil machinations facilitated Tait being interviewed by Tucker? Will he be used to attempt to “bring down” Tucker by association?
 
I agree that it’s strange to see Tucker Carlson associating with Tait. I always imagine that the PTB have their people infiltrating everything and folks like Peterson and Carlson appear not to be aware of the extent of the evil and manipulation surrounding them. Until they become aware they will always be vulnerable. (Jordan Peterson on his last Joe Rogan interview seems to be subconsciously at least starting to connect some dots). It’s all stating the obvious to us but it’s not to them. Have evil machinations facilitated Tait being interviewed by Tucker? Will he be used to attempt to “bring down” Tucker by association?

I don't know, but just like with Peterson, I prefer to keep some faith in that it may not be SO bad or irreversible, just an opportunity for smart people to get smarter. We'll see! But this is probably another example of how having a network is priceless!!
 
Laura posted:
Can't help but wonder if Tate was inspired by NXIVM sex cult leader, Keith Raniere:
But the ceremonial branding of some women involved in Nxivm followed a script created by the leader, Keith Raniere, and a handful of select followers who had promised complete obedience to him, according to four recorded conversations introduced last week as evidence in his racketeering and sex trafficking trial.

“Do you think the person who is being branded should be completely nude and sort of held to the table like a sort of, almost, like a sacrifice?” Mr. Raniere asked the actress Allison Mack in one recording.

He went on to outline his vision for how women’s bodies would be arranged before being branded: “legs spread straight, like feet being held to the side of the table, hands probably above the head, being held almost like tied down.”

The women, who were referred to as “slaves,” were illustrating their submission in an indelible way: Their skin was seared with a symbol that included Mr. Raniere’s initials.

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I guess searing would be a little too obvious so tatooing a much better course of action.

Regarding Tucker, from the time he first brought up Tate on his former Fox show to this latest interview, I do find it hard to believe that no one clued him in about Tate's true character, if you can call it that. Was he just too fixated on Tate's promotion/defense of masculinity? Surely by now he's been apprised and shown video evidence that this guy is a disgusting, lying pimp! And why would anyone be interested in a lying pimp's opinions on anything?! Tucker needs to own up to his failure to appropriately vet this scumbag that he has by that failure, introduced to his former Fox audience, his current Twitter audience, and thus given him some degree of legitimacy and prestige - plus that Tate's a victim of the PTB. Rooting for justice here.
 
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