Carbon/Satan: the same word, the same entity

[timothykey]

Hi,

I have been rereading Adam Whitestone's book, The Ravings of a Lunatic. It is packed with information and is astonishing in what it has to show. Am still fascinated with the apparent coincidence between the Biblical word, Satan, and the scientifically identified element, Carbon. Carbon is not native to Earth. It came to our planet in the form of comets. It "fell from Heaven".
Because the Earth is dominated by Carbon based life, (Satan shall have dominion over the Earth) there is shown an utterly predictable course of evolutionary development of carbon life. This has been described to us in the strangely religious-ized writings in Revelations of the New Testament. The book, Ravings, suddenly shows these writings to be correct and show a knowledge far beyond what man could have known at the time the Bible was written. An example is: the name of the Beast being identified by the number 6-6-6. This is the number in the periodic table for carbon.
It is remarkable the the public seems to not have the interest or ability to understand this book by Whitestone. What a shame. I think that it may be one of the most important discoveries in human history. Satan:Prince of Darkness; Lucifer: the light bearer; has dominion over the world. The unseen ruler of men. Sound like fossil fuels to you? Those who are "in the chruch of Satan": Bush, Cheney, et al. who must have oil, must kill for power, who deceive us.
Chavez is right. Who do we follow, who do we support, how can we "turn away from him". Read this book.

http:(2slsh)www(dot)authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail~bookid~26299.aspx

Timothy K. Price

 

[Laura]

Carbon is not native to Earth.

Sez who?

 

[vinny]

carbon is the fourth most abundant element in the universe (at 0.03%) after hydrogen (92.47%), helium (7.40%) and oxygen (0.06%), so it is 'native' to just about everywhere.

 

[Peam]

I have been rereading Adam Whitestone's book, The Ravings of a Lunatic.

An example of 'the devil is in the details'? (no pun intended).

An example is: the name of the Beast being identified by the number 6-6-6. This is the number in the periodic table for carbon.

The atomic number of carbon is 6, NOT 6-6-6.

It is remarkable the the public seems to not have the interest or ability to understand this book by Whitestone. What a shame.

Shame on me. I haven't read it either.

 

[timothykey]

It isn't what we don't know that is a problem; It is what we know for sure and is wrong, is a problem.
Carbon was not an element in the Earth at the time of its formation. (see: articles on web) It was silica and iron. Carbon arrived to Earth in the form of comets as carbon dioxide ice and soot. These comets live in the Oort cloud near the rim of our Galaxy. Carbon is relatively scarce on Earth, less than .032 percent by weight, with 11 other elements being more abundant. Carbon molecules can be either right handed or left, but only left can function in living organisms. The comets in the Oort cloud seem to be composed entirely of left handed molecules. Based on the evidence that cometary nuclei are formed in the outer space, by accumulation of frosty particles containing large amounts of carbon ice and volatile molecules, it is shown that the icy bodies which hit the earth are more than enough to explain the whole biosphere.
Impact' Comet Is Rich in Carbon
Collision Suggests Porous Structure
By Guy Gugliotta
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, September 7, 2005; Page A04

When NASA's Deep Impact projectile hit Comet Tempel 1, it produced a giant plume of gas and dust far richer than expected in carbon compounds, reinforcing the view that comets may have contributed the chemical raw materials that produced life on Earth.

Oh, and yes, Carbon is listed in the periodic table as number 6. and it does have 6 protons, and 6 electrons to make up the rest of it's physical structure. Don't forget, that those who wrote Revelations in 150 AD said that 6-6-6 was the number of the beast. Not worth stumbling over this one.

 

[domi]

Oh, and yes, Carbon is listed in the periodic table as number 6. and it does have 6 protons, and 6 electrons to make up the rest of it's physical structure. Don't forget, that those who wrote Revelations in 150 AD said that 6-6-6 was the number of the beast. Not worth stumbling over this one.

Carbon is listed as number 6 in the periodic system because it has 6 protons. So you're counting protons twice.

You're also saying that the physical structure of carbon consists of protons and electrons. What about the neutrons?

Also, with choosing the title of the thread, you're saying that carbon and satan are the same entity. Are you implying consciousness? Or not? The ramifications of what you're saying are huge. If carbon/satan has consciousness, then using a pencil might be hurting it (afterall graphite is carbon). If there is no consciousness then what is all the fuss about?


Dominique.

 

[Mikey]

Because the Earth is dominated by Carbon based life, [...] there is shown an utterly predictable course of evolutionary development of carbon life.

Yes, indeed very predictable. Tautology (rhetoric), In rhetoric, a tautology is a use of redundant language in speech or writing, or, put simply, "saying the same thing twice".[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tautology_%28rhetoric%29, 2006-10-17]

I think that it may be one of the most important discoveries in human history.

Quite a bold statement for deliberately linking one of many key figures of an element to 6-6-6. The chemical element Dysprosium has the atomic number 66! What do we have here? The light bearer doubled? Of course, because Dysprosium compounds are of moderate toxicity.

You see what I mean?

I suggest that you learn about the possibilty of disinformation und how to weed through. If disinformation does not harm in an active way, it harms by distraction, a deprivation of lifetime, that you could have used wiser. For a proper handling of informaiton in the Bible I suggest you read the book "The secret history of the world" http://www.qfgpublishing.com/.

It is what we know for sure and is wrong, is a problem.

Affirmative. What we know for sure should be the observed truth. The world as it is. Everything else are distracting belief systems and/or wishful thinking.

 

[Ruth]

Carbon is listed as number 6 in the periodic system because it has 6 protons. So you're counting protons twice.

You're also saying that the physical structure of carbon consists of protons and electrons. What about the neutrons?

The neutrons are a bit of a problem, otherwise it would be 6-6-6. 6 protons, 6 neutrons and 6 electrons. Trouble is, there are 13 different isotobes of Carbon! With various different numbers of neutrons.
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/sci/A0857174.html

I looked up satan as well. =D Apparently there wasn't always an 'entity' named Satan, satan seems to have been a semetic verb before he was given a 'soul'.

from Heb. satan "adversary, one who plots against another," from satan "to show enmity to, oppose, plot against," from root s-t-n "one who opposes, obstructs, or acts as an adversary." In Septuagint (Gk.) usually translated as diabolos "slanderer," lit. "one who throws (something) across" the path of another (see devil), though epiboulos "plotter" is used once.
"In biblical sources the Hebrew term the satan describes an adversarial role. It is not the name of a particular character. Although Hebrew storytellers as early as the sixth century B.C.E. occasionally introduced a supernatural character whom they called the satan, what they meant was any one of the angels sent by God for the specific purpose of blocking or obstructing human activity." [Elaine Pagels, "The Origin of Satan," 1995]

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?l=s&p=4

 

[vinny]

It isn't what we don't know that is a problem; It is what we know for sure and is wrong, is a problem.
Carbon was not an element in the Earth at the time of its formation. (see: articles on web) It was silica and iron. Carbon arrived to Earth in the form of comets as carbon dioxide ice and soot. These comets live in the Oort cloud near the rim of our Galaxy. Carbon is relatively scarce on Earth, less than .032 percent by weight, with 11 other elements being more abundant. Carbon molecules can be either right handed or left, but only left can function in living organisms. The comets in the Oort cloud seem to be composed entirely of left handed molecules. Based on the evidence that cometary nuclei are formed in the outer space, by accumulation of frosty particles containing large amounts of carbon ice and volatile molecules, it is shown that the icy bodies which hit the earth are more than enough to explain the whole biosphere.

you are throwing a lot of hypotheses here, presumeably which are backed up in more detail by the book you cite, but I'm not sure why they matter. Lets look a bit more closely, see if we can get to the bottom of this.

For example:

Carbon is relatively scarce on Earth, less than .032 percent by weight

well, that is the same proportion which exists across the universe (according to current scientific concensus anyway) of about 0.03%. nothing too earth shattering yet.

So the writer seems to be heading towards the suggestion that life-bearing molecular material originated off the earth, and arrived via cometary impact - this has certainly been put forward by various people, and is an interesting idea, of course.

So getting back to carbon: carbon is satan, and we're all based on carbon, and ....

so what? what's his point exactly? that evil is embodied in carbon based life forms? fair enough, but we know that already! :P

However, on reflection, that particular idea has a rather ... interesting... subtext that excludes or sidelines the idea that evil may be embodied in non-carbon based life forms, (or even 'non-physical' life forms, eg. 4D STS??) . Is that possibly where Guy Gugliotta is heading with this?

 

[timothykey]

It might be helpful if people would read the book. Yes, being part of carbon based life, that carbon/satan is the great deceiver in suggesting tha carbon based life, is all that life is. The converse of this is taught with the story of Jesus' teaching that life is eternal, spiritual, and that we overcome death with the distruction of the physical (carbon) body. It is simple and wonderful. All this was told to us thousands of years ago and we are just now seeing that it might well be true. It is the animal urge to sustain carbon life with the accompanying vices of lust, greed, gluttony, etc., and that spiritaul values of self denial, charity, humility, etc. are the ones to use to overcome the carbon/satan false life of this earthly existence. Carbon/satan is a limited life, full of pain and suffering, spiritual life is love, perfection, harmony, and we must strive mightily to overcome the belief in the absolute of physical life. As Revelations says, "who will have the strength to turn away from this unseen ruler of men?" The stored energy of carbon as fossil fuels, the resurrection, as it is called, will cause a great struggle between those in the "chruch or Satan" and those who "turn away". Few will understand. Fewer will overcome.

tim

 

[Mikey]

Again you are linking satan to carbon without reasoning except the proton/electron count of 6. The focus on carbon alone is unsustainable especially if you look at the true composition of animal/human bodies: Oxygen is the most abundant element, followed by C 18%, H 10%, N 3%. See here. So explain WHY isn't Oxygen the luciferian "bad" element?

It is true that physical life is limited to some extent. But the end of it is not better. The "love, light, harmony" approach alone won't do it. The reasons for this and the dangers have been exhaustively discussed in this forum, in the websites and in the books. I suggest again, read, read, read.

 

[timothykey]

Carbon is the only element which has been able to capture the energy from sunlight and use it to split water apart to release oxygen and to combine itself with hydrogen forming hydrocarbons and all the other millions of compounds that carbon does make. It sustains itself through reproduction. This characteristic is unique. I think that terms like "good" and "bad" are not helpful. Scientific terms which simply describe what "is" should be used whenever possible. Carbon based life, or carnal, or carnivorous, all express appitites for self gratification, self perpetuation. Sexual reproduction is advised against in Christianity, and with good reason.
(I hope that people here will sign there comments so we can keep track of who is tallking and who we are responding to.)
There is nothing Luceferian about oxygen that the book mentions. Perhaps you can explain what your thought is?
According to Adam Whitestone's book, Ravings of a Lunatic, we are talking about consciousness being caught in a physical carbon life which is less than what consciousness can be. It is a medium for consciousness. It is subject to all the ills we see today. We see the corruption of democtatic rule; we see power derived from the control of fossil fuels to create social structures, corporations, which are pretty terrible in what they are doing to the Earth and the people on earth. God hate liars. God will destroy those who destroy the earth. This is the last judgment, and it is the living who are being judged.
Temporal power available through fossil fuels is promised by the unseen ruler of men. This is the natural, evolutionary course of Carbon life. It will always happen on any planet in the Universe. It is simple, and true, IMHO.

Tim

 

[vinny]

I think you are missing a point I made earlier, that this line of thought seems to be denying the possibility of NON-carbon-based 'evilness'. er, what am I trying to say? that maybe it is not CARBON that is the problem!!
That: this writer is (either consciously or not) denying the possibility of malevolent life which is not carbon based (ie, and therefore that any non-physical being 'must' be benevolent). Evil always seems to obscure its source, and I think this is just another er... source of obscurance (is that even a word?!)

ie. its another flavour of 'the space brothers are coming to save us', ie there are 'no scary beings out there - we're the only bad guys' kinda thing - ie obscuring the possibility of 4D STS.

it also seems to have an angle that 3d carbon-based physicality is fundamentally 'bad', by its very nature. and again, this is a new flavour of an old line, namely that we are all 'bad', and we are all to blame, and that basically, its a sort of 'original sin' syndrome, whereby we deserve whats coming to us, simply because of what we are. I know that's not the 'direct message' but I wonder if there is some ingredient of that, hidden under the surface - after reading a lot of similar material, these kinds of things become gradually easier to spot.

Sorry, I can't seem to explain myself too well, so I hope this makes some sense. maybe someone else understands what I'm trying to say?

 

[Mr. Premise]

What you say makes perfect sense, sleepyvinny, especially the first sentence which says it all, IMO.

What you are pointing to is a twist that can happen to gnostic movements which can succumb to the idea that all matter is "bad." Therefore the non-material must be good. Then, the tendency goes further to the material is not even real. Then evil is not even real (see the Church of Christian Science, for example).

 

[timothykey]

I do not know about other non-carbon based life. Perhaps you can give me an example of a non-carbon lifeform? Being human does imply original sin, in that we are limited by the circumstances which is inherent in our humaness. We are temped to all the excesses which young humans a subject to. We call it life, and youth, and we learn about truth, and love, and sacrefice of self. This is the testing by the Earth experience. this is why we have time here on Earth. Some of us will do better than others.
The Bible tells us that there is a spiritual life which is eternal (timeless) and far better than the one we have here. We should not fear death, and we should not love our lives more than our love of good action. It is acceptable to lose ones life for a better cause. It is not good to elevate oneself at the expense of others.
Some like so suggest that we have Christian principles in America, especially the Christian right. But, if 100 people (representing the world's population) came to breakfast, 5 would be from the USA. If 100 eggs were being served, 25 eggs would go to the 5 American, and the remain 95 fellow diners would have 75 eggs among them to fight over. This analogy is consistant thoughout all of human activity. It is the nature of Carbon based life, but it is not what Christianity teaches us to be behavior which will warrent our eternal life.
Again, I think terms like, good and evil, are not helpful to understanding the evoltution of consciousness which is usually not a conscious decision, but acceptied behavior. However, evil can be expressed as an intent. This is completely damning to the individual. Karma is real. Intentional deception for the purpose of stealing, or to lie, or to do any number of things to another person wich is disrespectful of them, is detrimental to the perpetrator's spiritual development.
So, carbon based life, or any other, I only am familiar with carbon based life and what its tendencies are. It may not be inherently evil in how it acts, but Carbon life does tend away from spiritual conduct. It is this tendency which is what has to be constantly overcome.
My computer seems to be free from selfishness. Maybe silicon chips are promising vehilces for consciousness.
Tim