Carbon/Satan: the same word, the same entity
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timothykey
The Force is Strong With This One
It is coal that is the remains of the bodies, the flesh, of every living creater that lived over millions of years. As I am not an etymologist, I cannot say why these words "carbon" and "carbon based life" relate, but they do in reality, if not in their word origins.
It is in the most recent digging up of these "bodies" which has unleased huge amounts of power in a very brief period of time.
It is referred to as the "last days" and "the resurrection" according to Whitestone. In geologic time, they certainly are the last days.
It took millions of years to make these accumulated energy deposits, and only a few years to deplete them.... and for what great purpose? This is the judgement.
tim
It is in the most recent digging up of these "bodies" which has unleased huge amounts of power in a very brief period of time.
It is referred to as the "last days" and "the resurrection" according to Whitestone. In geologic time, they certainly are the last days.
It took millions of years to make these accumulated energy deposits, and only a few years to deplete them.... and for what great purpose? This is the judgement.
tim
Lan8r
Jedi Master
What kind of computer are you using? I think I need a new one as mine is extremely selfish.Timothykey said:My computer seems to be free from selfishness.Maybe silicon chips are promising vehilces for consciousness.
It works when it pleases, and when it doesn't it simply freezes.
It is very demanding, always wanting more, more, more.... More RAM, a bigger hard drive, a better operating system. Not to mention all the programs it requires just to function.
It sucks my hard earned cash just to tell me 'program not responding'.
And if I try to reason with it, all I get is 'an error has occured, the system is shutting down'. It doesn't even want to to try to work things out!
It appears to me that silicon chips can be very selfish.
But seriously, try reading Laura's 'Secret History of the World', as Data mentioned. It is a very well researched and well presented history of religion and the origin of the bible. (and much, much more). I have a feeling that you will be very glad you did.
One thing you said in a previous post "The Bible tells us that there is a spiritual life which is eternal (timeless) and far better than the one we have here.", reminded me of something in the C's transcripts 'It is the soul that matters, not the body'. I would imagine that to be true no matter if the body were to be carbon-based or silicon-based or whatever-based it would need to be according to it's physical enviroment.
Maybe our 'satan/devil' is our physicality, which just happens to be carbon-based, and the promising vehicle for consciousness is the soul.
Just a thought,
Laurie
timothykey
The Force is Strong With This One
Maybe our 'satan/devil' is our physicality, which just happens to be carbon-based, and the promising vehicle for consciousness is the soul.
Just a thought,
Laurie
Yes, Laurie, you are absolutely correct in this. But it is Satan/carbon that we are talking about. It is the only life form that I know of, it is the one I am caught up in and have more than a passing interest about. The word, carbon, may be related to carnivor, carcass, car, carriage, carry, carivel, cartouche, cartoon, and such, in that it is a vehicle for transporting or carrying something. It is Satan, in that it lies and tells us that it is all there is. It takes over if we let it. We are warned about this but lately such warnings are not taken seriously and it seems that society may be in decline, may be becoming corrupted.
There is nothing contradictory in the the idea of carbon based, or animal life, having an agenda of its own. What is important is to learn what that agenda is. It is possilbe to take this our of the abstract which religious types love to swim about deamily in (mystically, I think they call it). But it is the future which can be known, and someone in the past told us. It is clear in Revelatins and eleswhere, and this is the first time I am aware of actual proof of consciousness existing outside our planet or time span. Do you net see this? and there is so much more. But it prabably doesn't work to try to show anyone. They have to discover it for themselves. I am just glad to have learned of this discovery.
Cheers,
tim
Just a thought,
Laurie
Yes, Laurie, you are absolutely correct in this. But it is Satan/carbon that we are talking about. It is the only life form that I know of, it is the one I am caught up in and have more than a passing interest about. The word, carbon, may be related to carnivor, carcass, car, carriage, carry, carivel, cartouche, cartoon, and such, in that it is a vehicle for transporting or carrying something. It is Satan, in that it lies and tells us that it is all there is. It takes over if we let it. We are warned about this but lately such warnings are not taken seriously and it seems that society may be in decline, may be becoming corrupted.
There is nothing contradictory in the the idea of carbon based, or animal life, having an agenda of its own. What is important is to learn what that agenda is. It is possilbe to take this our of the abstract which religious types love to swim about deamily in (mystically, I think they call it). But it is the future which can be known, and someone in the past told us. It is clear in Revelatins and eleswhere, and this is the first time I am aware of actual proof of consciousness existing outside our planet or time span. Do you net see this? and there is so much more. But it prabably doesn't work to try to show anyone. They have to discover it for themselves. I am just glad to have learned of this discovery.
Cheers,
tim
Mr. Premise
The Living Force
Hi TimothyKey,
You might also be interested in reading Ouspensky's In Search of the Miraculous and The Fourth Way, in which Gurdjieff discusses his interpretation of Satan, the General Law and Organic Life.
You might also be interested in reading Ouspensky's In Search of the Miraculous and The Fourth Way, in which Gurdjieff discusses his interpretation of Satan, the General Law and Organic Life.
Lan8r
Jedi Master
Tim,
Maybe a carbon-based life form is simply the vehicle for transporting or carrying our soul through its evolutionary journey. Just because it may be the only life form we know about doesn't mean that it is the only life form or the only vehicle used in this journey. How can we know that a 'Carbon-based' vehicle is the only one that exists in the universe?
As far as 'Satan' being Carbon, how do you define 'Satan'? You say that terms like 'good' and 'evil' are not helpful, but that 'evil' can be expressed as intent. How do you define intent?
At this point in my understanding, my definition of 'Satan' would be close to what Ruth posted:
As for the 'one who throws'/Satan, I could easily define it as a 'consciousness existing outside our planet or time span'. Or possibly a thought process that is intentionally deceiving me into believing that this is all there is, that life in carbon-based form is the soup du jour, or that I should sacrifice myself for the good of the whole, or a myriad of other lies to keep me trapped in physicalilty, and thereby being a detriment to my spiritual growth.
Maybe it is only a vehicle that I chose to use as a tool in my spiritual growth. One that has allowed me to clearly see all the faces of God and to allow me to freely choose the path of my soul.
Well, those are just some of my views on things. So again I ask, what is your definition of Satan, and also how do you define Intent?
And also, have you considered reading Laura's 'History of the World'? I can't help but to think from your posts that you would really enjoy the material.
Best wishes,
Laurie
Maybe a carbon-based life form is simply the vehicle for transporting or carrying our soul through its evolutionary journey. Just because it may be the only life form we know about doesn't mean that it is the only life form or the only vehicle used in this journey. How can we know that a 'Carbon-based' vehicle is the only one that exists in the universe?
As far as 'Satan' being Carbon, how do you define 'Satan'? You say that terms like 'good' and 'evil' are not helpful, but that 'evil' can be expressed as intent. How do you define intent?
At this point in my understanding, my definition of 'Satan' would be close to what Ruth posted:
Specifically 'one who throws something across the path of another'. And I would define that something as 'physicality'. Which it seems in my present case to be a carbon-based life form exsiting in an physical enviroment condusive to carbon-based life forms and all that entails.Ruth said:
As for the 'one who throws'/Satan, I could easily define it as a 'consciousness existing outside our planet or time span'. Or possibly a thought process that is intentionally deceiving me into believing that this is all there is, that life in carbon-based form is the soup du jour, or that I should sacrifice myself for the good of the whole, or a myriad of other lies to keep me trapped in physicalilty, and thereby being a detriment to my spiritual growth.
Maybe it is only a vehicle that I chose to use as a tool in my spiritual growth. One that has allowed me to clearly see all the faces of God and to allow me to freely choose the path of my soul.
Well, those are just some of my views on things. So again I ask, what is your definition of Satan, and also how do you define Intent?
And also, have you considered reading Laura's 'History of the World'? I can't help but to think from your posts that you would really enjoy the material.
Best wishes,
Laurie
timothykey
The Force is Strong With This One
Thank you, Laurie, for your thoughts and suggestion for reading "The History of the World" by Laura, but where should I find this?
It has been less the rewarding to read anything about Christian theology after reading Whitestone's book, because, as it says, "the worth of any good theory is that it takes the incomprehensible and suddenly makes it clear and useful", or something to that effect. When it says in Revelations that "Satan was cast into the earth like a stone" and you read that when the Romans first discovered coal, they called it a stone. And when you read of the battle between Satan and Michael (the archangel of the Sun) and you read it all in parallel with geologic history and the formation of the deposits of the Carboniferous age, the whole thing makes sense. It is so wonderful.
Even the simple story of Adam and Eve, and why they were expelled from Eden, is totally misunderstood in Christian teachings. Christianity is a confused mess of nonsense when seen in the light of Carbon being the physical vehicle, and yes, the deceiver, the slanderer, the character which blocks all but the most careful seekers.
No one has yet mentioned the most recent use of fossil fuels for which man is utterly dependent uponwhich has made him weak, which has been responsible for the raising of empires, and without which he would be naked and helpless. No one has offered any suggestion as to how humanity is going to get out of this predicament. No one has mentioned that the fossil fuel industry is corrupting all of human affairs, distorting the Earth, and is responsibly for the lies which the media perpetrates in support of government and corporate power.
Why is this? What I hear is that carbon may not be the only life form. Or, maybe it is only a vehicle for the human spirit and actually has no influence in and of itself. I see we are in an age of tremendous consequences, biblical in proportions, and eyes need to be opened now or be lost.
"and the Earth helped the woman (Mother Nature) and opened to swallow up the beast" or something similar to this in actual writing. The great battle between carbon dioxide, free oxygen from plants, and the sequential ice ages which gave us the huge deposits of fossil materials. It is great reading. An in the last days, Satan will be fierce because he knows he has but a short time. And the second beast, having only two horns, but getting his power from the first, and having all the power of the first beast. ...This is alternating current.. electricity.. positive and negative charges ..which powers our world, the media, gives us the false information, sells us the consumer life. And the mark of the beast, in order to buy and sell, the credit card industry which robs the population, and is owned by and gives the profits to the financial institutions which....happen to also be the same people who have the fossil fuel industries. This is the mark of the beast, 6-6-6, and he who has this mark will not have life. This is real evil being practice by respected and controlling leaders of our society. Who will have the power to turn away indeed.
This is real evil, practiced upon the sleeping,, indulgent souls of this Earth by unscrupulous leaders, powerful people in the world. And this is the natural, and totally predictable ultimate nature of all carbon life, at any time, and anywhere in the universe. Just like a willow tree will bust into your plumbing to get the richer nutrients.. It is not a bad willow tree, it is a natural, carbon based instinct of self interest. The fact that our leaders, our people are doing it, with intent, and that those in society are giving the the means to them.... that is evil. It is the conquest of Carbon/Satan over a spirit nature.
See why I have no more patience with the old concept of Christianity and the Bible? It is nowhere. The Bible is full of great knowledge, much mixed up with odd interpretations. The time is now, and people must wake up. There is so much more, very specific as to consequences, but I think I should not mention these in such a public place.
When people are good, and there are many, they can do wonderful things. Nature can be encouraged, cultivated with its enthusiastic cooperation, into great beauty, bounty, and joy for all life.
Best wishes,
Tim
It has been less the rewarding to read anything about Christian theology after reading Whitestone's book, because, as it says, "the worth of any good theory is that it takes the incomprehensible and suddenly makes it clear and useful", or something to that effect. When it says in Revelations that "Satan was cast into the earth like a stone" and you read that when the Romans first discovered coal, they called it a stone. And when you read of the battle between Satan and Michael (the archangel of the Sun) and you read it all in parallel with geologic history and the formation of the deposits of the Carboniferous age, the whole thing makes sense. It is so wonderful.
Even the simple story of Adam and Eve, and why they were expelled from Eden, is totally misunderstood in Christian teachings. Christianity is a confused mess of nonsense when seen in the light of Carbon being the physical vehicle, and yes, the deceiver, the slanderer, the character which blocks all but the most careful seekers.
No one has yet mentioned the most recent use of fossil fuels for which man is utterly dependent uponwhich has made him weak, which has been responsible for the raising of empires, and without which he would be naked and helpless. No one has offered any suggestion as to how humanity is going to get out of this predicament. No one has mentioned that the fossil fuel industry is corrupting all of human affairs, distorting the Earth, and is responsibly for the lies which the media perpetrates in support of government and corporate power.
Why is this? What I hear is that carbon may not be the only life form. Or, maybe it is only a vehicle for the human spirit and actually has no influence in and of itself. I see we are in an age of tremendous consequences, biblical in proportions, and eyes need to be opened now or be lost.
"and the Earth helped the woman (Mother Nature) and opened to swallow up the beast" or something similar to this in actual writing. The great battle between carbon dioxide, free oxygen from plants, and the sequential ice ages which gave us the huge deposits of fossil materials. It is great reading. An in the last days, Satan will be fierce because he knows he has but a short time. And the second beast, having only two horns, but getting his power from the first, and having all the power of the first beast. ...This is alternating current.. electricity.. positive and negative charges ..which powers our world, the media, gives us the false information, sells us the consumer life. And the mark of the beast, in order to buy and sell, the credit card industry which robs the population, and is owned by and gives the profits to the financial institutions which....happen to also be the same people who have the fossil fuel industries. This is the mark of the beast, 6-6-6, and he who has this mark will not have life. This is real evil being practice by respected and controlling leaders of our society. Who will have the power to turn away indeed.
This is real evil, practiced upon the sleeping,, indulgent souls of this Earth by unscrupulous leaders, powerful people in the world. And this is the natural, and totally predictable ultimate nature of all carbon life, at any time, and anywhere in the universe. Just like a willow tree will bust into your plumbing to get the richer nutrients.. It is not a bad willow tree, it is a natural, carbon based instinct of self interest. The fact that our leaders, our people are doing it, with intent, and that those in society are giving the the means to them.... that is evil. It is the conquest of Carbon/Satan over a spirit nature.
See why I have no more patience with the old concept of Christianity and the Bible? It is nowhere. The Bible is full of great knowledge, much mixed up with odd interpretations. The time is now, and people must wake up. There is so much more, very specific as to consequences, but I think I should not mention these in such a public place.
When people are good, and there are many, they can do wonderful things. Nature can be encouraged, cultivated with its enthusiastic cooperation, into great beauty, bounty, and joy for all life.
Best wishes,
Tim
Lan8r
Jedi Master
Tim,
I apologize, that was rude of me not to insert a link. I have made an attempt and if it actually works it will take you to the 'qfg publishing' web page where you will find more detailed information on the book.
Secret History of the World
Laura has done extensive research and objectively addresses all of your concerns.
PS. If my link doesn't work, I think you can find it on Data's post on page 1 of this thread.
Laurie
I apologize, that was rude of me not to insert a link. I have made an attempt and if it actually works it will take you to the 'qfg publishing' web page where you will find more detailed information on the book.
Secret History of the World
Laura has done extensive research and objectively addresses all of your concerns.
PS. If my link doesn't work, I think you can find it on Data's post on page 1 of this thread.
Laurie
timothykey
The Force is Strong With This One
Thank you again, Laurie. I have downloaded the PDF intro, plus what is on her Blog.. Looks fun and insightful, but I saw nothing about Carbon. Am curious if you know if this connection is somehing Laura Knight-Jadczyk has made?
tim
tim
Mr. Premise
The Living Force
No I don't recall anything about Carbon being Satan in it. This has the flavor of a personal obsession on your part. Obsessions can prevent true learning, so for your own sake you might want to set aside the Carbon=Satan thing for a while.
If you are interested in elements and the problems with Organic Life, you should read Ouspensky on Gurdjieff (In Search of the Miraculous and The Fourth Way). I mentioned that before.
If you are interested in elements and the problems with Organic Life, you should read Ouspensky on Gurdjieff (In Search of the Miraculous and The Fourth Way). I mentioned that before.
timothykey said:
StrangeCaptain
Jedi Council Member
The following quote was written by a moderator of this forum on another thread, but I think it is appropriate for this thread as well.timothykey said:
"To really learn, one must be open, especially to putting into question one's own basic ideas. Your writing indicates that you came hoping to find people who would confirm to you what you already 'know'. You think you 'know' it, I would suggest you only 'believe' it.
We call this coming with the cup already full. How can you receive anything new it it is already full up?"
timothykey
The Force is Strong With This One
Strangecaptain:
I have appreciated being directed to comments, and have been reading other's writings. Everyone has something new that they find important. If you are participating in a forum, the point is to share what you find to be really meaningful. Many will not care what your interests are, however. Looked at your Blog... Saw nothing that you have written. Yes, the good old Greatful Dead....do you personally have something positive to add?
Tim
I have appreciated being directed to comments, and have been reading other's writings. Everyone has something new that they find important. If you are participating in a forum, the point is to share what you find to be really meaningful. Many will not care what your interests are, however. Looked at your Blog... Saw nothing that you have written. Yes, the good old Greatful Dead....do you personally have something positive to add?
Tim
StrangeCaptain
Jedi Council Member
Maybe... The point of this forum as a whole is clearly stated early on in the forum rules: "First our Vision for this forum: to create an environment for the stimulation, development and then the alignment of objective consciousnesses as defined and described by Georges Gurdjieff. I do not mean to be overly harsh with you, but look again at Donald J. Hunt's post just before mine. We are trying to tell you something that might help you grow. Good luck.timothykey said:
timothykey
The Force is Strong With This One
Thank you for this clarification. I am obviously not familar with much of Gurdjieff's philosophy or with these limitations on thought expression. However, it reminds me, in relation to the Ccarbon/satan connection which I have tried to bring to the attention of othes, of perhaps Louis Pasteur, when presenting to the medical board his discovery of the role of germs in producing disease. As he is explaining it, someone jumps up and asks why he is obsessed with this odd idea, ahnd has he read Gurdjieff, and why not get back to discussing ill vapors, and body humors. Pasteur just knew that it worked as a theory and explained a lot about disease, helped a great deal, and it did prove to be correct.StrangeCaptain said:
Perhaps you cannot see how this applies?
tim
Pasteur proposed a theory, he defined experiment parameters, conducted replicable experiments confirming his theory, published measurable results...timothykey said:
Pasteur applied a scientific approach to his work and in some cases he was objectively right.
I guess that along this path, he had to discard many theories that seemed initially promising, he had to get rid of sacred cows and beliefs (maybe the most seductive ones), he had to design and conduct experiments illustrating his theories, he had to interact with his pairs during experimental and results publication phases.
