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Hi everyone,

Here are the links for the recent Aus-Asia-Am group discussion on The Secret History of the World and How to Get Out Alive by Laura Knight-Jadczyk.

Here's the video of the last meeting
The audio
And the folder
And the slide show

We will be read the rest of Chapter 5 for our next workshop at 7 pm Sydney AEDST time (GMT+11).

See you all then!

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Below are the links to what we discussed:

From Paul to Mark synopsis
Dionysius syndrome discussed in Session 14 April 2018
Dionysus/Bacchus discussed in the Wave: Chapter 24
Craftsmanship and beauty matter:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1894776710995862003

placematt mentioned Positivism. Below is the excerpt from The Master and his Emissary as to this movement (p 530):
THE SECOND REFORMATION
...the philosophers of the Romantic age, and their view that one had to combine reason with imagination, system-building with perception of individuality, consistency with contradiction, analysis with a sense of the whole. What is striking is the degree of enthusiasm for, and active participation in, science that they had exhibited.

[...]For even rationality cannot get by without imagination, but neither can imagination without rationality. The marriage of the two is, however, of such a peculiar kind, that they carry on a life and death struggle, and yet it is only together that they are able to accomplish their greatest feats, such as the higher form of conceptualising that we are accustomed to call reason.

But this marriage was not to last. A sort of second Reformation was on the way. The Reformation of the sixteenth century could be seen as having involved a shift away from the capacity to understand metaphor, incarnation, the realm that bridges this world and the next, matter and spirit, towards a literalistic way of thinking — a move away from imagination, now seen as treacherous, and towards rationalism. In the middle of the nineteenth century in Germany, there arose a new intellectual movement, which, as one of its protagonists Ludwig Feuerbach indeed acknowledged, had its roots in the Reformation. It too had difficulty with the idea that the realms of matter and spirit interpenetrated one another: if a thing was not to be wholly disembodied, just an idea, it had to be wholly material. Gone was the understanding of the complex, often apparently paradoxical nature of reality, an acceptance of the coniunctio oppositorum: we were back to the realm of ‘either/or’. It too embraced a sort of literalism, and mistrusted imagination. This philosophy, known as materialism, was explicitly based on a view that science is the only foundation for knowing and understanding the world.

The origins of this scientific materialism, or ‘positivism’, lay in the French Enlightenment. Auguste Comte had asserted that science was not only our sole source of genuine knowledge about the world, but that it was the only way to understand humanity's place in the world, and the only credible view of the world as a whole. He saw societies and cultures passing through three stages: a theological phase, where religious perspectives dominate, ceding to a stage of philosophical analysis, inevitably shaped by metaphysical assumptions, which in turn gives way to the ‘positive’, scientific stage, in which these are jettisoned, and we achieve ‘objective’ knowledge.
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Hi y'alls,

The Am-EU group finishes the Preface and Introduction of Laurent Guyénot's From Yaweh to Zion on March 2nd, led by Luis.

I've attached the mind map below in both PNG & PDF form. For readability, I've also printed the mind map in bulleted form here:

Preface
  • The preface remarks that the book could never be published in any major publishing house among English-speaking countries due to it tracing the evolution of the concept of God with regard to Jewish tribal power.
  • (Il Matto): The history of ideas is a way to trace intellectual historical ideas and provide context to each one.
  • The author writes about a mind-virus endemic to Judiasm that perpetuates tribalistic thinking rather than universalism. This is present in various degrees in Christianity and Islam too. It manifests in a way as seeing someone else as someone lesser than another, making it easier to justify hurting them.
  • (Il Matto): The Cathars and the Crusades showed a lot of tribalism and aggression as well.
    • (Luis): The Essenes in contrast, wasn't really that tribal. They were more like monks and more respectful of others.
  • (Luis): The satanic cults have been revealed more and more in the last five years.
    • (Mari): The red heifer stuff was in mainstream news.
    • (RedFox): Some say that abortion is a way to carry on sacrifices to Molech.
  • (Mari): Shares Session 7 October 1994 section:
    Q: (L) Where did the Jews come from?
    A: Atlantis.
    Q: (L) Who was Yahweh.
    A: Fictional being.
    Q: (L) Who was the god that spoke to Moses on the mount?
    A: Audible projection of Lizards.
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  • (?): There's a portal in the Middle East.
    • (Turgon): Maybe it's a portal for lizzies? In the book, Defying Hitler one saw the face of a lizard on a Nazi brown coat.
  • (Il Matto): Is it true for the author of the preface to say that polytheism is one of things that cause satanic behavior to arise?
    • (Mari): Some say that the Old Testament stuff should be separated from Christianity, saying that the starting point should be with Jesus.
    • (Il Matto): Theologians argue that Jesus is the last blood sacrifice to end all sacrifices. In that way, the context of the OT is needed for that understanding.
    • (Mari): See Laura's articles on Yaweh and sacrifice.
    • (Seato): When things go really wrong, people may look to sacrifice the elites in power to appease.
      • (Turgon): In Lewbaciazi's book, that sacrifice of the elites causes the cycle to continue once more. He writes that it's crucial to deal with psychopaths in another way, and to know deeply what and how they operate. To inoculate against psychopathy.
    • (Bluefyre): More stuff coming out with circumcision in order to rewire, control and program people.

Introduction
  • The enduring roots of the Jewish people lies in part to their Bible, a.k.a. the Tanekh, in their language, which is akin to the Old Testament in Christian terms. It includes the five "Books of Moses" (Pentateuch/Torah), the Historical Books, and the Prophets.
  • Moses Hess and Leon Pinsker were the earliest prophets of political Zionism. They didn't draw inspiration from the Bible, but rather were converted to Zionism due to the rise of anti-Semitism.
    • The rise of anti-Semitism in Nazi Germany gave grounds for the creation of Israel in 1948. The Holocaust also solidified the belief that Jews are God's chosen people, with deep ties to the Bible that the author will explore later.
  • Zionism follows in the footsteps of Joshua, who was a prophet and military leader that conquered land and distributed them to the tribes of Israel. A similar dynamic is happening in modern-day Palestine.
  • David Ben-Gurion is described as "the personification of the Zionist dream" and blessed with the spark from Joshua's soul. Through military missions like the Israeli invasion of the Sinai in 1956, it was done to restore the kingdom of David and Solomon.
    • These efforts are in the hopes of bringing about what he prophesized as an end to all wars, where a Shrine of the Prophets would be built as the "Supreme Court of Mankind"--a mediator between federated nations. And that all nations will pay a tribute to the mountain of Yahweh. A prophecy by Isaiah.
    • These attachments to the Bible give justification for conquest in the minds of Zionists. It is this study of their Bible that gives insight into the decisions they make and their thinking, and as well as clarity into the mind-virus endemic to the Abrahamic religions.
  • The author hopes to free those from these toxic Zionist ideas, be it Jews or anyone else. Any moral judgment cast in the following pages are "directed at the elite who have built this prison throughout the ages, and kept its key".
  • There's a notion among Jews that Zionism is largely non-religious (despite its root in the Bible).
    • (Luis): Question for y'all, how can Jewish religion be seen as secular?
    • (Il Matto): It is inherently a materialistic ideology.
  • (Bluefyre): The fundies teach to see others who don't follow Jesus as an "other", similar to Jewish teachings.
    • (Turgon): The Zionist councils were in charge of moving Jews to various places like Palestine after WWII. Many of these Jews didn't want to go, but didn't have a choice.
    • (RedFox): In Gad Saad's book, Parasitic Mind: How Infectious Ideas Are Killing Common Sense, it describes the programming done to de-unify, deteriorate common sense, and stimy rational thought.
  • (Il Matto): The age and dating of the Bible is important due to it speaking the to the motivations of the Bible.

General Notes
  • (anartist) - Israel currently bombing South Lebanon...
  • (Redrock12) - Trump seems to not like war and he also doesn't like Netanyahu. It's like his hands are tied with what to do in Gaza.
  • (Mari): A vote of no confidence in Ukraine right after the meeting with Trump occurred in Ukraine calling for Zelensky's impeachment.
  • (Bluefyre) - I heard someone say that Canada has more precious metals than Ukraine.
    • (Seato): Maybe the rare mineral stuff that the USA is pushing for is a way to bring other nations into the peace deal.
    • (RedFox): The transparency that Trump set up in the white house with Zelensky showed how much of a fool Zelensky is.
    • (Mari) - Starmer, Macron, and others filmed in London seem to still want to support Ukraine, with Zelensky still wearing his combat "uniform".
    • (Laurs) - Zelensky was even wearing an Azov insignia.

For Next Meeting - March 9th, 2025

For our next meeting we'll be covering parts of chapter 1, titled "The People of Seth".

See y'alls in a bit!
 

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Luis Miguel said:
Would everyone be okay if we changed the time of the workshops to the end of March (French time)?
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If I understand your question you want to know if we all agree to follow the time change of France.
On March the 30th here in France (and all countries of the UE, I think, and the UK) we skip an hour, early in the morning.

For me, that means that I just have to adjust my clock like everyone else in the country and the meeting stays at 6 pm.

For most US states, the changing occurred today, march the 9th. That means that for most people in the US that didn't forget to adjust their clock the time of the meeting will be an hour earlier from today to march the 23rd and then back to normal.

That's of course if I didn't confuse myself.
 
Arwenn said:
Below are the links to what we discussed:
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Regarding the discussion of Paul's God, it seems that the following paragraph can be interpreted in at least two ways:

From Paul to Mark said:
Recall that the most complete ‘story of Jesus’ in Paul’s letters is found in the so-called Philippians hymn, widely thought to be a pre-Pauline tradition (see ‘The Cross’ in chapter 7). For the Philippians to accept it as authoritative, they must already have been familiar with its presentation of Christ. I propose that if the Philippians (and many others) paid honors to Divus Julius – a widespread cult throughout the Empire at the time, though it faded as Christianity blossomed – they would know without saying who ‘Christ’ was, the one who had received the name of ‘Savior.’ And since there was only one god, as far as Paul was concerned, and that god was the Jewish Yahweh, obviously Julius Caesar must have been his son. That would have been the main element of Paul’s gospel, the thing he was most anxious to convey to all: that there was a man who had been a perfect man (as Caesar was said to be by many, though of course, not by his enemies – same for the fictional Jesus), who had the courage to be obedient unto death in order to save all of mankind who would accept his patronage, and whose death – as Paul experienced it in its heavenly copy – had cosmic significance. That’s the short version.
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It can be thought that Laura is referring to Paul's "one god" as the Jewish Yahweh. However, she may have been referring to the milieu of the Philippians' beliefs, and that Paul's theology was not Yahwistic, only monotheistic or universalist.

Laura writes in the section on "Marcion Redux" that Marcion, "saw the contrast between the Jewish law and Paul's teachings and determined that the god who gave the law could not possibly have been the god of Jesus." While it is possible that Marcion may have thought Paul to be in error in his idea of who Caesar's deity was, this seems unlikely.

Referencing the C's sessions regarding this:
C's Session 7th October 1994 said:
Q: (L) Who did Paul encounter on the road to Damascus.
A: Spirit of the 6th density.
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C's Session 7th February 2015 said:
Q: (L) Did Paul and the people in this Jerusalem church together come up with the idea of replacing the worship of Julius Caesar with this Christ figure who was universal more or less?
A: Yes
Q: (L) Did they plan on it being a Jewish Jesus?
A: No, that came later.
Q: (L) But he did, in fact, persuade them that they should refocus from Caesar to a universal creator god. Is that it?
A: Yes
Q: (L) Because that is the strong concept among the Jews.
A: Yes
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C's Session 30th October 2021 said:
Q: (Ryu) Did Paul believe Yahweh was the same god as Caesar's or did he use the Jewish religion as a template for his message?
A: Latter.
Q: (L) I think he was just using the Jewish god as a stand-in. He didn't really have much in the way of anything to reference. At the time, there were all these different gods. Then of course the Jewish god was claiming to be the only high creator god. That's what Paul was working with.
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I also asked Grok for an analysis: "According to the information in Laura's Knight-Jadczyk's book, From Paul to Mark, was Paul's God the Jewish Yahweh?"

Grok said:
### Key Points
- Research suggests Paul’s God, as described in Laura Knight-Jadczyk’s book “From Paul to Mark,” is a transcendent, spiritual deity, distinct from the traditional Jewish God, aligning with Gnostic interpretations.

- It seems likely that Paul’s concept of God involves “Seeing the Unseen,” a mystical understanding beyond the material world, possibly influenced by Gnostic and Marcionite ideas. [Or the Gnostic and Marcionite ideas were influenced by Paul.]

- The evidence leans toward Paul’s God being the supreme, unseen entity, not the God of the Old Testament, which is a controversial interpretation challenging traditional Christian views.

### Understanding Paul’s God

Laura Knight-Jadczyk’s book “From Paul to Mark: PaleoChristianity” offers a revisionist perspective on early Christianity, particularly focusing on the apostle Paul. The book suggests that Paul’s understanding of God is not the same as the traditional Jewish God but rather a transcendent, spiritual deity. This interpretation aligns with Gnostic beliefs, where the supreme God is distinct from the material world’s creator, often seen as the Demiurge in Gnostic cosmology.

The book highlights Paul’s revelation of “Seeing the Unseen,” which likely refers to a mystical or spiritual perception of God, beyond physical reality. This concept is tied to Gnostic and Marcionite ideas, where figures like Marcion rejected the Old Testament and saw the God of Jesus as different from the Jewish God. This interpretation is controversial, as it challenges the traditional Christian view that Paul’s God is the same as the God of the Jews, with Jesus as the Messiah fulfilling Old Testament prophecies.

This perspective is unexpected for readers familiar with mainstream Christian theology, as it positions Paul as a Gnostic teacher with a distinct view of divinity, potentially influencing later Christian texts like the Gospel of Mark.

### Detailed Analysis

Laura Knight-Jadczyk’s “From Paul to Mark: PaleoChristianity,” published in 2021, delves into the origins of early Christianity, focusing on the transition from Paul to Mark and challenging conventional narratives. The book’s exploration of Paul’s God is rooted in a mythicist approach, suggesting that Jesus, as traditionally understood, did not exist historically, and thus, Paul’s references to God and Christ are interpreted differently.

#### Background and Context

The book is described on [Amazon.com](https://www.amazon.com/Paul-Mark-PaleoChristianity-Laura-Knight-Jadczyk/dp/173490741X) as a groundbreaking study that strips away centuries of assumptions to reexamine early Christian fundamentals. Reviews on [Goodreads](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/58167381-from-paul-to-mark) and [Amazon](https://www.amazon.com/Paul-Mark-PaleoChristianity-Laura-Knight-Jadczyk/product-reviews/173490741X) highlight its focus on Paul’s mission and teachings, with some critics labeling the author a pseudo-historian due to her association with the “Church of Revived Paleochristianity.” Despite this, the book is noted for its meticulous research, proposing a timeline from Caesar to Paul and Mark, backed by contemporary sources.

#### Paul’s Concept of God

The book’s table of contents, as seen on [Z-Library](https://zlib.pub/book/from-paul-to-mark-paleochristianity-6dt242ttqpe0), includes chapters like “Paul’s Mission” and “Paul’s Theology,” which are crucial for understanding Paul’s God. Reviews suggest that Paul is depicted as the “heart and core of Christianity,” with his teachings focusing on a revelation of “Seeing the Unseen,” a concept decoded in the book and linked to Marcion’s later resurrection of these ideas.

An interview with Knight-Jadczyk on [Sott.net](https://www.sott.net/article/314412-Behind-the-Headlines-Jesus-never-existed-Interview-with-Laura-Knight-Jadczyk) reveals her view that Paul was a Gnostic teacher, teaching that the God of the Jews was not the true God, and that the true God was something else, with Jesus as its emissary. This aligns with Marcionite theology, where the God of the Old Testament is rejected, and a new, transcendent God is embraced. This interpretation is supported by discussions on forums like [earlywritings.com](https://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8604), where the book is noted for placing Paul in the mythicist field, suggesting his Christ had a non-Jewish origin.

#### Comparison with Traditional Views

Traditionally, Paul’s God is the same as the Jewish God, with references in his letters, such as Romans 3:29-30, affirming monotheism (“Is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, since God is one”). However, the book’s Gnostic lens interprets these references as pointing to a supreme, unseen God, distinct from the material world’s creator. This is evident in discussions of 1 Corinthians 2:6-11, where Paul’s wisdom of God is seen as hidden, possibly referring to a transcendent realm, aligning with Gnostic archons and rulers.

#### Controversies and Implications

This interpretation is controversial, as it challenges mainstream Christian theology and aligns with mythicist scholars like Wells, Doherty, and Carrier, as noted in reviews on [Amazon.com.au](https://www.amazon.com.au/Paul-Mark-PaleoChristianity-Laura-Knight-Jadczyk-ebook/dp/B095W1C4KX). The book’s suggestion that Paul’s God is not the Jewish God but a Gnostic, transcendent entity is unexpected for readers expecting traditional views, potentially shifting paradigms in biblical criticism.

#### Detailed Table of Contents Analysis

The book’s structure, as seen in the Z-Library listing, includes:
| Chapter | Section | Relevance to Paul’s God |
|---------|---------|-------------------------|
| 5. Paul’s Mission | Paul’s Theology | Discusses Paul’s understanding, likely Gnostic |
| 5. Paul’s Mission | Sacrifice and Paul’s Christ | Explores Christ’s role, possibly mystical |
| 5. Paul’s Mission | Paul and the Cross | May link to transcendent interpretations |
| 7. Paul and The Gospel of Mark | Mark: Interpreter of Paul | Connects Paul’s God to Mark’s narrative |

This table highlights key sections where Paul’s concept of God is likely elaborated, supporting the Gnostic interpretation.

#### Conclusion

In summary, “From Paul to Mark” presents Paul’s God as a transcendent, spiritual deity, associated with “Seeing the Unseen,” and distinct from the Jewish God, aligning with Gnostic and Marcionite views. This interpretation is controversial but provides a detailed, revisionist perspective on early Christian theology.

### Key Citations

- [Amazon.com: From Paul to Mark: PaleoChristianity book page](https://www.amazon.com/Paul-Mark-PaleoChristianity-Laura-Knight-Jadczyk/dp/173490741X)
- [Goodreads: From Paul to Mark: PaleoChristianity reviews](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/58167381-from-paul-to-mark)
- [Sott.net: Interview with Laura Knight-Jadczyk on Jesus myth](https://www.sott.net/article/314412-Behind-the-Headlines-Jesus-never-existed-Interview-with-Laura-Knight-Jadczyk)
- [earlywritings.com: Forum discussion on From Paul to Mark](https://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8604)
- [Amazon.com.au: From Paul to Mark: PaleoChristianity eBook reviews](https://www.amazon.com.au/Paul-Mark-PaleoChristianity-Laura-Knight-Jadczyk-ebook/dp/B095W1C4KX)
- [Z-Library: From Paul to Mark: PaleoChristianity content listing](https://zlib.pub/book/from-paul-to-mark-paleochristianity-6dt242ttqpe0)
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So, I tend to think that Laura was referring to a later conflation of Yahweh with Paul's deity.
 
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