I would tend to picture a 12900 year chunk, with sub-hierarchic climatic events. The -129000 as a big one, "starter", and Thera, comets, as "minor ones" (and dependent). Is it objective?
I guess you meant to say 12,900 not 129,000.
Session Date: Aug 27, 2022
(seek10) C’s mentioned that the Hindu epics Ramayan and Mahabharat are representations of cosmic events. Are they the same event or different events?
A: Multiple events!
Q: (seek10) Is Mahabharat event happened at 1100BC end of bronze age event? If no, what is the event date? If yes, is it related to Victor clube’s Enke disintegration event ( 1000 =/- 300 BC )?
A: Close enough. But the main event was the 12900 event.
Interpreting above C's answer is
some what tricky. I will try my best, and it will be a long post. My above question itself has assumption that all are 'cosmic events'. But C's said was "Record
events of great significance". ( combination of many things). Due to that, i thought it is part of YD event around that time. Later C's gave few more data point that made things little more complicated.
Q: (Sid) Has "the War of 10 Kings" been used as a prototype for the Mahabharata war?
A: Same thing, like Atlantis.
Here,
C's are linking Rigvedic 'the war of 10 kings' to Atlantis to cosmic events to Mahabharata. There are few authors speculated about correlation between 'the war of 10 kings' to Mahabharata. Here C's are linking it to Atlantis itself.
There are few authors ( Nilesh Oak, Vedveer Arya (VA) ) talk about pre YD dates of Vedas, but they minimize Atlantis story and I am not completely not convinced the reasons they suggests. But, quite a few VA data points C's validated as correct ( out of15,000 or so data points he mentioned in his 3 chronology books) Fundies tend to place Vedic dates to millions of years back, as they kept on back dating the Yuga periods to counter the discrepancies in the predictions.
Now a days (Modi Era), they call it "Sanatana Dharma". Sanatana means eternal because Vedas said so. But these guys doesn't make a link to comets that comes from "place where information is King". But they don't have problem in repeating Gita's
verse to say Vedas are great.
Yada yada hi dharmasya glanirbhavati bharata Abhythanamadharmasya tadatmanam srijamyaham
Whenever virtue subsides and wickedness prevails, I manifest Myself. To establish virtue, to destroy evil, to save the good I come from Yuga (age) to Yuga.
If one accepts that comets are gods that may be true with a assumption that they know the mechanism. But, that is not what "fundies" are saying.
In the western world, you had clean reset with Judaism, Christianity with Alexandrian library burning, hiding what is in the pyramids, writing the bible ( by Greek enforcers )and probably around 500 BCE.
But, the same is not true with Indian texts. This fact is easily covered with random dating of Vedas around 1500 BCE- attributed to German Indologist Max Muller in the late 19th century and the entire reconstructed history is based on the Vedas date, which every body agrees as the oldest surviving one. Now, people like Vedveer Arya trying to parse and rearrange those. As per C's
- Vedas - started getting collected around 16K BCE, but mostly written in the Indian sub-region. Atlantis ended with 10.7K BCE YD and Noah's flood ( 40 years after YD).
- Vedas are still available with us, why can't some body figure out that. Vedas doesn't talk about Atlantis. Vedas are more about Indra, Varuna, Rudra, clan deities and so on. Written in a language dubbed as 'Vedic Sanskrit'. - C's says Sanskrit has Atlantean roots and they say 'Sanskrit society in India' originally wrote 'Book of Enoch'. But they also says Iranian farmer Aryans invaded 6249 BCE with their archaic Sanskrit.
Only 3 instances 'the war of 10 kings' mentioned out of 1000 or so sloka's of Rigveda, where this is mentioned. The clans mentioned are 'Puru' of Bharata Clan - The best and detailed analysis on 'war of 1o kings' I have seen is
here
Kuru's of Mahabharata are assumed to be descendants of Puru's of Vedas. But that linkage is rather weak due to contextual meaning of these words,
Purus, Aryans in Vedas is NOT racial, it is based on certain characteristics.
What if the 'the war of 10 kings' is part of Plato's Atlantean-Athenian battle on the Indian front? but the names of players in Vedas are different. How to reconcile this?
- Plato did say that Athenians-Athenian battle happened
before the Cosmic events (YD) . How old back? If we consider YD as 10.7 K BCE, 10.9K BCE
can be assumed as Atlantean-Athenian battle.
The following picture depicts crux of the 'out of India' theorists say in contradiction to 'Aryan Invasion' Indologists say. (
Ignore the date in these pictures).
Purus - came from word 'purusa' (cosmic being)
Iksvakus - tied to Rama's dynasty from Ramayan - But C's put Rama as 48K BCE Atlantean priest, Ravana as fictional cometary body.
Yadus - tied to Krishna of Mahabharata. C's put Krishna as partly fictional character. They did confirm that Dwarika of Yadus submerged at YD time and their descendants were Dravidians ( aka parantha descendants)
What 'Out of india' guys are saying there is a linguistic similarity of vedas that goes out. So it is 'out of India'. But What C's are saying
- Vedas collected in transit around 16K BCE. i.e. something motivated them to move, that fits into Clube's 20K BCE Giant comet entry and this cometary phenomenon tend to influence more in the north for some reason.
Every body agrees that Vedas as the oldest, even doubtful of its date, but how far back one takes is the question and vary. Main stream guys take few 100 years of few thousand years backward. Fundies takes it millions of years backwards. There are few take it to 10K yards backwards (using some astronomical observations).
Is there any other source that mention of Indian situation at that time.
- C's clarification of Cayce's Children of 'Law of one' vs 'Sons of Belial' as 'Initially racial, later philosophical may have a hint there. What if Puru is representation of 'Children of Law of One' ( children of Purusa (cosmic being) and vedic people wrote it in a language later labelled as Vedic Sanskrit?. This interpretation gives some connection.
- Cayce gives the names of 3 islands after breaking up of Atlantis ( probably after 26K BCE- C's date) - Poseidon, Mu ( some places it is mentioned as og) and Aryan - Poseidon became famous from Plato's writing , Mu somehow got mixed up with Lemuria ( C's gives previous wave cycle in pacific) during last 2 or 3 centuries and Arya (no need of introduction for this word). From Edgar Cayce's Atlantis book
The second destruction of Atlantis began in 28,000 B.C. and seems to have occurred in several stages, ending in 22,006 B.C. The end point of the second great destruction of Atlantis was, according to Cayce, the historical Great Flood of the Bible. One reading dates this event to 22,006 B.C. (E.C. 364-6). After this second destruction only three major islands remained: Poseidia, Og, and Aryan. At each of these destructions, massive migrations to other lands occurred, taking Atlantean influence far beyond its shores.
This earliest date I could get Aryan reference. Is this related to What C's mentioned Kantekkians settled in the northern portion? They said it is Kiev portal. it is hard to say as migration happened 80K YA and land must have changed lot of times with major plate rearrangement around 68K BCE etc.
- Gurdjieff talks about India as 'pearl island'. story from 'Beelzebub stories to his grand son' is Atlanteans are obsessed with pearls and over harvested them to exhaustion in the Atlantic Ocean. some of them migrated to India for pearls and never returned back and made India their homeland. - i.e. some Atlanteans in India.
- When I asked C's about who were living in India they consistently said , Parantha descendants, Atlanteans and 'some' Aryans. The timeline I was asked is - pre 48K BCE date and during Indus valley civilization (IVC) time ( 4K - 1K BCE).
- This is strange if one consider Aryans ( Iranian farmers with ancient Sanskrit) migrated through this area ( 6249 BCE), there must be lot of Aryans in the IVC. but that is not the case as per C's. It is also reflected in recent genetic study of IVC bones. i.e. IVC controllers somewhat chose their population.
Currently, Purus of Bharata's clan are considered Aryans and ancestors of Kurus of Mahabharata. If we have to interpret 11900 event to 'War of 10 kings' and to Atlantis, i have to assume that Purus ( combination of Atlanteans and Parantha descendants) stayed there and they are not exclusively Aryans.
If the Plato's Atlantean vs Athenian is based on the philosophical grounds ( aka 'children of law of one' vs 'sons of Belial'), then so called Aryans (who started migrating south from the North - 16K BCE) and Atlanteans who settled for pearls in India might have fought too. In that case, 11900 date becomes Atlantis saga ( 'Athenians vs Atlantean')
The entire narration of Aryans, Brahmins, Vedas, Sanskrit connection must have happened AFTER 6249 BCE Iranian farmer with ancient Sanskrit invasion and stayed that way since then ( with some exceptions during Buddhist period ( around 400 BCE onwards) , went dormant during Muslim period ( 1200 AD - 1750 AD) and later British period.
- This will explain C's data point of Vedas written by descendants of parathas (16K to 10K). It is simply hijacked Aryans with collection, packaging, redistribution, reinterpreting the Vedic content (aka comet) into blind rituals after 6249 BCE.
- This also will explain why Ramayana ( supposed to have happened at the end of Treta Yuga - VA dates around 6000 BCE) has little or no Aryan stuff, while Mahabharata full of Aryan stuff (supposed to have happened at the end of Dwapra Yuga - placed around 3000 BCE).
- Main stream focusses on Indus Valley civilization, no body knows much about it.
- To conclude Mahabharata:
- Battle of 10 kings ( probably related Athenians vs Atlantean) - Pre YD period
- Cometary hit at Kurukshetra ( R.N. Dandekar) - may be little after YD or part of YD. This corroborated by 3 stages of evolution Mahabharata considered to have gone through. jaya (Kurukshetra war), Bharata, Mahabharata. ignore the dates in the following picture.
- Approx. 3000 BCE geo politics of the region( end of Dwapara Yuga and start of Kali Yuga according to most of the Indian texts). IVC that is in existence between 4K to 1K is more related to North Western region of india.
- Actual standardization around 1100 BCE ( above C's quote). Remember by this time 1100 BCE, Cometary Venus already settled in the orbit, thus creating all sorts of havoc (bible exodus, 2300 BCE destruction etc.) 1600 BCE, 1100 BCE ). So they have to create 'Avatar doctrine' of Vishnu, make every body as his Avatar ( or reincarnation). That is how Vedic Vishnu a minor ( still powerful) distant cousin of mighty Indra suddenly became major God after 1100 BCE.
- Later it went into so many languages, variations, adding the social organization etc. went through additions and modification to accommodate the needs. For example.
- Ambedkar argued that many concepts Bhagavat Gita mentioned is borrowed from Buddhism. There may be some truth to it.
Irony of creation (or life) is that British who collected the old books from different places in India( 18th and 19th century AD), projected themselves as contributors of Hinduism, while promoting Indians as uncivilized for 'Idol worship' to their outside population. That is how the 'seeing the past from the present' goes - aka projecting present expectation on to the past. It must have happened countless times as the 'history is written by Victors'.
The same thing must have happened to Greek myths ( to records events of great significances) - Cuba references of Atlantean times ( in the
Where Troy once stood thread), St. Petersburg (recent C's session), countries in Europe (around 2200 BCE), 1100 BCE ( Troy in Britain destroyed) , Rome is found by 'Steppes Warriors' with locals ( 600 BCE) and so on.
The main thing is Indian events stayed in India, Greek stuff didn't stay at the same place. probably, that is is related to Comets that tend to effect northern hemisphere more, thus forcing migrations.
I know there are many assumptions and some what complicated. But this scenario nicely works in fitting in C's data in the jungle of Hinduism interpretations.
Probably that is a question to C's -
Is the 11900 reference is related to 'Atlantean vs Athenians' Atlantis war comment?
Or
'the war of 10 kings" war part of broader 'Atlantean vs Athenians' Atlantis war?
