Charlie Kirk is dead... A sad day in history

[Cosmos]

What Alana posted in another thread got me thinking:



I watched the full presentation of that guy and also a follow up presentation of him. While I think he might be a bit too black and white and a bit mislead/wrong in some of his reasoning, I think he could be onto something there in more ways than one.

Taking the above into account, what if the overarching agenda from a broader perspective might look something like that:

What Israel/Mossad is doing is done on purpose. For example, they want people to see how evil they are and what evil they are doing in Gaza and the rest of the world including what has happened now with Kirk. The more evil and public it is, the better. One goal of that is to galvanize the whole world against “the jews“ and hate them. They want to be hated/shunned as much as possible in order to bring forth “the end of days“, “the apocalypse“ after which they “will be saved“ by “god“ and be put in charge of the world as “the chosen people“. And a new holocaust might be one good way towards goals of that sort. If so, how Netanyahu behaved after the assassination might be on purpose on some level, maybe even from himself. They want people to suspect Israel and hate them more and more.

Now, I think it might be likely that the “Zionist“ “true believers“ are pretty much a very powerful human cult, but that even they are just puppets here that are currently the most useful/powerful direct way in which 4D STS can achieve its goals. And it is probably likely too that public figures like Netanyahu are now behaving like that because they are puppets of that death cult in the background that knows how they can position him in order to follow his nature and reveal them. So Netanyahu might be puppeteered in that way without really knowing it. And it is probably also likely that that death cult is a relatively small minority within the jewish denominations.

So, what we see globally with things switching back to “the right“ including with events like that Kirk assassination might be manipulated in that direction on purpose in order to slowly but surely bring forth another Hitler and “Holocaust“, and Apocalypse and then a new “jewish“ aristocracy that “will rule the world“ maybe quite openly with their reptilian god. The Lizard are “coming back“ to “rule“ and be worshipped more directly/openly again.

Another thing that stood out for me in the memorial is that, as far as I could see, Israel/Jews and/or judeo-christianity wasn’t mentioned once. The closest thing in that regard was when Vance shortly mentioned Jerusalem but right after that made it clear that Kirk wasn’t there but in America. Why is that? I mean, there appears to be a strong current now that justifiably and probably correctly blames “Israel“ or at least thinks it isn’t unlikely at all that they killed Kirk. So, what do people get away with when they then see a memorial that almost completely ignores “the jews“ while thwy suspect that “Zionist/Jews“ are in control of the government? They see that as a confirmation of their reasoning in that regard? Especially because it is such a strong contrast to the usual “Israel love“ that people were bathed in at almost every turn especially in events like this, for decades. A reverse psychology kind of thing/manipulation going on here?

Which brings be back to Kirk and how that “Israel“ revelation is coming out and back to how gaslighting works. Maybe the best way to create as much hate as possible is not to actually openly reveal “secrets“ of that sort but to do it in a gaslighting fashion?: Large parts of the internet now actually seem to know more or less the truth about “Israel“ while the mainstream (on purpose?) pushes conflicting lies that are so silly and clear while they insinuate that people can surely not be right in their perceptions. Doesn’t that increase hate more than just coming out with it at all fronts when the real goal is actually to make people hate “the jews“ again for a nefarious larger plan in which “the jews“ are also just pawns in the game of 4D STS?

 

[luc]

Watched a few of the memorial speeches and have mixed feelings about all this.

I'm not sure that the STS guys are very good at predicting such a massive reaction by the people. The reason being that at least part of it doesn't come from the usual psychological programming, but from the soul - in recognition of the slaughter by dark forces of a truly decent and "godly" guy, in the best sense of the word. So they might not have expected that strong of a reaction. But they are also very good at containing and redirecting that sort of energy, getting the masses back to the usual state of "psychologically conditioned reaction".

As to the memorial event, on the one hand, Lord knows we need some Godliness, a religious re-orientation towards at least a baseline of decency, recognition of evil and degeneracy, and standing up to it unapologetically. On the other hand, you can already smell the machinations behind the scenes (of TPUSA and more broadly) to turn this energy in the direction that the evil overlords want.

Interesting that many people have compared Kirk to Paul - on the surface just in the sense of his "mission", but probably hitting on a deeper truth: This all feels like a replay of the original conflict between the "Christian zealots"/Peter/the Jerusalem church", aka. the "Judeo-Christians", and Paul's Christians, aka. team Tucker & Co.

We'll probably see both dynamics playing out simultanously, no matter where this all goes politically: the "true Gospel" will take roots for those with eyes to see, where the seed falls on fertile soil; these people will follow a path of soul-development and alignment with the Cosmos. Meanwhile the "false Gospel", based on glorifying a list of tenets ("the law") will spread as well, taking those who believe it down a very dark path that ends with destruction and the belief in false Messiahs promising earthy rewards.

Note how Tucker, in his speech, focussed on self-development and self-awareness, as well as the powers that be who hate the truth, while other speeches focussed more on Christian tenets as "the truth". The difference can be subtle, but still reflects the original conflict between Paul's Christ and the Zealots' Christ.

 

[Cosmos]

While following speculations like the ones I posted above one could also play with the idea that the PTB might have made a significant miscalculation here, not in the obvious sense, but in the sense that they didn’t expect that some crucial/sane/decent parts of christian theology could re-emerge as a rather large “disinfectant“ against some of their larger plans.

 

[Laura]

It's very good for people to become aware of the reality of spiritual evil (STS). What is not so good is for them to flee mindlessly back into organized religion. It's a trap.

 

[Cosmos]

There are quite a number of famous and outspoken people (most especially on the right) who have rather recently “found god“ and then went directly into big established organized religions like catholicism, often seemingly going full in. Here is a small selection:

Tucker, Candace, Milo, Tate, Russell Brand, Ian Carroll.

How many of those people are capable to question some things in their new “homes“ I‘m not so sure. I think Tucker, Candace and Carroll might be more inclined to be able to do so compared to others.

 

[Andrian]

It's very good for people to become aware of the reality of spiritual evil (STS). What is not so good is for them to flee mindlessly back into organized religion. It's a trap.

Exactly, the entire current political, cultural and spiritual situation in US and the western world is being "directed" by someone from one extreme to the other, that is, from left to right. At least that's my impression.

So basically, nothing will change, same game, different dynamics. The same divide et impera manipulation tactics, it's insane. The only hope is for as many people as possible to see the mand behind the curtain, otherwise nothing will change.

 

[Aeneas]

Interesting that many people have compared Kirk to Paul - on the surface just in the sense of his "mission", but probably hitting on a deeper truth: This all feels like a replay of the original conflict between the "Christian zealots"/Peter/the Jerusalem church", aka. the "Judeo-Christians", and Paul's Christians, aka. team Tucker & Co.

Thank you for that angle of looking at it. It certainly is an interesting lens to wathc the events through. Those who are focused on the external, the enemy out there so to speak and want rules and external authority to 'fix' the world like the crusaders versus those who focus on the indivdual's internal agency and transformation towards truth.
The bits I have seen from the memorial including Trump's message that he thinks Robinson is the lone gunman, points to which camp the WH administration is beholden to. The whole 'investigation' by the WH of the Kirk assassination has been one of deceit, lies, manipulations/distortions and a push for more rules and censorship.

Regarding TPUSA then a shift has already taken place and Erika Kirk, bless her heart, will make no difference to that. That organisation is likely undergoing the ponerogenic process where it will end up with only a facade of its former self but where people will go to, because of the facade and the values of the founder. The transformation of the UK Labour party with Blair is just one example of this process, which Lobacewski has laid out so well. I don't see that Erika with 2 very young toddlers will be able to go up against those forces who put pressure on Charlie and possibly had a signifant hand in Charlie's demise. TPUSA has also not shown an interest in finding out the truth about the murder of Charlie and plays along with the US government's take on it. The statement by the TPUSA doctor is an example thereof.

 

[Cosmos]

Exactly, the entire current political, cultural and spiritual situation in US and the western world is being "directed" by someone from one extreme to the other, that is, from left to right. At least that's my impression.

So basically, nothing will change, same game, different dynamics. The same divide et impera manipulation tactics, it's insane. The only hope is for as many people as possible to see the mand behind the curtain, otherwise nothing will change.

Seems like it although I‘m not so sure that it is set in stone and that “nothing will change“ at least for those “with eyes to see and ears to hear“. If something like that is happening, one question might be how “many“ of those that are being redirected into seemingly another trap can wake up to that as well.

 

[Joe]

Subtle, but also not so subtle: "Hummus" is widely seen as the Israeli national dish (appropriately so, given that they stole it from the Arabs), so this dig can only be taken as referring to Israelis or Arabs. I don't think he meant Arabs, especially in the context of talking about Jesus and the Pharisees

(He might even have been unconscious of this, Tucker has a way of entering "prophet mode" where words come out he didn't necessarily plan, so...)

Yeah, it can (and probably will) be interpreted as an "anti-semitic" dig against the Joos. But also it can be interpreted as Tucker just presenting Kirk as a Jesus-like figure, and to do that he can plausibly use the story of the Pharisees plotting Jesus's death.

 

[Brewer]

In George Orwell's book, 'Homage to Catalina' he describes being shot in the neck during the Spanish Civil War. I asked Grok to find some details and it said...

Orwell was shot while in a trench on the Aragón front, likely at a range of 200–300 yards based on typical sniper engagements of the period,

Comparing ballistics:

• The .30-06 Springfield (developed 1906) typically fires a 150–180 grain bullet at 2,700–2,900 fps, delivering around 2,800–3,000 ft-lbs of muzzle energy, making it a powerful round for long-range shooting.
• The 7x57mm Mauser (common for Nationalists) fires a 139–175 grain bullet at ~2,500–2,700 fps, with ~2,000–2,300 ft-lbs of energy—less powerful than the .30-06 but still effective for sniping at 200–300 yards, the estimated range of Orwell’s injury.
• The 7.62x54mmR (used by Republicans) fires a 148–180 grain bullet at ~2,600–2,800 fps, with ~2,200–2,500 ft-lbs of energy, also less powerful than the .30-06 but comparable to the Mauser in performance.

Orwell was shot in the neck, and the bullet passed through cleanly without hitting bone, as he describes in Homage to Catalonia. This suggests a high-velocity round capable of penetrating soft tissue at moderate range, consistent with either the 7mm Mauser or 7.62x54mmR

They would've used standard military full metal jacketed ammo back in the day but he was probably shot with a rifle less powerful than the 30-06 at a longer range and it still went through. So what hit Charlie?

 

[Joe]

Interesting that many people have compared Kirk to Paul - on the surface just in the sense of his "mission", but probably hitting on a deeper truth: This all feels like a replay of the original conflict between the "Christian zealots"/Peter/the Jerusalem church", aka. the "Judeo-Christians", and Paul's Christians, aka. team Tucker & Co.

Yeah, from that perspective, it's kind of crazy that that dynamic would be playing out again 2,000 yrs (give or take) later. What we're seeing (maybe) is a growing awareness among American Christians that the "law" of the Jews and the OT and its destroyer god is NOT compatible with Jesus' teachings.

 

[Cosmos]

So it seems like there are still at least 5 important things many people would need to really “wake up“ towards in order to have a chance to significantly change course “for all“, which is probably not a realistic thing in a STS world, anyway, ever:

- Psychopathy
- Authoritarian followers (Or, “Organic Portals“, if you will)
- The STS vs STO pathway
- 4D STS
- And perhaps most importantly and difficult of all: true work on the self and realizing just how flawed you actually are and then change that.

 

[Joe]

It's very good for people to become aware of the reality of spiritual evil (STS). What is not so good is for them to flee mindlessly back into organized religion. It's a trap.

It's heartening to see Tucker take the approach of it being a spiritual battle (which he has referred to more than once I think). That allows, at least in theory, for people to dispense with the political angle of "left vs right" and realize that "evil forces" can work through anyone and all just should be judged by their actions, not their political or even religious affiliation. Looking at you Israelis!

 

[Cosmos]

Another thing I noticed during the memorial was that J.D. Vance, by far, had the biggest crowd behind him in the form of a vocal/enthusiastic cheering, compared to all other speakers. A thing I have noticed for quite a while about Vance ability to captivate the crowds. He seems to be the best at captivating an audience compared to all others in a similar position in America currently. See this thread in which some of that is discussed.

 

[Mrs. Peel]

It's very good for people to become aware of the reality of spiritual evil (STS). What is not so good is for them to flee mindlessly back into organized religion. It's a trap.

Yeah, I watched the majority of the service on my tablet, but I took breaks to get up and do stuff during the speakers I wasn't interested in. I've got several fundies (fundamentalist Christians) in my family and the entire thing was basically a "come to Jesus" rally. The highlight was Erika Kirk saying she forgave the young man who did it.

One thing I wondered about was when she said she went to the hospital and they told her that she may not want to see Charlie because of his wounds, but she said she wanted to see what they did to him. Wasn't she supposed to have been present when he was killed? Maybe they whisked her away immediately.

Elon Must siting with Trump for a bit has started a buzz about them "making up."

I also thought Trump's talk at the end sort of kept veering off into a campaign speech, but then he'd remember to throw something in about Charlie before he went off again.