Charlie Kirk is dead... A sad day in history

The way you phrased it makes it sound like he did something wrong, when it seems to be quite the opposite. I would also refrain from using the trigger word 'antisemite' in any context - it is inaccurate and has been basically weaponized for nefarious goals.

As to the symbology of Kirk and Star Trek, it could be a factor too - as in "killing the bright future" that Star Trek used to portray.

I did not know that both Shatner (Kirk) and Nimoy (Spock) are Jewish.
Well it is probably OK to point out Nimoy using the trigger word though Nimoy clarified it as more of a religion thing in general as in Roddenberry didn't like Christian analogies being made with Star Trek either. Roddenberry could probably be said to have done something not optimal in a throwing out the baby with the bathwater kind of way. Too humanist at the expense of spirituality isn't a great thing. In my younger days I used to notice Star Trek the Next Generation paralleling my life though I don't remember any specific examples other than one I mentioned here before with numbers on doors paralleling my math/physics interest. I did notice Charles James Kirk being James T. Kirk-like.
 
Btw, I just noticed that Jason Goodman, who has partnered with George Webb in the past, is on the Redacted show presenting nonsensical evidence of how CK was shot from the back. I wouldn't be suprised if JG is on the Zionist payroll to muddy the waters.
I muted both of them on X because of all their nonsense. JG is like a boomer version of Ashton Forbes. He recently got in a spat with Gary Melton and behaved like a paranoid degenerate.

 
fwiw , Nah , seems he died from blast ( almost ) immediately , as per decorticate posturing . ( ie spine severed / heart possibly compromised as well and or direct brain damage)
Thanks, It's possible the projectile missed major structures and the posturing was only temporary. Been to a few neck/brain injuries in my time including one who was temporarily a quadriplegic for several hours prior to discovery after coming off his motorbike. As we rolled him onto the spine board and removed his helmet his entire body regained full feeling. Been to several horse riding accidents where similar things happen to an injured neck. Temporary and localized paralysis, phantom pain etc. I've also seen the clenched fists caused by cardiac arrests, oxygen starvation and hypoglycemia, the latter resolving after a little glucose was received. Once went to a guy who suffered a massive cardiac arrest, lying flat on his back, hands tightly clenched, and arms splayed like CK's; 3 days after the event. There's a few variables that don't involve the spine or neck.
There's a video that appears to show his right arm, probably likely moved by the guy on the left but the hand appears relaxed but not floppy or clenched. His hands appeared to have relaxed, dropping the mike before he was knocked off that chair. Was he dead? Maybe not but looking at the actions of that team he didn't have long to go.
Who knows? Would very much like to see what that camera recorded. You can see the hands of the team come into view, not one drop of blood. Who's that guy on the right who pops up out of nowhere under smiling guy's arm?
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Thanks, It's possible the projectile missed major structures and the posturing was only temporary. Been to a few neck/brain injuries in my time including one who was temporarily a quadriplegic for several hours prior to discovery after coming off his motorbike. As we rolled him onto the spine board and removed his helmet his entire body regained full feeling. Been to several horse riding accidents where similar things happen to an injured neck. Temporary and localized paralysis, phantom pain etc. I've also seen the clenched fists caused by cardiac arrests, oxygen starvation and hypoglycemia, the latter resolving after a little glucose was received. Once went to a guy who suffered a massive cardiac arrest, lying flat on his back, hands tightly clenched, and arms splayed like CK's; 3 days after the event. There's a few variables that don't involve the spine or neck.
Fair enough , the human body is an amazingly complex machine. And since there won´t be any reliable autopsy available we have to work with publicly available videos/info. Gary Melton on one of his recent videos talked about the hidrostatic shock Ck´s body took , even if no direct hit from whatever was propelled by shaped charge to major organs its another possibility for major damage on critical areas. And yeah his security team looks like to be acting "on orders" that day , no visible blood from those around him from supposedly trying to stop a neck wound squirting blood ?(...) fwiw.
 
Whats ‘off’ with Erika Kirk.
These guys point out a few interesting things like: Erika publicly stating that she forgives the alleged shooter solidifies his guilt in the minds of the masses, they also give some history and her father’s connection to Israel.
If this is all true, and if Charlie Kirk was no longer a supporter of the Zionist agenda, then he was headed for heart break by a major fall-out with the mother of his children and wife he adored. His situation may have become impossible.

More 'off' with Erika Kirk:


It could just be that her 'Romania Angels' role for orphans was largely ceremonial, and that she had no idea the US colonel stationed there was a degenerate.
 
If there’s anything symbolic about Charlie’s surname, surely it’s the fact that it means ‘church’, because that’s where more people are going now.
And more specifically, 'kirk' is particularly associated with protestant christianity, especially in Scotland. So for someone like that, with that surname, to 'break from' the American (protestant, 'judeo-christian') Church, thus no longer espousing or supporting heavily OT-based interpretations of scripture that emphasize 'blessing Israel'... he's better off to them a dead (judeo-)christian martyr than a 'convert' (or rather, heretic, in their eyes).

Kirk is a Scottish and former Northern English word meaning 'church'. The term the Kirk is often used informally to refer specifically to the Church of Scotland, the Scottish national church that developed from the 16th-century Reformation.
 
Hi again. Actually, although it's true he initially went to a different Dairy Queen than the one Candace had brought up, his reasons for sticking with the second Dairy Queen seem reasonable enough.
No they're not. He got it completely wrong, and then he tried to justify his mistake (assuming it was just that, a mistake) after the fact, and you're helping him do so.
It is right across the street from Brigham Young and the Lacrosse field (seems there is a Lacrosse player in the mix with all this as well).
Wrong university!
In that sense, it would be where Tyler Robinson would likely meet up with students he was engaging with (as in directing the activities of).
What students? What meet-ups? Says who?
And the fact of its being destroyed in the same way the area just in front of where Kirk was assassinated was cemented over does seem consistent with the cover-up going on.
No it doesn't, at all. Webb conjectures that it was 'destroyed', you 'bite onto' his conjecture, then it's pointed out to him that he's at the wrong Dairy Queen, and yet, instead of being embarrassed, he shamefully persists in schizophrenic association of this (wrong) DQ with the paved-over crime scene where Kirk was shot... at a different university!!!
Also, it's closer to the airport than the other Dairy Queen, which was more isolated, and less accessible to students. It wasn't the likely meeting place, in other words. And it's proximity to the airport may play a role if Tyler got on the plane to St. George, since there is also the time element to consider.
The likely meeting place of who and who? Also, Robinson didn't go to the airport. The 'mystery plane' issue was satisfactorily clarified, at least for now, about 40 pages back.

The DQ at Brigham Young was the wrong DQ! I'm embarrassed for you, rushing to fill the glaring holes in Webb's inchoate nonsense. I see a lunatic at best, a conscious agent of disinformation at worst.

I Arwenn. I wish we could move on from this dismissal of George Webb. Hopefully, in the posts I've been writing related to his work there is enough material to take into consideration, and even re-direct some of our thinking.
No that's not how it works on a consensus-building forum thread. If anything, we re-direct some of your thinking.
I find in Webb's work a different, or maybe I should say a lively, at times challenging way to approach the difficult task of tracking covert operations. Yes, we might lazily go along with our AI searches telling us that Tyler's dad wasn't the same Matt Robinson who was the 27-year veteran of the Washington County Sheriff’s Department in Utah who retired not long ago.
Robinson's dad ISN'T the 27-year vet of the Wash. County Sheriff's Dept. YOU are lazily choosing to believe someone in whose 'web' you appear trapped.
OR we might consider the alternative reading that Webb offers. You can check my post on this (#1456). With enough metadata (including a lot of on the ground looking) one can come up with a theory, or a narrative of what we think is going on, in much the same way the best detective stories develop.
That's indeed what has been taking place here over these 90-some pages.
And, similar to such detective stories, the detective may feel to be stumbling in the dark for much of the time, landing on bits and pieces that may or may not prove relevant in the end. To me that's a stimulating approach. It has its triumphs and its pitfalls, but it's always moving in the direction of a more comprehensive understanding -- of this particular event, yes, but also of future and past events that leave a similar footprint.
Yes, well said. But Webb hasn't been helpful in that process.
 
I muted both of them on X because of all their nonsense. JG is like a boomer version of Ashton Forbes. He recently got in a spat with Gary Melton and behaved like a paranoid degenerate.

I'm glad he spoke up. What he's been subjected to is, in part, why we at SOTT are not 'weighing in heavily online'. In hindsight, it's very interesting that Goodman, Webb, 'Cullen', and Loomer all appear on the 'conspiracy scene' following the Las Vegas massacre, where they pushed either the 'helicopter theory' and/or the 'Saudi-assassination-plot-gone-wrong theory'.
 
Thanks, It's possible the projectile missed major structures and the posturing was only temporary. Been to a few neck/brain injuries in my time including one who was temporarily a quadriplegic for several hours prior to discovery after coming off his motorbike. As we rolled him onto the spine board and removed his helmet his entire body regained full feeling. Been to several horse riding accidents where similar things happen to an injured neck. Temporary and localized paralysis, phantom pain etc. I've also seen the clenched fists caused by cardiac arrests, oxygen starvation and hypoglycemia, the latter resolving after a little glucose was received. Once went to a guy who suffered a massive cardiac arrest, lying flat on his back, hands tightly clenched, and arms splayed like CK's; 3 days after the event. There's a few variables that don't involve the spine or neck.
There's a video that appears to show his right arm, probably likely moved by the guy on the left but the hand appears relaxed but not floppy or clenched. His hands appeared to have relaxed, dropping the mike before he was knocked off that chair. Was he dead? Maybe not but looking at the actions of that team he didn't have long to go.
Who knows? Would very much like to see what that camera recorded. You can see the hands of the team come into view, not one drop of blood. Who's that guy on the right who pops up out of nowhere under smiling guy's arm?
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I don't think that's Kirk's arm coming up, more likely someone closer down to Kirk? If so, that would explain why these three security guys we see 'don't have any blood on them' - they're not among those closest to Kirk.
 
Ian Carroll discussed the curious fact that the security team that appeared to deliver first aid to Charlie Kirk didn't have any blood on them at all, while that neck wound would've been bleeding severely. Edit: starts about 26 minutes in.

Is that spot marked in yellow exactly where Kirk lay? How soon afterwards was this still/footage taken? Have objects (and the tent itself) since been moved around or altered? They're making a 'strange lack of blood' assessment based on very limited data and faulty assumptions.
 

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I'm glad he spoke up. What he's been subjected to is, in part, why we at SOTT are not 'weighing in heavily online'. In hindsight, it's very interesting that Goodman, Webb, 'Cullen', and Loomer all appear on the 'conspiracy scene' following the Las Vegas massacre, where they pushed either the 'helicopter theory' and/or the 'Saudi-assassination-plot-gone-wrong theory'.
Clif High had a good take on Goodman a year ago:

 
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