Charlie Kirk is dead... A sad day in history

There were apparently reports of chest trauma right at the beginning, from the hospital I believe, that have vanished.
According to people familiar with guns (eg. Vahalla VFT) the entry wound is small, can be smaller than the bullet, it's the exit wound that is large.
Perhaps it is possible that the shaped charge destroyed the heart before exiting the neck, which would account for the lack of blood spurting from the carotid artery. Though if the shaped charge went through the heart you'd expect some blood backflowing through the entry wound? Jon Brays attempt to explain the neck wound is plausible, and could account for the on-the-fly bizarre official explanations for the unanticipated neck wound. How does a shaped charge work? It is not a metal bullet, perhaps its force is dispersed at it travels through the body?
Just as gun owners have been trashing the 306-06 story for the neck wound (a 306 would have taken off his head!) the same would apply to a shaped charge used to mimic a 306 entry into the chest as if it had been a 306 (Tylers rifle), there still would have been a hell of an exit wound!
Regarding Charlies chances of survival, it may have been possible, though I think the force behind a shaped charge would have liquefied his internals? I mention that in conjunction with the sudden increase in Charlies neck size due to possible cavitation.
Perhaps that is why the 'well-trained' security team rendered NO first aid, there were no ambulances on station at UVU, Charlie was carried, head flopping (unsupported) to a SUV, and he was taken to a hospital with less trauma capability that was further away from the main UVU hospital. Even if Charlie had not been immediately killed, the response of his security team would have guaranteed his death.
Apparently Barron Coleman does have pictures of chest trauma on Charlie, so we'll "wait and see" if he puts out that information (video or photos)
The idea of a shaped charge in the mic is possible, but you wouldn't have the control over EXACTLY striking the area you wanted to strike, unlike having someone pointing a gun at exactly the spot they wanted to hit.
 
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anartist said:
The idea of a shaped charge in the mic is possible, but you wouldn't have the control over EXACTLY striking the area you wanted to strike, unlike having someone pointing a gun at exactly the spot they wanted to hit.
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A shaped charge explosive , expels a liquid stream of metal at high velocity and temperature , we´ll never have a reliable autopsy available , but from video it seems that CK was dead even before he hit the ground , there was either direct damage to spine and/or brain , or it could have been damage due to hydrostatic shock through his body causing similar damage to central nerve systems forcing it to adopt a body posture very similar to decorticate posture , and since microphone package location, and on video expansion of CK´s tee-shirt simultaneously on both upper torso and upper back with a vectoring of upwards right to left, what is seen on his neck is an exit wound either from microphone parts and/or bone , from videos on youtube a shape charge can indeed be directed , it´s part of the design , on a crude comparison it´s like a water pistol , but with far more energy and liquid metal instead and in CK´s case we can even see on video the gas release effect from detonation, the tee-shirt inflating outwards from his body. ( fwiw)

Session 27 September 2025 :

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Q: (Joe) Did something explode in close proximity to him?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) Was it something in his wireless mic?

A: Yes

Q: (Niall) Was it placed there by his security?

A: The rifle sound was produced by a rifle that was connected to a remote firing system linked to the same controller that was used to set off the explosive that killed Charlie. This was meant to provide a distraction for agents to remove incriminating evidence from the area around Charlie.

(....)
 
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The idea of a shaped charge in the mic is possible, but you wouldn't have the control over EXACTLY striking the area you wanted to strike,
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I think the targeting can be fairly precise, and the consistency of the direction would also be fairly good over a short distance. But once it entered his body, moving in a specific direction, I'd say they could be fairly sure the job was done.
 
Ouf, Andrew Kolvet tried providing an alibi for Erika's whereabouts on the day Mitch Snow says he saw her at Fort Huachuca... and he provided one for the wrong day.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2004740372916797902

A secondary issue is that Erika is clearly implying that this is a photo of her two children, but her son is just 16 months old, and that boy, obscured as he is by her index finger over the phone, is clearly older.
 
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Geez..... what a convoluted, chaotic mish mash this has become with so many people involved. It's a real odd one. I stopped paying close attention after the surgeons story of a ricocheting bullet, proven to be a lie apparently. I listened to Candace explain what happened in the meeting with TPUSA and I was pleased that it sounded like many things where cleared up and a sensible, adult understanding had been reached, a productive turning point I thought. But now the whole thing has exploded once again.
 
Joe said:
I think the targeting can be fairly precise, and the consistency of the direction would also be fairly good over a short distance. But once it entered his body, moving in a specific direction, I'd say they could be fairly sure the job was done.
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I haven't watched the latest videos, so maybe this is covered. But one thing that I haven't seen brought up yet is the orientation of the mic box. Charlie was inconsistent in how and where he wore it. Sometimes he placed it more or less parallel with his body (here, here), sometimes perpendicular (here). On 9/10 it was perpendicular just prior to the explosive event (video, timestamp 0:58 - not endorsing the commentary, it was just the first video I could find). One solution to that problem would be to design the explosive to be placed in a rotating, spherical gimbal so that it always faces the same direction, but that would cut down on the volume available for the actual charge mechanism quite dramatically. Otherwise you would need to know with certainty which faces of the box Charlie habitually put against his body (e.g., either one specific edge, or the larger surface opposite the magnet), and have a spotter to confirm if/when the correct face is against his body. If it was an side face/edge, and it was designed to fire when placed perpendicular to the chest, then you might have a chance of getting it wrong, e.g. if the mic box was "upside down", and the charge would shoot in the opposite direction.
 
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On 9/10 it was perpendicular just prior to the explosive event (video, timestamp 0:58 - not endorsing the commentary, it was just the first video I could find). One solution to that problem would be to design the explosive to be placed in a rotating, spherical gimbal so that it always faces the same direction, but that would cut down on the volume available for the actual charge mechanism quite dramatically.(....)
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One possible solution for the unknown mic. direction is "outsourcing" via wireless software elsewhere and reduce the need for incorporating some sort of gyro on the microphone setup and rely more on sensors on mic. relaying info elsewhere for support but this still possibly increases needed changes on microphone. fwiw
 
Charlie didn't place his mic. "1776-hat sound guy" did. It seems weird to mount it the angle we saw. People tend to want things to be level.
Mic placement:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1972133177125945751

Baron Coleman (who unfortunately is a bit of a ranter so be patient) has some theories about how the components made it from the factory (since destroyed) to the event. He fingers Butch Higgs, and places him near the area of the mike-up for an alleged handoff of the device:

A week or so earlier, he had some things to say about the sound guy's behaviour:

 
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