Circumcision Articles and Discussions

[arkmod]

Laura with your volumes of type of others opinions, its interesting that you have any say at all. Do you have a Penis?

Do YOU think with your Penis? If so, this phenomenon has not been yet researched, as far as I know. But from what I see the results are not very encouraging :)

 

[Alana]

Speaking of penises, especially castrated ones:

From the book by Alexander Lowen, Narcissism: Denial of the true self:

He then told me [Mark, the client who went to the author for therapy] that he had always had the image that his body was a penis; his head was the glans while his body was the shaft. Could anything be more phallic or narcissistic!

The image of the body as phallus implies that Mark thought he had to be hard and strong. He prided himself on his erective potency, but while such potency is a precondition for orgasm, sexual pleasure and satisfaction depend on the discharge of the excitation and release of the tension. A man must surrender his erection to achieve orgasm. The emphasis on erective potency rather than orgastic potency stems from a commitment to be "there" for the woman. This was Mark's basic orientation in life. He had been seduced into this position by his mother's promise that he would be her "special" love. Unfortunately, as a child Mark could not see the emptyness of this promise. He did become her "special" love, but at the expense of his sexuality and sexual feeling. He gave up his orgastic potency for for an exaggerated erective potency[...]

Mark's case and his relationship with his mother explain how he became a narcissist, and how he came to hate women although he was not conscious of it. I am not saying that this is execlty the case with efields, it just that his posts reminded me of this case: his putting down of women, his narcissistic inability to see facts that contradict his beliefs, the sexual problems that surface through his writings.

 

[Laura]

he had always had the image that his body was a penis; his head was the glans while his body was the shaft

Interesting remark. The doctor who did some research on the subject that I mentioned who said that he found evidence that the sexual organs map to the brain in a similar way that the Chinese system maps the body to the feet (reflexology), pointed out that the foreskin maps to the neocortex and men who have been circumcised are damaged in their abilities to perform certain mental functions that take place only in the neo-cortex.

 

[Fifth Way]

Considering that most likely about 20% of this forum's male-members are circumcised, the awake ones may actually now trying to deal with the the negative fallout of that unrectifiable condition.[edited] For becoming parents the previously given data should bee sufficient to deter them. In the it was good that efields brought it up.

 

[efields]

Okay you guys all make valid points, and you have a compelling argument. What you propose is entirely possible. The US is a complete mess and Im emigrating to Boquete, Panama. I was just feeling attacked as I was born Jewish and have read a bit much anti Jewish sentiment here, and I took the low road and engaged in street brawl. I am not a champion of things Jewish as I think they are repeating the mistakes of the Nazis with regard to the killing occurring. I think all killing is a grotesque abstraction we borrowed from animals, and use nature as the example and say see its all natural eat or get eaten... Rubbish all of it.

But Im not a fan of the Muslims either. Violence is violence wherever it occurs. Organized religion has shed more blood than any group I'd associate with. Something wonderful I read (pleadian?):

"Religion is only a primitive concoction by man to command, suppress and exploit others, to which only spiritually weak life forms succumb."
Semjase

Off worlders have long since moved on from physical violence if most of the messages from them are to be believed. I would tend to believe that physical violence is an outmoded ancient pattern we will need to grow away from if we are to survive. It's easy to see how all cutting medical or otherwise could be classified as violence in the extreme. On that basis I could see your points. All violence mental or otherwise is our forgetting who/what we are. In that spirit I rest. I say forgive all their transgressions and lapses in awareness. Forgiveness is the great need of this world. Forgiveness and awareness.

And its great to finally see some new activity around here. This place needs a devils advocate. Its entirely to biased to the counterculture view. God forbid you disagree with any dearly held views. The 'Gang' will come out swinging. Someone actually said lucky he's not a moderator or I'd be banned from these boards. What a bunch of hooey..It's starting to remind me of the politics of Government.

Ah the smell of napalm in the morning....

Better to keep to thing you know what you speak of as in personal experience.

Okay, let me tell you about my "personal experience." I did hypnotherapy for over 25 years. My clients were men at a ratio of 2 to 1 over women. Many - if not most - of these men had a wide spectrum of issues which included self-esteem and related sexual dysfunction. Every single one - no exceptions - of the men with these problems, were circumcised.

Now, I cannot say that I specifically identified the source of their problems as circumcision because, at the time, I was not considering that as a possible cause and did not undertake any protocols to determine a direct relationship, but I can say that the issue was brought up a number of time by the men themselves who harbored strong anger against their parents for "mutilating" them.

I also would like to mention the extremely odd fact that America - the only place other than among Jews and Arabs where circumcision has been widely practiced for years - seems to be a country that is suffering wide-scale sexual dysfunction as can be witnessed by the extraordinary demand for Viagra.

Last of all, yes, your response was over-the-top defensive which is obvious from your need to be insulting and to feel that your manhood was being personally threatened. In my experience (not as a man, but as a therapist to many men with a broad spectrum of issues), most men who take such an attitude are, at some level, extremely uncertain about their "abilities." More than this, when it was necessary to deal with such problems between a couple, I often found that the partner of a man who had a highly inflated opinion of his ability to perform - generally phrased in the very terms you have used - was not in agreement with said opinion. Such men had very fragile egos and their partners often had to reassure them of their "competence" just to avoid being flamed and keep the peace. But the truth was that these women were very unhappy with the "performance" and that unhappiness manifested in other areas of the relationship. The two most common problems were 1) erectile dysfunction and 2) premature ejaculation.

In short, pardon me, but your slip is showing.

 

[efields]

Oh yes someone actually had the GALL to ALTER my title on my post!!!

It was 'Compelling' at the first word of the title! What monkey did that? LOL?

Bogus Evidence That Male Circumcision Prevents HIV Spread

WAS

Compelling Evidence That Male Circumcision Prevents HIV Spread

Talk about editorial license! SHEESH But hey its your board, so I guess you can edit posts any way you please.

sweet Oh by the way my wife and I have been in heaven together since 1977. Talk about attacks..

 

[ark]

I think all killing is a grotesque abstraction we borrowed from animals, and use nature as the example and say see its all natural eat or get eaten... Rubbish all of it.

And why do you think that all killing comes from creatures lower than man and not higher? What about Talmud? Is there soemthing about
how good is killing of "some people"?

But Im not a fan of the Muslims either. Violence is violence wherever it occurs. Organized religion has shed more blood than any group I'd associate with. Something wonderful I read (pleadian?):

"Religion is only a primitive concoction by man to command, suppress and exploit others, to which only spiritually weak life forms succumb."
Semjase

But this quote talks about "religion", not "organized religion". I do not think it
is worth quoting therefore.

It's easy to see how all cutting medical or otherwise could be classified as violence in the extreme.

This is not true. We cut our hair, our nails, and in danger we cut our hands and legs - to save our lives.

On that basis I could see your points.

But you see it the wrong way.

All violence mental or otherwise is our forgetting who/what we are.

Again, you are drawing wrong conclusions. Because sometimes violence is the only reasonable reaction to violence.

 

[Keit]

And its great to finally see some new activity around here. This place needs a devils advocate. Its entirely to biased to the counterculture view. God forbid you disagree with any dearly held views. The 'Gang' will come out swinging. Someone actually said lucky he's not a moderator or I'd be banned from these boards. What a bunch of hooey..It's starting to remind me of the politics of Government.

Ah the smell of napalm in the morning....

Apparently it's not a napalm ;)
I guess that if some stranger will enter your house and will leave pile of s**t on a carpet, you'll sit on a sofa with a smile and thank this stranger for a great opportunity to smell his insight? (ehh...inside).

Seriously, why do you so attached to this circumcision thing? Because it makes you feel Jewish? Gives purpose to your life? So why don't you come to Israel, to the great country of all Jews? Why Panama, if you say that this site needs some pro-Jewish shaking? Why not to join the noble cause of defending Israel IN Israel? I am sure here your attachment to circumcision issue will be appreciated accordingly. But wait, when I think about it, if you’ll start share with males here that you are proud that tip of you penis was cut off, I think you won’t find many friends even among Israelis. It’s just weird to have this kind of fixation.

 

[efields]

OMG I just saw this. I had to share as its wonderful...have a laugh, and enjoy a little....Im on a list with Jack Sarfatti and he forwarded this...priceless...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ860P4iTaM

Its just too precious. Maybe you need to be cat lover..We are, we have 3.

 

[Fifth Way]

Someone actually said lucky he's not a moderator or I'd be banned from these boards. What a bunch of hooey..It's starting to remind me of the politics of Government.

Ah the smell of napalm in the morning....

Boring try to manipulate. Boy, you've got to get up earlier in the morning to rise to the level of this forum.

As everybody could read, I followed my statement with "...Here is why:"

There are actually rules on this forum. Lets start with rule one. For your convenience I'll highlight what relates to you and your post:

Rule One, don't maliciously harass people, or flame them, or really make them want to flame you. If the moderators detect malice or manipulativeness (and they ARE experienced), and invitations to overcome such issues does not result in resolution, you will be deleted.

Get it?
Now what's your response? In a very manipulative way you try to pull the "freedom of speech" card. Sorry pal, does not apply here.
And to enforce that card - the wrong one to pull - you compare the one who is calling you on your pathetic insults with the sadist-psychopath Colonel Kurtz of 'Apocalypse Now'.
Yawn ....
That is why not only I thank god for not being a moderator, but I am sure everybody else on this forum does too: I just don't have the patience with 'people' like you. I'm just not moderate enough!
As the invitations to overcome this issues did not result in resolution I hope this was your strike out.

 

[efields]

Israel repells me with its warlike nature

 

[Fifth Way]

OMG I just saw this. I had to share as its wonderful...have a laugh, and enjoy a little....Im on a list with Jack Sarfatti and he forwarded this...priceless...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ860P4iTaM

Its just too precious. Maybe you need to be cat lover..We are, we have 3.

It seems that the programs that are running you, have now shut you down completely so that they are be able to totally dissociate you from the issue and the thread.
Wow. What a spectacular display. 8| Thank you for sharing.

 

[Laura]

As Ark pointed out "sometimes violence is the only reasonable reaction to violence". Just so. Sometimes insensitivity is the only reasonable reaction to insensitivity.

We are not required to be nice to people who are blindly rude and even obnoxious even if we are very patient in explaining many things to many people who haven't done the research or thought things through. As Keit pointed out, if someone comes in your house and drops a load of shit on the carpet, are you going to thank them?

And if someone comes on your board and creates a title that will be picked up by google, and weight of evidence shows that title to be not only misleading, but downright fraudulent, it's pretty much the same as someone coming and painting your house a different color than what you choose. Not only would you stop them, you would fix the damage they have done.

As we have pointed out before, this board is not about "freedom of speech" or mob rule. In the rules, the purpose of the forum is clearly set out:

You also need to understand the philosophy of the owners of this forum and the associated websites.

First our Vision for this forum: to create an environment for the stimulation, development and then the alignment of objective consciousnesses as defined and described by Georges Gurdjieff.

 

[Fifth Way]

We are not required to be nice to people who are blindly rude and even obnoxious even if we are very patient in explaining many things to many people who haven't done the research or thought things through.[...] As we have pointed out before, this board is not about "freedom of speech" or mob rule.

I couldn't agree more as is quite apparent from my own reply to that humanoid.
I found that post to be slightly insensitive as you not only addressed it (him) but at the same time a further 20% of your male forum members [edited]. I'm sure there could have been a way to insult it (him) back without having anybody else feel bad about them selves too, or?

 

[Laura]

I found that post to be slightly insensitive as you not only addressed it (him) but at the same time a further 20% of your male forum members

Okay. Point taken. I apologize. I edited, now you edit.