Civil War in Ukraine: Western Empire vs Russia

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Siberia said:
Do you mean Valery Andruschuk? I was shocked when I heard this news..

But Russian mass media says he is alive and has been released by the protesters of Mariupol today. The Head of the Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs, Arsen Avakov, confirmed it.

In Russian:

http://expert.ru/2014/05/12/glava-mvd-ukrainyi-osvobozhden-nachalnik-militsii-mariupolya-valerij-andruschuk/
http://podrobnosti.ua/accidents/2014/05/11/975461.html

And what about this piece of 'news' where the kidnapped claims on TV that the hung is alive (they lost me here :huh: :umm:) ...but expensive?

_http://podrobnosti.ua/accidents/2014/05/11/975461.html

Yandex traslation, slightly improved:
11 May
People's Deputy of the Verkhovna Rada, the presidential candidate Oleg Lyashko argues that the chief of the city police Mariupol Valery Androshuk alive.

He said this in a live broadcast of the program "Details of the week" on Sunday evening.

"The chief of police of the city of Mariupol, Valery Androschuk alive, but they want large ransom for him. We are negotiating," said Lyashko from Mariupol.

He also denied information about his abduction. On Sunday separatists has spread information that militiamen captured Oleg Lyashko and are taking him to Slavyansk.

Today Oleg Lyashko informed on his Twitter (my translation):
"After joining our efforts we managed to free Valery Androschuk, Head of Mariupol Police Dept. He is alive, but seriously injured. He has a craniocerebral trauma and broken ribs. I hope he will be better soon".

In Russian: http://www.eer.ru/a/article/u151/12-05-2014/20393.

It is still unclear whether he was ransomed or not. :cool2:
 
CNN believes that Ukraine is somewhere.. in Pakistan! :lol:

http://rt.com/news/158252-ukraine-pakistan-cnn-mistake/
 
I've just read an article on Sott about Donetsk and Lugansk's referendum ,at the bottom of the article Sott editors leaved a comment that says that after the succesuful voting( 90% pro independence) in Donetsk ,the mayor sent a letter to Moscow asking them for accsesion into the Federation of Russia ,after reading this i almost cried of joy, i really wish the best for all the people of Ukraine and hope that this nightmare will finish soon for them.Indeed like the Sott's comment of the article says it will be an interesting week.
 
The Minister of Justice of junta P. Petrenko considers that soon the Prosecutor General's Office initiates a question of recognition by the terrorist organizations the Donetsk and Lugansk national republics.

"As for those organizations which actually are terrorist, the law was adopted and, I think, soon the State Office of Public Prosecutor will raise a question of recognition of these organizations - the Donetsk national republic, the Lugansk national republic - the terrorist organizations as they on all the signs get under this definition" — the minister the day before on air of the 5th channel told, reports Interfax Ukraine.

http://russian.rt.com/article/31655

My friend from the city near Kiev wrote that there at entrance/departure from Kiev many barricades piled. Piled bags, sit with machine guns and look in a telescope.
 
ODESSA 5/02: The Untold Truth of Kulikovo Field [Part 1] (in English)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ja4c8sHHhSE

and materials about ukraine: http://truthful-blog.livejournal.com/
 
Lumiere_du_Code said:
My friend from the city near Kiev wrote that there at entrance/departure from Kiev many barricades piled. Piled bags, sit with machine guns and look in a telescope.

This is interesting. Why is this?

Also, Russia is not going to tolerate sanctions any more, it seems:

Russia will bar the United States from using Russian-made rocket engines for military satellite launches, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said on Tuesday, retaliating for sanctions on high-tech equipment which Washington has imposed over the Ukraine crisis.

He also said Russia would reject a U.S. request to prolong the use of the International Space Station beyond 2020.
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Rogozin also said Russia will suspend the operation of GPS satellite navigation system sites in Russia from June and seek talks with Washington on opening similar sites in the United States for Russia's own system, Glonass.

He threatened the permanent closure of the GPS sites in Russia if that is not agreed by September.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/05/13/ukraine-crisis-russia-usa-idINL6N0NZ4EA20140513
 
Siberia said:
Lumiere_du_Code said:
My friend from the city near Kiev wrote that there at entrance/departure from Kiev many barricades piled. Piled bags, sit with machine guns and look in a telescope.

This is interesting. Why is this?

Also, Russia is not going to tolerate sanctions any more

just last night posts began to do round Kiev. I suppose this is due to the junta's statements about the "round tables with the East" - they decided "to be reinsured".
also junta kidnapped the leader of biker club that it delivered to Slavyansk humanitarian assistance, first of all medicines for victims of retaliatory operation.
Judging by how it happened - it stole by SBU (Security Service). здесь подробнее (на русском):
http://aftershock.su/?q=node/229782

and Russia's response to the sanctions was a pleasure to read :cool2:
finally they began to put in place these scoundrels
 
off topic:

Department of Homeland Security purchases, particularly in the wild amounts of ammunition. Quickly arming and other U.S. law enforcement agencies operating in the domestic market. Interestingly, now that the U.S. State Department and buys hundreds of pounds of plastic explosives and thousands of containers with liquid explosives, then sending them to embassies around the world.
 
It's getting hot around there. There are significant changes going on in Russia:

_http://ru-facts.com/news/view/35093.html

President chairs reshuffle and appointment
2014-05-12 02:06 PM

Vladimir Putin signed a decree on the establishment of the Ministry for the North Caucasus and the appointment to the post of head of department of the former governor of Krasnoyarsk Krai Lev Kuznetsov. Acting governor of Krasnoyarsk Krai appointed Victor Tolokonski who worked presidential envoy in the Siberian Federal District. Moreover, the President appointed two new envoys: Commander of Internal Troops Nicholas Rogozhkina in SFO and the commander of the joint group of internal forces in the North Caucasus in the North Caucasus Federal District Sergei Melikov. Vladimir Kozhin appointed Vladimir Putin's assistant on military-technical cooperation, ceasing to be a manager of the president. Manage the affairs of the Russian president appointed Alexander Kolpakov.

«To establish that the Ministry of the Russian Federation for the North Caucasus responsible for drafting and implementing state policy in the sphere of socio-economic development of the North Caucasus and coordinates implementation on the North Caucasus federal government programs and targeted programs “- says the presidential decree published on the Kremlin website.

«Vladimir Putin issued a decree in accordance with paragraph” d ” Article 83 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation appointed Lev Kuznetsov Minister of the Russian Federation for the North Caucasus “, - said in another report on the presidential website.

As explained by presidential press secretary, Dmitry Peskov, “actually aligned system in three areas: the Crimea, the Northern Caucasus and the Far East. ” “There are all created the same structure: it is the minister plenipotentiary and deputy prime minister in charge” - he told reporters, RIA “Novosti».

Earlier Monday, Vladimir Putin offered the governor of Krasnoyarsk Krai Lev Kuznetsov headed the Ministry of Development of the North Caucasus. Putin thanked Kuznetsova for her work as head of the regional and expressed hope that he uses his experience and skills to work in a new place. The President explained that the ministry created to focus on the development of the North Caucasus, as well as other key areas. Kuznetsov thanked the President for the trust.

Today, the President made a number of personnel changes. Acting governor of Krasnoyarsk Krai become Tolokonskiy Victor, who worked before the presidential envoy in the Siberian Federal District.

In addition, the President appointed two new envoys: Commander of Internal Troops Nicholas Rogozhkina Siberian Federal District and commander of the joint group of internal forces in the North Caucasus in the North Caucasus Federal District Sergei Melikov.

On Monday, Vladimir Putin appointed Viktor Zolotov First Deputy Minister of Internal Affairs - commander of the Interior Troops, reported The Kremlin press service.

Besides the head of state the decree appointed Vladimir Kozhin presidential aide on military-technical cooperation, freeing him from office business manager of the president, a position he held since 2000. Manage the affairs of the Russian president appointed Alexander Kolpakov.

Which, I think, is Putin's response to recent NATO efforts concerning that region:

_http://en.ria.ru/world/20140513/189793237/OPINION-Ukraine-Crisis-Exposes-NATOs-Eastward-Expansion-Drive.html

OPINION: Ukraine Crisis Exposes NATO’s Eastward Expansion Drive

MOSCOW, May 13 (RIA Novosti) - The Defense Minister of NATO "aspirant" member state Georgia has urged the military alliance to expand eastward while the ongoing Ukraine crisis can serve as a smokescreen, says Rick Rozoff, the owner and manager of the StopNATO website.

The defense minister of Georgia, Irakli Alasania, recently concluded an eight-day visit to Washington, D.C., which began at the Toward a Europe Whole and Free conference of the Atlantic Council and ended at the Pentagon.

The first event commemorated the fifteenth, tenth and fifth anniversaries of North Atlantic Treaty Organization expansion in the post-Cold War era: The incorporation of the Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland in 1999; the absorption of Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia in 2004; and the accession of Albania and Croatia is 2009. In all, a 75 percent increase in the military bloc's membership from 16 to 28 members, the twelve new members all in Eastern Europe and all either former Warsaw Pact member states, including three former Soviet republics, or former Yugoslav federal republics.

The Atlantic Council event was co-chaired by former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright and former National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley, the former also head of the National Democratic Institute, and included addresses by Vice President Joseph Biden, Secretary of State John Kerry and European Commission President José Manuel Barroso as well as the attendance of NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen. U.S. Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel received the Council's Distinguished International Leadership Award, with other leadership awards being granted to Barroso and Marine Corps General Joseph F. Dunford, Jr., top commander of NATO's International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan.

According to a Georgian news account of the above event, Defense Minister Alasania stated that, "in response to Russia's actions in Ukraine," NATO should deploy military assets in his nation, which fought a five-day war with Russia in 2008, including "antiarmor, antiaircraft and antitank" capabilities, as "this is something we need to put in Georgia and Russians will understand that you are serious."

Delivering these comments as part of a panel discussion that included NATO's Deputy Secretary General Alexander Vershbow, an American and former U.S. ambassador to Russia, as well as the defense chiefs of the Czech Republic, Estonia and Montenegro, Alasania lamented the fact that the crisis in Ukraine might eventually subside, that sanctions would be lifted and that, to lend the most plausible interpretation to his words, a precious opportunity may be missed to exploit the tragedy in Ukraine, so to avoid that lapse "we should do something that will have strategic importance - this is expansion of NATO." He also offered his sponsors in Brussels and Washington the opportunity for increased "exercises from the NATO countries [in order] to have a footprint in Georgia," according to Civil Georgia, the source for most of the above quotes as well as for Alasania's contention that "these joint exercises may have a regional context with involvement of troops from Azerbaijan, Georgia and Turkey with a focus on protecting energy and pipeline infrastructure."

He also demanded, or rather perhaps voiced his masters' demands, that NATO boost the deployment of military personnel and equipment to the other, as NATO calls them, aspirant countries, the next in line for full Alliance membership: Bosnia, Macedonia and Montenegro.

NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen promised to take the matter under advisement and back with him to the bloc's headquarters in Brussels.

Alasania's fellow panelist Vershbow identified Russia "as more of an enemy than a partner," perhaps the first public admission of what any sensible observer could have discerned about NATO not only during but ever since the (formal) end of the Cold War. His Georgian colleague hastened to chime in that he "certainly" concurred.

The Georgian defense minister also met tête-à-tête with Vice President Biden, who had been the first major American official to fly into Georgia after the war with Russia almost six years ago, then promising the Mikheil Saakashvili regime one billion dollars in aid.

The day after the Atlantic Council conference ended, James Appathurai, NATO Secretary General's Special Representative for the Caucasus and Central Asia, was in the Georgian capital of Tbilisi where, again according to a report from Civil Georgia, the military bloc is now examining the "next steps" to bring the country "even closer" to NATO.

Alasania also met with members of the U.S. Senate and House Committees on Foreign Affairs and Subcommittees on Defense to discuss deeper military cooperation and Georgia's NATO membership.

On May 7 he was the guest of his American counterpart Chick Hagel at the latter's haunts, the Pentagon, where the two deliberated over NATO's war in Afghanistan (where Georgia is the largest troop contributor of any non-full Alliance member) and NATO interoperability.

According to Civil Georgia once again:

"The two leaders also discussed the ongoing crisis in Ukraine. They reviewed the efforts by allies and partners in the region to reinforce our international commitments and to continue to apply diplomatic and economic pressure on Moscow."

The Georgian Ministry of Defence website reported that after the meeting Alasania issued the following statement (verbatim):

"Meeting with U.S. Secretary of Defence was very productive. We continue dialogue what steps the USA and Georgia should make forward for increasing Georgia's security and defence capability. I'd like to outline that we have progress in this direction and this meeting once more confirms that strategic partnership in defence and security sphere between Georgia and USA is strengthening."

The following day British Foreign Secretary William Hague arrived in the Georgian capital and pledged full support to the host nation's incorporation into both NATO and the European Union. Hague's itinerary started with visits to Moldova and Ukraine, which with Georgia constitute three-quarters of the U.S.-initiated Georgia-Ukraine-Azerbaijan-Moldova (GUAM) bloc, established in the 1990s to further NATO integration of post-Soviet space, the "resolution" of so-called frozen conflicts (Georgia with Abkhazia, Adjara and South Ossetia; Ukraine with Crimea; Azerbaijan with Nagorno-Karabakh; Moldova with Transdniester and Gagauzia), transport corridors for future wars in the south and east and transit routes for Caspian Sea oil and natural gas to Europe, circumventing and squeezing out Russia and Iran. All but Azerbaijan have been the victims of successful "color revolutions" as well.

During the Atlantic Council conference, NATO's Alexander Vershbow also stated, apropos the above:

"We need to step up our support for defense reforms and military modernization of Russia's neighbors, and not just of Ukraine, but also Moldova, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan."

Armenia is at loggerheads with Azerbaijan over Nagorno-Karabakh and it is no secret that Washington and Brussels would prefer to absorb all three former Soviet South Caucasus republics - Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia - en bloc.

And since Rick Rozoff is mentioned above, I recommend listening to the latest Corbett interview with Rozoff:

_http://www.corbettreport.com/interview-881-rick-rozoff-calls-out-the-nato-warmongers/
 
Imagine that:

"The Farce Is Complete: Joe Biden's Son Joins Board Of Largest Ukraine Gas Producer"

_http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-13/farce-complete-joe-bidens-son-joins-board-largest-ukraine-gas-producer

Pardon me if it is a repost. I am a couple of pages behind on this thread.
 
luc said:
I think " The Crowd: A Study of the Popular Mind" by Gustave LeBon (see this thread) offers a lot of insights on this phenomenon as well. He goes into detail on how crowds can get hypnotized and basically suspend all their critical thinking in the process, and how this can easily spread. Amazingly interesting read in light of what's going on (not only) in Ukraine...
Thank you, luc. I'll read it.

Patience said:
Imagine that:

"The Farce Is Complete: Joe Biden's Son Joins Board Of Largest Ukraine Gas Producer"

_http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-13/farce-complete-joe-bidens-son-joins-board-largest-ukraine-gas-producer

Pardon me if it is a repost. I am a couple of pages behind on this thread.
Killing is a huge business for them. Vultures made ​​politics another dissociative entertainment for the masses, while they kill millions of humans and enslave the survivors.
 
The junta in Kiev are exposing themselves with every day that passes. Russia is doing well to just let the lunatics in charge in Ukraine expose their pathologies and thereby hang themselves in the proverbial rope that they are being given.

The latest has the billionaire presidential 'pretender' and frontrunner Poroshenko come up with the suggestion to mine TV antennas so as to block Russian news channels: http://www.sott.net/article/279102-Ban-on-free-speech-Ukraines-presidential-frontrunner-Poroshenko-urges-to-lay-mines-at-TV-towers-to-prevent-Ukrainians-from-watching-Russian-TV

Ukrainian presidential nominee Petro Poroshenko on Tuesday called on the authorities in Kiev to go as far as laying mines at television towers to block access to Russian television channels for Ukrainians.

"Today, we need to protect TV towers and lay mines there if necessary. Anyway, it is impossible to allow our people to be exposed to the Russian propaganda because that is creating a big problem," Poroshenko said in a live interview with Ukraine's ICTV television channel.

Poroshenko thanked all Ukrainian television channels for an initiative to remove all TV series and films about the Russian army from air.

Poroshenko earlier told media he had provided assistance to Euromaidan protesters in Kiev. "Euromaidan" is the unofficial name for anti-government protests in Ukraine that started when President Viktor Yanukovych refused to sign an association agreement with the European Union last year to study the deal more thoroughly.

Then there is evidence that the junta has been using UN marked helicopters in their attack on civilians in Kramatorsk: http://www.sott.net/article/279104-Scandal-erupts-UN-marked-strike-helicopter-used-by-Kiev-junta-against-militia
The UN has voiced concerns over the apparent use of UN-marked helicopters by Kiev troops in their military operation against Donetsk regional militia. A video of a white-painted Mil Mi-24 strike helicopter with UN logo has emerged.

When inquired about the United Nations' stance on the use of peacekeeper-marked military hardware in non-peacekeeper operations, the office for UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon's spokesperson said such use would violate UN rules.

"It is the responsibility of Troop Contributing Countries (TCCs) that provide Contingent Owned Equipment to peacekeeping missions to remove all logos and signage bearing the UN's name once such equipment has been repatriated to the home country or is no longer being used for official UN purposes," the office told RT.

It added that UN-marked aircraft can be used for missions tasked by the UN and that UN's Departments of Peacekeeping Operations and Field Support is in contact with the Ukrainian authorities to clarify the issue.

A video of a UN-marked Mil Mi-24 strike helicopter was published on Tuesday by LifeNews television. It said its correspondents covering Kiev's military operation in the Donetsk Region took the video near Kramatorsk. LifeNews said at least three combat Mi-24 and one transport Mi-8 helicopters carrying UN colors were spotted in the area.

One wonders how long the EU can follow the lead of the US in this and repress the facts on the ground. Apparently a poll shows that 89% of the German people are against what is going on in Ukraine and that this poll has been suppressed.

There is something rotten in the state of the EU and not just Denmark ;)
 
A good article on the subject from the Guardian "In Ukraine, the US is dragging us towards war with Russia":

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/13/ukraine-us-war-russia-john-pilger.

The article covers not only the Ukrainian crisis, but the whole situation worldwide.
Maybe it could be posted on SoTT?

Note the first extract:

Why do we tolerate the threat of another world war in our name? Why do we allow lies that justify this risk? The scale of our indoctrination, wrote Harold Pinter, is a "brilliant, even witty, highly successful act of hypnosis", as if the truth "never happened even while it was happening".

Very true, imo.
 
Siberia said:
A good article on the subject from the Guardian "In Ukraine, the US is dragging us towards war with Russia":

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/13/ukraine-us-war-russia-john-pilger.

The article covers not only the Ukrainian crisis, but the whole situation worldwide.
Maybe it could be posted on SoTT?

It has been up on Sott a few days already and yes it is good to see in mainstream papers: http://www.sott.net/article/279069-John-Pilger-In-Ukraine-the-US-is-dragging-us-towards-war-with-Russia
 
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