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Putin just made a speech in which he lays out a 7-step plan to stop hostilities in E. Ukraine.

In this german article you can watch that part of the speech with german audio translation:
http://www.br.de/nachrichten/ukraine-konflikt-annaeherung-100.html

So far I was not successful to find the whole speech in english anywhere...

But here is a breaking news video from RT that talks about that 7 point plan:

And here is an RT article that talks about it in more detail:
http://rt.com/news/184791-putin-ukraine-kiev-militia/

Ukraine ceasefire: Putin lays out 7-step plan to stop hostilities in E. Ukraine

Russian President Vladimir Putin talks to journalists following Russian-Mongolian talks in Ulan-Bator.

Kiev must withdraw troops from southeastern regions of Ukraine and rebels must stop offensive to stop bloodshed, Russia’s President Vladimir Putin says. He and Ukrainian leader Petro Poroshenko discussed "a ceasefire regime."

READ MORE: Kiev retracts 'permanent' ceasefire statement, says steps for establishing peace agreed

President Putin has outlined a seven-point plan to stabilize the situation in the crisis-torn east of Ukraine.

“On my way here from [the city of] Blagoveschensk to Ulan-Bator [Mongolia], I outlined some ideas and plan of actions. It’s here, but in handwriting,” Putin told reporters.

1. Militias should cease military advances in the Donetsk and Lugansk Regions.

2. Pro-Kiev armed forces should withdraw to a distance that excludes the possibility of shelling settlements.

3. Implement full and objective international control over ceasefire observation and monitoring.

4. Exclude the use of combat aircraft against civilians and villages.

5. Prisoner/captive-exchange via an ‘all-in-all’ formula, without preconditions.

6. Humanitarian corridors for refugees movement and delivery of humanitarian aid across Donetsk and Lugansk Regions.

7. Direct repair-crew access to destroyed social and transit infrastructure with supportive aid.

Putin expressed hope that final agreements between Kiev and militia in southeastern Ukraine could be reached and secured at the coming meeting of the so-called contact group on September 5.

“I hope the leaders of Ukraine will support the anticipated progress in bilateral relations,” Russia’s president said.

He called on Ukraine to take an active part in the work of the contact group “for a final and comprehensive settlement of the situation in the southeastern Ukraine, of course, with full and unconditional assurance of the legitimate rights of the people who live there.”

Commenting on the phone call with the Ukrainian president earlier on Wednesday, Putin stressed that their “views on ways to resolve the conflict are aligned.”

Later on Wednesday, the Ukrainian president expressed “great hope” that the peace process will start negotiations in Minsk on Friday.

“The first task is peace,” Poroshenko said. “Today at 5am, because of the time difference, we talked with President Putin about ways we could stop this horrible process. It is impossible to deny that people should being killed,” he added. The Ukrainian President stressed that all Ukrainians want peace and that is why he will strive for it.

Anti-Kiev militias say they are ready to lay down arms, but only if the same is done by all the government units fighting in the east of the country, said DPR Prime Minister Aleksandr Zakharchenko.

The political leader of the self-proclaimed republic noted that Kiev will have to obtain compliance from irregulars, such as Right Sector volunteer battalions, and mercenaries, who are also fighting on the side of the government.

“These have previously sabotaged existing deals,” said Zakharchenko.

The DPR leader said that the recent upturn in the rebels’ fortunes would improve the chances of striking a deal with Petro Poroshenko’s government.

Germany has supported the news that the two presidents are showing willingness to resolve the conflict, saying that Germany and the International community are ready to assist measures aimed at securing the ceasefire.

“Presidents Poroshenko and Putin are bearing responsibility not only for their nations, but all Europe,” German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said in Hamburg. He stressed that now it is important to take decisive steps to establish a ceasefire in Ukraine.

“We are ready to assist this path via either repeating the meeting in Geneva or through other international formats,” he added.

In Ukraine, meanwhile, Putin’s peace plan was met with criticism from the country’s prime minister, Arseniy Yatsenuk, who said that Russia’s real plan is to destroy Ukraine and restore the USSR.

"We are waiting for decisions from NATO and the EU on how to stop the aggressor,” he said.

In Yatsenuk’s opinion, Putin’s 7-point plan is “an attempt of eyewash for the International community ahead of NATO summit and an attempt to avoid inevitable decisions from the EU on the new wave of sanctions against Russia.”

The “best” for Ukraine would be a one-point plan, Yatsenuk stressed, which is the withdrawal of Russian troops from Ukraine.

“And then there will be peace,” the PM said.

Russia has repeatedly denied accusations of direct military involvement in the conflict.

So far, attempts at temporary ceasefires between Kiev and self-defense forces in the past months have failed to bring about any improvement in the situation in southeastern Ukraine. Each time fighting has continued, with both sides blaming each other for breaking the truce.

2,593 people have died in fighting in eastern Ukraine since mid-April, the UN reported last week.

The military conflict that started this spring has displaced over a million Ukrainians, with the majority of them finding refuge in Russia.

:rockon: Putin!

I guess there is a good likelihood that if Poroschenko really holds the ceasefire and even slightly moves toward excepting Putins proposals here, that some kind of false flag will be committed again, to blame Putin, further demonize him and stop that peace process.

So lets be watchful in the next coming days and weeks...
 
Pashalis, apparently you missed it but this 7-point plan is already on SOTT for some time:

http://www.sott.net/article/284998-Common-sense-7-step-plan-proposed-by-Putin-to-stop-hostilities-in-E-Ukraine
 
Pashalis said:
Putin just made a speech in which he lays out a 7-step plan to stop hostilities in E. Ukraine.

In this german article you can watch that part of the speech with german audio translation:
http://www.br.de/nachrichten/ukraine-konflikt-annaeherung-100.html

So far I was not successful to find the whole speech in english anywhere...

But here is a breaking news video from RT that talks about that 7 point plan:

And here is an RT article that talks about it in more detail:
http://rt.com/news/184791-putin-ukraine-kiev-militia/

Ukraine ceasefire: Putin lays out 7-step plan to stop hostilities in E. Ukraine

Russian President Vladimir Putin talks to journalists following Russian-Mongolian talks in Ulan-Bator.

Kiev must withdraw troops from southeastern regions of Ukraine and rebels must stop offensive to stop bloodshed, Russia’s President Vladimir Putin says. He and Ukrainian leader Petro Poroshenko discussed "a ceasefire regime."

READ MORE: Kiev retracts 'permanent' ceasefire statement, says steps for establishing peace agreed

President Putin has outlined a seven-point plan to stabilize the situation in the crisis-torn east of Ukraine.

“On my way here from [the city of] Blagoveschensk to Ulan-Bator [Mongolia], I outlined some ideas and plan of actions. It’s here, but in handwriting,” Putin told reporters.

1. Militias should cease military advances in the Donetsk and Lugansk Regions.

2. Pro-Kiev armed forces should withdraw to a distance that excludes the possibility of shelling settlements.

3. Implement full and objective international control over ceasefire observation and monitoring.

4. Exclude the use of combat aircraft against civilians and villages.

5. Prisoner/captive-exchange via an ‘all-in-all’ formula, without preconditions.

6. Humanitarian corridors for refugees movement and delivery of humanitarian aid across Donetsk and Lugansk Regions.

7. Direct repair-crew access to destroyed social and transit infrastructure with supportive aid.

Putin expressed hope that final agreements between Kiev and militia in southeastern Ukraine could be reached and secured at the coming meeting of the so-called contact group on September 5.

“I hope the leaders of Ukraine will support the anticipated progress in bilateral relations,” Russia’s president said.

He called on Ukraine to take an active part in the work of the contact group “for a final and comprehensive settlement of the situation in the southeastern Ukraine, of course, with full and unconditional assurance of the legitimate rights of the people who live there.”

Commenting on the phone call with the Ukrainian president earlier on Wednesday, Putin stressed that their “views on ways to resolve the conflict are aligned.”

Later on Wednesday, the Ukrainian president expressed “great hope” that the peace process will start negotiations in Minsk on Friday.

“The first task is peace,” Poroshenko said. “Today at 5am, because of the time difference, we talked with President Putin about ways we could stop this horrible process. It is impossible to deny that people should being killed,” he added. The Ukrainian President stressed that all Ukrainians want peace and that is why he will strive for it.

Anti-Kiev militias say they are ready to lay down arms, but only if the same is done by all the government units fighting in the east of the country, said DPR Prime Minister Aleksandr Zakharchenko.

The political leader of the self-proclaimed republic noted that Kiev will have to obtain compliance from irregulars, such as Right Sector volunteer battalions, and mercenaries, who are also fighting on the side of the government.

“These have previously sabotaged existing deals,” said Zakharchenko.

The DPR leader said that the recent upturn in the rebels’ fortunes would improve the chances of striking a deal with Petro Poroshenko’s government.

Germany has supported the news that the two presidents are showing willingness to resolve the conflict, saying that Germany and the International community are ready to assist measures aimed at securing the ceasefire.

“Presidents Poroshenko and Putin are bearing responsibility not only for their nations, but all Europe,” German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said in Hamburg. He stressed that now it is important to take decisive steps to establish a ceasefire in Ukraine.

“We are ready to assist this path via either repeating the meeting in Geneva or through other international formats,” he added.

In Ukraine, meanwhile, Putin’s peace plan was met with criticism from the country’s prime minister, Arseniy Yatsenuk, who said that Russia’s real plan is to destroy Ukraine and restore the USSR.

"We are waiting for decisions from NATO and the EU on how to stop the aggressor,” he said.

In Yatsenuk’s opinion, Putin’s 7-point plan is “an attempt of eyewash for the International community ahead of NATO summit and an attempt to avoid inevitable decisions from the EU on the new wave of sanctions against Russia.”

The “best” for Ukraine would be a one-point plan, Yatsenuk stressed, which is the withdrawal of Russian troops from Ukraine.

“And then there will be peace,” the PM said.

Russia has repeatedly denied accusations of direct military involvement in the conflict.

So far, attempts at temporary ceasefires between Kiev and self-defense forces in the past months have failed to bring about any improvement in the situation in southeastern Ukraine. Each time fighting has continued, with both sides blaming each other for breaking the truce.

2,593 people have died in fighting in eastern Ukraine since mid-April, the UN reported last week.

The military conflict that started this spring has displaced over a million Ukrainians, with the majority of them finding refuge in Russia.

:rockon: Putin!

I guess there is a good likelihood that if Poroschenko really holds the ceasefire and even slightly moves toward excepting Putins proposals here, that some kind of false flag will be committed again, to blame Putin, further demonize him and stop that peace process.

So lets be watchful in the next coming days and weeks...


Psychoshenko will not accept anything from Putin. There is only two way to stop the war. The people of whole Ukraine will rise against the junta (highly unlikely to happen) or by total destruction of Ukraine’s army in all of parts of Ukraine, which means that Russia must do it personally. Even than they will continue to provoke, because the only way to stop the psychopath is by physical destruction.

The psychopath is a machine who don’t understand anything and do what is “their job” no matter what, never gives up.

The only real way to stop it, is by destruction of NATO and the USA (which is also highly unlikely). Could be also if by some miracle happens and something scares them (although it’s very hard to scare psychopath).

BTW They use ceasefires just to regroup.
 
Avala said:
Psychoshenko will not accept anything from Putin. There is only two way to stop the war. The people of whole Ukraine will rise against the junta (highly unlikely to happen) or by total destruction of Ukraine’s army in all of parts of Ukraine, which means that Russia must do it personally. Even than they will continue to provoke, because the only way to stop the psychopath is by physical destruction.

The psychopath is a machine who don’t understand anything and do what is “their job” no matter what, never gives up.

The only real way to stop it, is by destruction of NATO and the USA (which is also highly unlikely). Could be also if by some miracle happens and something scares them (although it’s very hard to scare psychopath).

BTW They use ceasefires just to regroup.

quite so, I completely agree with you, man.
 
Seems that the EU is accelerating Ukraine’s “ascension” (more precisely downfall) to the EU. In order to do so, Ukraine must have none of a industry or any serious production of anything. Among first victims seems to be Antonov aircraft factory. As far as I understand it, first they shut it down, and then force the new management. After that goes so called “privatization” (more like “ruin-ination”) and finally complete shutdown.

_http://ukraina.ru/news/20140903/1010372753.html
 
I knew I shouldn't have watched this just after eating:
_http://news.sky.com/story/1329691/sky-films-troops-in-russian-gear-in-ukraine

Well, it was a link from a FB 'friend' sent to me proving it's "Putin's war against Ukraine" - sigh :rolleyes:
 
Interesting situation regarding the ceasefire. Probably under influence of vast Ukrainian loses also. Poroshenko is maybe doing this just to regroup and rearm (NATO comes in Ukraine in two weeks), which would mean bad end for him and the whole Ukraine. Or maybe he is really good businessman and he did recognized that the country will be destroyed so he sincerely agrees to sign ceasefire. In which case there is a chance that he gets killed in some airplane crash (or some other CIA specialty) and/or to be constantly harassed by US/Ukraine’s neo Nazi crap such as Yatsenyuk and alike. Who he can stop only by killing them all (highly unlikely, technically difficult, plus they are protected by USA).

And if he is not independent a bit, and the ceasefire is agreed between Putin/Novorossia and USA/NATO, what USA gets in all of that? With that their reputation would be even worse than it is so far.

Anyway, interesting pat position.
 
I checked our well known domestic news site (US/NATO mouthpiece) as most sites of our country's are and found this:
_http://index.hu/kulfold/2014/09/05/anyu_donyeckbe_vezerelnek/

Looked up the name Anton Tumanov if this is true:

for Anton Tumanov Russian soldier dies in Ukraine because 'there was no other job'?
_http://www.kyivpost.com/content/russia-and-former-soviet-union/russian-soldier-dies-in-ukraine-because-there-was-no-other-job-363238.html

According to the servicemen, the order to cross the Ukrainian border came on Aug. 11. Those who refused were insulted and threatened by the commanders. They were ordered to turn in their phones and documents, change uniform and paint over number plates on their vehicles. Every soldier received thin white bands for their arms and legs.

Order from whom? Russian military? Site is obviously an US/Kiev mouthpiece: linked this article to:
_http://www.cfr.org/russian-federation/russia-wants-hot-peace-not-war/p33392

Maybe it would be useful to know how exactly this asking happened?:
Tumanov phoned home almost every day. In early July he said he was asked if he wanted to volunteer to go to Ukraine.

Are there high ranked Russian military officers, who interpret the official Russian stance - there will be no Russian military in Ukraine - loosely?
 
I came across video on youtube about capture of US mercenary by novorussian troops. He says he is a US citizen on video and Russians are not too happy with that:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFBU4GwBa1s

As youtube account user said:


April 9, 2014 - Obama stay out of Ukraine! As you can hear this captured soldier speaks perfect American English. In my day you were well respected when you said "I'm a US citizen" in a foreign country. Not anymore. The scuttlebutt in the US military is that some are being sent to the Ukraine but not in their regular uniforms. In my day that meant you could be shot as a spy.
The people of Kharkov managed to capture this American in Ukrainian police uniform. Soldier or mercenary? Maybe both are being used.
American citizens will see more about this and stop it as they protested against military intervention in Syria.

If he had some brains he would stayed silent but it just shows that he thought if he is a US citizen that he would get some special treatment, in a way he did just in opposite way probably.
 
This Saker post makes it clear, there are lots of embers under the ashes in Russia regarding the fighting against Ukraine. So military support, covert and not so covert is not surprising at all:
_http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.se/2014/09/ukrainian-ceasefire-q-and-rfc.html
 
do you remember those strange sounds few year ago on ukraine? Now we have war there. There are other places too, where we heard those sounds. Funny if something will happen there. Canada? UK? Poland?
 
seiw83 said:
do you remember those strange sounds few year ago on ukraine? Now we have war there. There are other places too, where we heard those sounds. Funny if something will happen there. Canada? UK? Poland?

about what sounds you speak?
 
Lumiere_du_Code said:
seiw83 said:
do you remember those strange sounds few year ago on ukraine? Now we have war there. There are other places too, where we heard those sounds. Funny if something will happen there. Canada? UK? Poland?

about what sounds you speak?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcUDYBIrWio

Discussed here:

http://cassiopaea.org/2012/03/13/the-cs-hit-list-06-lets-do-the-planetary-twist-to-the-tune-of-the-brothers-heliopolis/

and here:

http://www.sott.net/article/240826-New-Sott-Report-Strange-Noises-in-the-Sky-Trumpets-of-the-Apocalypse-
 
I haven't watched the video yet but here Lada Ray goes into discussing some body language and possible mind control happening in Kiev:
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62qZEyhN3hk&feature=youtu.be
The robotic behaviour of Poroshenko and his wife can be just psychopathy in display but some symbolic aspects are quite interesting.
 
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