Civil War in Ukraine: Western Empire vs Russia

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By the way, I've noticed that Russian channels, like Russia 24 were probably told not to be shy about covering Nemtsov's death and treating it just like a death of any prominent and important politician. Basically, they treat him with respect and show that they take his death and the investigation seriously. Pretty smart.
 
Nemtsov was killed on the 27th of february

from wikipedia for that day

1933 – Reichstag fire: Germany's parliament building in Berlin, the Reichstag, is set on fire, apparently by the Communists.
the murder has also eerie resemblances with how WW1 started:

The immediate trigger for war was the 28 June 1914 assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria, heir to the throne of Austria-Hungary, by Yugoslav nationalist Gavrilo Princip in Sarajevo. This set off a diplomatic crisis when Austria-Hungary delivered an ultimatum to the Kingdom of Serbia,[10][11] and entangled international alliances formed over the previous decades were invoked. Within weeks, the major powers were at war and the conflict soon spread around the world.
 
Here is CBC's story today on the Nemtsov shooting _http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/boris-nemtsov-killing-several-theories-on-shooting-of-russian-opposition-leader-1.2977001

snips said:
One Moscow resident, identified only as Vera, said she was shocked at hearing news of the killing.

"There is lawlessness that is spreading in our country," she told Reuters Sunday. "I myself lost two young people in the 1990s. And now — you see, near the Kremlin walls. It is lawlessness, a nightmare. Nightmare, nightmare, nightmare. I didn't sleep all night, I don't know how one can live in this type of country. Even though I didn't like him much — maybe didn't know something — but now I'm in shock, I'm in shock." { :rolleyes:}
[...]
Prime Minister Stephen Harper released a statement late Friday, calling the murder a "shameful act of violence."

"I was shocked and saddened to learn of the murder of leading Russian opposition figure and former deputy prime minister Boris Nemtsov," Harper said.

"Mr. Nemtsov will be remembered as a fearless advocate of democracy, human rights and the rule of law in Russia. A leader unafraid to voice essential truths, even in the face of violent intimidation, he was also a prominent opponent of Russia’s aggression in Ukraine and the illegal occupation of Crimea," he said in the statement.
[...]
U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said Nemtsov committed his life to a more democratic Russia, "and to strong relationships between Russia and its neighbours and partners, including the United States."

German Chancellor Angela Merkel praised Nemtsov's courage in criticizing Kremlin policies, and urged Putin to insure that the killers are brought to justice, her spokesman Steffen Seibert said.

Former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev echoed the suggestion that the killing was a provocation. "It's an attempt to push the situation into complications, maybe even to destabilizing the situation in the country," he was quoted as saying by the Interfax news agency.

Communist Party leader Gennady Zyuganov agreed. "It's a provocation; for big fires, sacrificial figures are necessary," Interfax quoted him as saying.
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In an interview with the Sobesednik newspaper, Nemtsov said earlier this month that his 86-year old mother was afraid that Putin could have him killed. Asked if he had such fears himself, he responded: "If I were afraid I wouldn't have led an opposition party."

Speaking on radio just a few hours before his death, he accused Putin of plunging Russia into crisis by his "mad, aggressive and deadly policy of war against Ukraine." { :rolleyes:}

Nemtsov's lawyer, Vadim Prokhorov, said the politician had received threats on social networks and told police about them, but authorities took no steps to protect him.
[...]
{notice Kasporov's assumption}
Garry Kasparov, a former chess champion who worked with Nemtsov to organize protests against Putin and now lives in the United States, said the killing shows that Putin and those who support him are lying when they say their popular support is strong. { :rolleyes:}

"If you have 86 per cent support, why do you kill someone like Boris?" he said...

It will be interesting to gauge the media/political/social focus in the West going forward; whenever it is elevated it surly leads to something else, to other nefarious plans.
 
Re: The War against Putin; Russian opposition leader, shot dead in central

Laura said:
Siberia said:
mkrnhr said:
Actually it would be completely idiotic for any government to do such a thing, especially to a nobody on the political scene, and certainly not in broad daylight in the streets of the capital. This guy will become a symbol of "liberty", "freedom", "democracy" for the western media presstitutes, and for the ignorant masses, which is yet another symptom of the depths of lies this world is plunging into.

Indeed. Nemtsov news is already on top of Twitter and 99% of tweets are 'anti-Putin' and 'pro-liberty.' Sickening.

I agree with the Saker that it's yet another MH17 against Putin which is even stronger than Politkovskaya and Litvinenko combined (in terms of ponerizing people's minds).

Let's see if we can help turn the twitter tide by repeating over and over again that it was a CIA false flag attack designed to blame Putin/Russia.

I've been repeating that message while sharing Putin's speech from 2012, but man, the propaganda keeps spewing like biblical flooding! Hundreds of anti-Putin tweets in minutes, and apparently most of the world doesn't have enough neurons to ask, "Cui bono?". What can you do?
 
Re: The War against Putin; Russian opposition leader, shot dead in central

zlyja said:
Laura said:
Siberia said:
mkrnhr said:
Actually it would be completely idiotic for any government to do such a thing, especially to a nobody on the political scene, and certainly not in broad daylight in the streets of the capital. This guy will become a symbol of "liberty", "freedom", "democracy" for the western media presstitutes, and for the ignorant masses, which is yet another symptom of the depths of lies this world is plunging into.

Indeed. Nemtsov news is already on top of Twitter and 99% of tweets are 'anti-Putin' and 'pro-liberty.' Sickening.

I agree with the Saker that it's yet another MH17 against Putin which is even stronger than Politkovskaya and Litvinenko combined (in terms of ponerizing people's minds).

Let's see if we can help turn the twitter tide by repeating over and over again that it was a CIA false flag attack designed to blame Putin/Russia.

I've been repeating that message while sharing Putin's speech from 2012, but man, the propaganda keeps spewing like biblical flooding! Hundreds of anti-Putin tweets in minutes, and apparently most of the world doesn't have enough neurons to ask, "Cui bono?". What can you do?

Just keep working it. Hopefully, folks from this thread can keep it going round the clock from various time zones.
 
That was my immediate thought, that Nemtsov was murdered to try to put the blame on Vlad. The farm boys at the cia are good at that sort of thing. It may have some effect, if only a fleeting one.
 
I just saw this on Russia Insider. It would seem President Putin warned of such a thing happening three years ago.
http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/02/28/3962
 
Notice that on the day Russia was gonna turn off the gas to Ukraine, and potentially EU, this guy gets offed. Coincidence? I think not!
 
Re: The War against Putin; Russian opposition leader, shot dead in central

Laura said:
zlyja said:
I've been repeating that message while sharing Putin's speech from 2012, but man, the propaganda keeps spewing like biblical flooding! Hundreds of anti-Putin tweets in minutes, and apparently most of the world doesn't have enough neurons to ask, "Cui bono?". What can you do?

Just keep working it. Hopefully, folks from this thread can keep it going round the clock from various time zones.

Have been whenever I can. #Nemtsov and #Putin aren't on the top trends anymore, when they were an hour ago. Maybe Twitter was getting too much backlash, and decided to engage in some censorship? And if Putin shuts the gas off now, he'll be branded even more of a tyrant than before. It's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.
 
Fort Russ at http://fortruss.blogspot.com/ is covering the murder of Boris Nemtsov intensively.

A video has surfaced, linked at http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/02/video-recording-of-nemtsovs-murder.html .
The translation by J.Hawk reads:
The TVTs TV channel published surveillance camera video which captured the moment of Nemtsov’s murder in the center of Moscow. One can see the car and the silhouettes of people.

We can see how Boris Nemtsov and Anna Duritskaya are walking on the bridge toward the Bolotnaya square. They are overtaken and obscured by a snow clearance vehicle with flashing lights. A second later another man runs out from behind the vehicle, gets into a car and leaves.

The snow clearance vehicle stops several meters from the location of the crime. Only one silhouette remains, apparently Nemtsov’s acquaintance. Then she walks up to the drivers, and spends several minutes behind the snow clearing vehicle.

At the same time other pedestrians walk on the bridge. They walk past as if nothing had happened, while others stop briefly out of interest. One individual inspects the place of Nemtsov’s death, then runs up to the snow clearing machine, next to which is the girl, then returns to the body. At 23:35 the first vehicle stopped here, and left several seconds later. The girl returned to the place of the crime, then two other individuals walked up to it. At 23:37 another vehicle drives by, abruptly stops, and drives in reverse to the site of the crime. It remains next to the crime scene for some time.

Police arrive at the crime scene at 23:42. We can see two individuals running away from under the bridge.

Investigators are considering all possible versions of Nemtsov’s murder. However, Rossiyskaya Gazeta sources in the law enforcement say that they are most interested in the scenario in which Nemtsov was killed for personal reasons. In spite of the fact that Nemtsov was fired at no less than six times, not a single bullet struck his companion Anna Duritskaya.

J.Hawk's comment adds:
That is by far the most plausible explanation of Nemtsov's death. He was mixed up in all manner of shady, immoral, and possibly even illegal interpersonal and financial dealings. He had plenty of opportunity to make enemies for himself, and did not get along especially well with most of the so-called "Russian opposition." Once again, the fact he was shot at 6-8 times at point blank range, out of which only 4 shots hit, and moreover that his companion who was in perfect position to see who was shooting at Nemtsov was left alive and unharmed on the scene, suggests a personal animosity toward Nemtsov somehow related to this "relationship" (for lack of a better word--somehow I doubt the 55-year-old Nemtsov was going to marry the 23-year-old "actress-model) on the part of the shooter.

That the US government ordered or inspired the killing is implausible in the extreme. The fact that the USG will use this killing to political advantage certainly suggests cynical opportunism, but nothing more.

It is equally extremely implausible the killer was ordered or inspired by anyone within the Russian government.

For the sake of completeness, a third set of implausible theories (though here the motive is actually pretty evident) posits that Nemtsov was killed by someone within Russia's "war party" (whose representative or maybe even leader is none other than...Strelkov/Girkin) in order to provoke a harsh Western reaction that would in turn force the Russian government to adopt a harder line toward the West.

Still, in the end one has to keep in mind that the vast majority of "contract killings" in Russia have to do not with politics but with dirty financial dealings and/or the underworld. The alternative Anna Duritskaya angle is not that Nemtsov was shot by a jealous lover, but by Duritskaya's pimp.

There's also http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/02/nemtsov-wire-taps-how-to-organize.html , http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/02/did-putin-destroy-nemtsovs-dream-to.html , http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/02/mikhail-delyagin-former-nemtsovs.html , http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/02/us-ambassador-to-russia-john-tefft.html , and http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/02/did-us-murder-boris-nemstov-imminent.html .
 
Perceval said:
Lumiere is pretty much on the money with everything he has said about Ukraine.
Yeah, right. The NATO Hercules planes are already landing in Khazaria Airport? The Khazarian women have been reading their horoscopes and have realised allegiance to Moscow is their only course? Nuland bought the Maidan for $5 billion? Yanukovich was a fine, upstanding leader any country should be grateful to serve. The Cyborgs were getting their prisoners high on morphine substitutes? Ukraine is preparing a nuclear false flag? Ukraine is still ruled by a 'hunta'. Ukrainians are a subspecies of humans afflicted by genetic Nazism. A Polish battalion was fighting alongside the black troops in Debaltseve? Don't forget the 1/16th Jews in Kiev. Poros's family has fled Ukraine to avoid death threats by Yarosh? Ben Fulford said so. This thread is a hothouse of bizarre theories and wild speculation, unsourced, unreferenced, unchallenged, unacknowledged when wrong. It's low level propaganda for uncritical conspiracy theorists.

I won't list the bloodlust, and the language of hate.

To read this thread, a reader could think only the Ukrainian side


  • • uses cluster munitions
    • Has oligarchs interfering
    • Bombs hospitals
    • Bombs children and pensioners
    • Has grieving mothers
    • Causes terroristic provocations
    • Tortures prisoners
    • Disregards the Geneva Convention
    • Flies drones
    • Breaks the ceasefire
    • Has troops who surrender
    • Has high losses in battle
    • Uses badly trained conscripts
    • Uses barrier troops
    • Has psychopaths
    • Has troops from other countries fighting on its side (!)
    • Uses mercenaries
    • Uses weapons sourced outside Ukraine (!)
    • Recycles outdated weaponry
    • Has citizens who complain, indulge in civil discontent
    • Wages information war
    • Uses tactics of deception
    • Has disaffection in its parliament, disagreements with its elected representatives
    • Has problems with ultra-nationalists (Nazis)
    • Has corruption and venality
    • Etc
    • Etc
    • Etc

How many examples of the above will you find in this thread for the DNR/LHR side, and how many for the Ukrainian side? The answer will be a sequence of zeros in the first column.

It's a constant litany, as at SOTT HQ, where one side only commits odious crime after odious crime. Strange, on the face of it, when you've got human beings fighting on both sides of the lines.

Sure it's 'pretty much' on the money. Roubles. Have you put your invoice in to Moscow yet?
 
Be said:
How many examples of the above will you find in this thread for the DNR/LHR side, and how many for the Ukrainian side? The answer will be a sequence of zeros in the first column.

It's a constant litany, as at SOTT HQ, where one side only commits odious crime after odious crime. Strange, on the face of it, when you've got human beings fighting on both sides of the lines.

That's because in this case, one side vastly outdoes the other in terms of odious crimes. When a serial rapist serially rapes women, it is perfectly appropriate - in fact, morally justified - to focus on the crimes of the aggressor. But hey, both sides are 'human' right? Why all the focus on the serial rapist? I mean, the woman is human, too. Why not pay equal attention to the fact that she scratched his face and tried to kick him in the crotch?

Sure it's 'pretty much' on the money. Roubles. Have you put your invoice in to Moscow yet?

If you're not going to be polite, you are more than free to leave, and take your odious casuistry with you.
:wrongbar:
 
Siberia said:
Just to remind who was Boris Nemtsov: see from 32:00:


This person is responsible for the deaths of thousands of Russian teenagers. A drug promoter, an indirect mass murderer basically.

This guy was a real psycho.
They want number of drug addicts to grow with methadone help

From the point of view of "human rights activists" of the international level, Russia is showing "no respect towards human rights" since the nation does not intend to launch the program of replacement therapy for the treatment of drug addiction with methadone. Let us take a closer look at this drug - methadone - to try to understand what the expected and real consequences of such "rehabilitating therapy" could be, and why anyone would ever want to have this drug legalized in Russia.

Pravda.Ru has reported before that international non-governmental organizations (NGOs), better known in Russia as "human rights organizations" were in unison concerned about the appointment of Yuri Fedotov, a Russian official, as the chairman of the UN Crime and Drugs Office. They believe that Russia can not represent this office of the United Nation because there is "no respect for human rights" in the country. Moreover, they claim that Russia is not willing to work on the solution of the problem of heroine production in Afghanistan and refuses to introduce the "replacement therapy" program with the use of methadone.

As for methadone, the point of the replacement program, as it is stated, is to replace heroine with weaker and cheaper methadone. This drug can be taken orally, without injections, which reduces the risk of catching HIV infection and, supposedly, even favors the gradual social recovery of a drug addict. In addition, the drug is distributed among drug addicts, which supposedly reduces the level of crimes motivated by drug addiction.
It is worthy of note that a number of countries such as Germany, Denmark, England and others have tried the methadone program but subsequently banned it. So what is happening?
It is quite possible that the program was elaborated by big-hearted and noble-minded scientists. I would assume that they simply did not have a notion of the problem of drug addiction per se, that they approached drug addicts as individuals suffering from drug addiction. The scientists probably believed that everyone wanted to be cured of this addiction and one only needed to help them.

This is a matter of complete, albeit intelligent unreality. A drug addict wants to get high, and they will fight for it. Only a few of them can cure themselves of this disease - those, who did not have an intention of developing addiction to drugs, but became drug addicts, let's say, incidentally.
The majority of them proceed, increasing their doses and varying narcotic substances. To put it in a nutshell, they replace weaker drugs with stronger substances that offer a longer effect. It is worthy of note that the inventors of new opiate substances represented them as strong pain-killers with practically no side effects. Heroine was originally invented as a pain-killer too.

Maybe it is enough to walk so many times into the same water? It has been some 300 years already.

The problem of drug addiction can in no way be solved with the help of drugs - what is so difficult about it to understand here?

At first they said that methadone would be distributed only in extreme cases not to let an addict either infect others with AIDS or commit crimes over a dose. If the program is proved successful, it would then be offered for all drug addicts - here's your free dose, friend, take it.

The symptoms produced by the withdrawal of methadone are a lot stronger than those of heroine - they last for weeks, not just days. It is practically impossible to bid farewell to methadone. It simply develops yet another addiction for a drug addict. Methadone does not develop aversion to other narcotic substances: a person continues to take other substances plus methadone.

Andrey Sannikov, a Russian journalist from Ekaterinburg, said: "A drug addict, who tried methadone at least once, will start taking it afterwards permanently. This drug is more expensive today in Ekaterinburg than heroine - from $170 to $300 for one gram. The production process for methadone is very cheap: 2.5 rubles per gram, and the process itself is just as simple as that of acetic acid. It's possible to produce thousands of tons of this drug. The cost of methadone is a very low one taking into consideration the scale of its production."

As for rehabilitation, which a drug addict is supposed to experience - let's think being two steps ahead of it. Let's take a perfect case: a drug addict does not do illegal drugs, does not take even alcohol, but takes a dose of methadone daily. What such a person can expect?

He or she will not be able to find a job which stipulates responsibility. Methadone will continue to cause irreparable damage to person's health, and even an agreeable employer will not be thrilled about frequent sick-leaves of a new employee. Such a person will not be able to live without their rehab and will not be able to go somewhere.

Is this called rehabilitation? This is a form of control over a drug addict, not more than that.
In my opinion, methadone-based therapy: a) does not cure a drug addict, but develops another addiction; b) makes a drug addict practically a hopeless patient; c) gives drug mafia another opportunity for obtaining profit; d) does not reduce standard risks of drug dependence both for a drug addict and for society; e) increases the number of drug addicts ("as long as it's legal, I should try it too").

Why do they want methadone to be introduced in Russia? Why do certain organizations spend millions of dollars to propagate the program? Why does methadone have a lobby on the top level?

I can see two basic reasons.

First and foremost, it's all about the money, as always. "Replacement therapy" programs get wrapped up and require new sales markets. One should pay attention to the fact that all appeals to legalize methadone for "replacement therapy" always stipulate the need to purchase the drug abroad rather than to launch the independent production of the drug.

Secondly, I'd take liberties to suppose that someone wants the number of drug addicts in Russia to grow, which corresponds to the situation in general. The drugs from Afghanistan are trafficked to Russia via Tajikistan - one should bear this fact in mind. Who needs that and what for - this is a completely different story.

_http://english.pravda.ru/history/04-08-2010/114481-drug_addicts-1/
 
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