Comet C/2012 S1 - ISON

Hi 1peacelover,
The trajectory of a comet is not a straight line, it's curved, like planets. Planets around the Sun have elliptic orbits (approximately). A periodic comet has an elliptic orbit (approximately). A non periodic comet has either a parabolic or a hyperbolic orbit if we disregard the perturbations of their path. These three geometries are called conic sections. Hope it helps for further research in this subject :)
 
1peacelover said:
What caused it to curve as it came out of the sun?

For mainstream cosmology the curve is due to the gravitational pull exerted by the Sun on ISON. So because of its momentum ISON tends to follow a straight trajectory and because of the Sun gravity it tends to plunge into the Sun. Those two forces combined led to a close flyby around the Sun.

Now one can wonder why ISON trajectory after its flyby was not the one expected by NASA & co. According to some plasma cosmologists the main driving forces in the cosmos are electric in nature. So if ISON discharged massively during its solar approach, its electric potential raised up and got closer to the Sun potential, therefore the electric pull exerted by the (positive) Sun upon (negative) ISON was reduced, hence a less elongated trajectory (the curve around the Sun was less sharp than expected).

Mainstream science is now claiming that ISON is dead (because it's getting dimmer). For plasma cosmologist brightness is mostly to electric stress, so a dimmer ISON might just mean that it is currently in a region of space exhibiting an electric potential that is similar to the one of the comet. The rock might still be here but just glowing less.

Wouldn't it be ironic to have NASA claiming that ISON is dead, melted away, while it travels its journey as one or several invisible dark bodies (asteroids) and on its way back it encounters Earth's atmosphere à la Tchelyabisnk? :evil:
 
Richard S said:
Pierre's article in SOTT "Why didn't Comet ISON melt in the Sun? How NASA and Official Science got it all wrong (again)" has now appeared at -www.whatreallyhappened.com This is the first time I have seen a Signs article linked from that site. Congratulations Pierre and SOTT! :D

FWIW, there have been several Sott.net articles picked up by Mike Rivero over the years.
 
Belibaste said:
Mainstream science is now claiming that ISON is dead (because it's getting dimmer). For plasma cosmologist brightness is mostly to electric stress, so a dimmer ISON might just mean that it is currently in a region of space exhibiting an electric potential that is similar to the one of the comet. The rock might still be here but just glowing less.

Assuming the electric universe schtick, and if the sun is a source of massive positive charge in the solar capacitor, and if the comet is a negative charge, then it seems to me that the comet would naturally be brighter as it approached the sun.

Then, after it's dance around the star, either it's positively charged and now moving away from the sun and toward more negative space in general, or it's still negative but the positive solar wind is at its back as it moves to more negatively-charged space in the solar system.

In either theoretical case, it seems to me that it would glow less than when approaching the sun... :huh:
 
i have found similar case to ison behaviour. If you put a metalic object into microwave owen it start to shine. It was ison shining everytime CME(microwave) hit it.
 
Belibaste said:
1peacelover said:
What caused it to curve as it came out of the sun?

For mainstream cosmology the curve is due to the gravitational pull exerted by the Sun on ISON. So because of its momentum ISON tends to follow a straight trajectory and because of the Sun gravity it tends to plunge into the Sun. Those two forces combined led to a close flyby around the Sun.

Now one can wonder why ISON trajectory after its flyby was not the one expected by NASA & co. According to some plasma cosmologists the main driving forces in the cosmos are electric in nature. So if ISON discharged massively during its solar approach, its electric potential raised up and got closer to the Sun potential, therefore the electric pull exerted by the (positive) Sun upon (negative) ISON was reduced, hence a less elongated trajectory (the curve around the Sun was less sharp than expected).

Mainstream science is now claiming that ISON is dead (because it's getting dimmer). For plasma cosmologist brightness is mostly to electric stress, so a dimmer ISON might just mean that it is currently in a region of space exhibiting an electric potential that is similar to the one of the comet. The rock might still be here but just glowing less.

Wouldn't it be ironic to have NASA claiming that ISON is dead, melted away, while it travels its journey as one or several invisible dark bodies (asteroids) and on its way back it encounters Earth's atmosphere à la Tchelyabisnk? :evil:
I was wondering if this might be a possibility rather than it just being dead as they continue to adamantly claim, or that it may 'miraculously' reappear as the days go by... rising from the dead??? :cool2:
 
sbeaudry said:
Belibaste said:
1peacelover said:
What caused it to curve as it came out of the sun?

For mainstream cosmology the curve is due to the gravitational pull exerted by the Sun on ISON. So because of its momentum ISON tends to follow a straight trajectory and because of the Sun gravity it tends to plunge into the Sun. Those two forces combined led to a close flyby around the Sun.

Now one can wonder why ISON trajectory after its flyby was not the one expected by NASA & co. According to some plasma cosmologists the main driving forces in the cosmos are electric in nature. So if ISON discharged massively during its solar approach, its electric potential raised up and got closer to the Sun potential, therefore the electric pull exerted by the (positive) Sun upon (negative) ISON was reduced, hence a less elongated trajectory (the curve around the Sun was less sharp than expected).

Mainstream science is now claiming that ISON is dead (because it's getting dimmer). For plasma cosmologist brightness is mostly to electric stress, so a dimmer ISON might just mean that it is currently in a region of space exhibiting an electric potential that is similar to the one of the comet. The rock might still be here but just glowing less.

Wouldn't it be ironic to have NASA claiming that ISON is dead, melted away, while it travels its journey as one or several invisible dark bodies (asteroids) and on its way back it encounters Earth's atmosphere à la Tchelyabisnk? :evil:
I was wondering if this might be a possibility rather than it just being dead as they continue to adamantly claim, or that it may 'miraculously' reappear as the days go by... rising from the dead??? :cool2:

I would not be surprised if in a few days a solar flare hits ISON triggering an increase in brightness. At this point the mainstream medias won't make the link between the flare and the increase in brightness (like during ISON's journey towards the Sun) and they will start spreading headlines like "ISON suddenly brighten", "ISON finally not dead", "ISON, unexplained brightening"
 
Belibaste said:
sbeaudry said:
Belibaste said:
1peacelover said:
What caused it to curve as it came out of the sun?

For mainstream cosmology the curve is due to the gravitational pull exerted by the Sun on ISON. So because of its momentum ISON tends to follow a straight trajectory and because of the Sun gravity it tends to plunge into the Sun. Those two forces combined led to a close flyby around the Sun.

Now one can wonder why ISON trajectory after its flyby was not the one expected by NASA & co. According to some plasma cosmologists the main driving forces in the cosmos are electric in nature. So if ISON discharged massively during its solar approach, its electric potential raised up and got closer to the Sun potential, therefore the electric pull exerted by the (positive) Sun upon (negative) ISON was reduced, hence a less elongated trajectory (the curve around the Sun was less sharp than expected).

Mainstream science is now claiming that ISON is dead (because it's getting dimmer). For plasma cosmologist brightness is mostly to electric stress, so a dimmer ISON might just mean that it is currently in a region of space exhibiting an electric potential that is similar to the one of the comet. The rock might still be here but just glowing less.

Wouldn't it be ironic to have NASA claiming that ISON is dead, melted away, while it travels its journey as one or several invisible dark bodies (asteroids) and on its way back it encounters Earth's atmosphere à la Tchelyabisnk? :evil:
I was wondering if this might be a possibility rather than it just being dead as they continue to adamantly claim, or that it may 'miraculously' reappear as the days go by... rising from the dead??? :cool2:

I would not be surprised if in a few days a solar flare hits ISON triggering an increase in brightness. At this point the mainstream medias won't make the link between the flare and the increase in brightness (like during ISON's journey towards the Sun) and they will start spreading headlines like "ISON suddenly brighten", "ISON finally not dead", "ISON, unexplained brightening"

Or,

'Zombie ISON back from the dead after picking up more space snow: NASA'
 
Kniall said:
Belibaste said:
sbeaudry said:
Belibaste said:
1peacelover said:
What caused it to curve as it came out of the sun?

For mainstream cosmology the curve is due to the gravitational pull exerted by the Sun on ISON. So because of its momentum ISON tends to follow a straight trajectory and because of the Sun gravity it tends to plunge into the Sun. Those two forces combined led to a close flyby around the Sun.

Now one can wonder why ISON trajectory after its flyby was not the one expected by NASA & co. According to some plasma cosmologists the main driving forces in the cosmos are electric in nature. So if ISON discharged massively during its solar approach, its electric potential raised up and got closer to the Sun potential, therefore the electric pull exerted by the (positive) Sun upon (negative) ISON was reduced, hence a less elongated trajectory (the curve around the Sun was less sharp than expected).

Mainstream science is now claiming that ISON is dead (because it's getting dimmer). For plasma cosmologist brightness is mostly to electric stress, so a dimmer ISON might just mean that it is currently in a region of space exhibiting an electric potential that is similar to the one of the comet. The rock might still be here but just glowing less.

Wouldn't it be ironic to have NASA claiming that ISON is dead, melted away, while it travels its journey as one or several invisible dark bodies (asteroids) and on its way back it encounters Earth's atmosphere à la Tchelyabisnk? :evil:
I was wondering if this might be a possibility rather than it just being dead as they continue to adamantly claim, or that it may 'miraculously' reappear as the days go by... rising from the dead??? :cool2:

I would not be surprised if in a few days a solar flare hits ISON triggering an increase in brightness. At this point the mainstream medias won't make the link between the flare and the increase in brightness (like during ISON's journey towards the Sun) and they will start spreading headlines like "ISON suddenly brighten", "ISON finally not dead", "ISON, unexplained brightening"

Or,

'Zombie ISON back from the dead after picking up more space snow: NASA'

''More space snow"? Are they really serious about this?

God...
 
JayMark said:
Kniall said:
Belibaste said:
sbeaudry said:
Belibaste said:
Wouldn't it be ironic to have NASA claiming that ISON is dead, melted away, while it travels its journey as one or several invisible dark bodies (asteroids) and on its way back it encounters Earth's atmosphere à la Tchelyabisnk? :evil:
I was wondering if this might be a possibility rather than it just being dead as they continue to adamantly claim, or that it may 'miraculously' reappear as the days go by... rising from the dead??? :cool2:

I would not be surprised if in a few days a solar flare hits ISON triggering an increase in brightness. At this point the mainstream medias won't make the link between the flare and the increase in brightness (like during ISON's journey towards the Sun) and they will start spreading headlines like "ISON suddenly brighten", "ISON finally not dead", "ISON, unexplained brightening"

Or,

'Zombie ISON back from the dead after picking up more space snow: NASA'

''More space snow"? Are they really serious about this?

God...

I wouldn't be surprised if they came up with 'space snow'..all the BS they've been coming up with in every field for the longest time to distort the truth/mask reality...(last one I heard of was the 'Double-Shift Stress Syndrome').
It is that ridiculous. Space snow would truly be the icing on the cake. :lol:
 
Mr. Scott said:
Assuming the electric universe schtick, and if the sun is a source of massive positive charge in the solar capacitor, and if the comet is a negative charge, then it seems to me that the comet would naturally be brighter as it approached the sun.

Then, after it's dance around the star, either it's positively charged and now moving away from the sun and toward more negative space in general, or it's still negative but the positive solar wind is at its back as it moves to more negatively-charged space in the solar system.

In either theoretical case, it seems to me that it would glow less than when approaching the sun... :huh:

As I understand it, the brightness of the comet depends on the electrical current flowing from it, which in turn depends on the rate of change of the electric field the comet is going through.

Assume that the equipotential lines of the electric field produced by the sun is circular. When the comet was at a distance from the sun, it was going perpendicular to the equipotential lines. As it got closer, its velocity increased and the electric field got stronger. Therefore, it got brighter.

However, when it got very close to the sun, the gravity pull made it fly at smaller and smaller angle to the equipotential lines. At the nearest point, it must have flown almost parallel to the them. The rate of change of electric potential was thus very small and the comet was very dim. The process should now play in reverse as the comet flies away from the sun.
 
New Thunderbolts Project video released today. 8:27 min long.

Titled, "Comet ISON Mysteries Continue | Space News"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE-alofm3j8
 
Comet ISON Meteor Shower

April 19, 2013: Anticipation is building as Comet ISON plunges into the inner solar system for a close encounter with the sun in November 2013. Blasted at point-blank range by solar radiation, the sungrazer will likely become one of the finest comets in many years.

When NASA's Swift spacecraft observed the comet in January 2013, it was still near the orbit of Jupiter, but already very active. More than 112,000 pounds of dust were spewing from the comet's nucleus every minute.

It turns out, some of that dust might end up on Earth.

Veteran meteor researcher Paul Wiegert of the University of Western Ontario has been using a computer to model the trajectory of dust ejected by Comet ISON, and his findings suggest that an unusual meteor shower could be in the offing.

"For several days around January 12, 2014, Earth will pass through a stream of fine-grained debris from Comet ISON," says Wiegert. "The resulting shower could have some interesting properties.

According to Wiegert's computer models, the debris stream is populated with extremely tiny grains of dust, no more than a few microns wide, pushed toward Earth by the gentle radiation pressure of the sun. They will be hitting at a speed of 56 km/s or 125,000 mph. Because the particles are so small, Earth’s upper atmosphere will rapidly slow them to a stop.

"Instead of burning up in a flash of light, they will drift gently down to the Earth below," he says.

Don’t expect to notice. The invisible rain of comet dust, if it occurs, would be very slow. It can take months or even years for fine dust to settle out of the high atmosphere.

While the dust is “up there,” it could produce noctilucent clouds (NLCs).

NLCs are icy clouds that glow electric-blue as they float more than 80 km above Earth's poles. Recent data from NASA's AIM spacecraft suggests that NLCs are seeded by space dust. Tiny meteoroids act as nucleating points where water molecules gather; the resulting ice crystals assemble into clouds at the edge of space itself.

This is still speculative, but Comet ISON could provide the seeds for a noctilucent display. Electric-blue ripples over Earth's polar regions might be the only visible sign that a shower is underway.

Wiegert notes another curiosity: "The shower is going to hit our planet from two directions at once."

When Earth passes through the debris stream, we will encounter two populations of comet dust. One swarm of dust will be following the Comet ISON into the sun. Another swarm will be moving in the opposite direction, pushed away from the sun by solar radiation pressure. The streams will pepper opposite sides of Earth simultaneously.

"In my experience, this kind of double whammy is unprecedented," says Wiegert.

Bill Cooke, lead scientist at NASA's Meteoroid Environment Office, says there's little danger to Earth-orbiting spacecraft. "These particles are just too small to penetrate the walls of our satellites, and they don't stand a chance against the heavy shielding of the ISS." However, he adds, mission operators will be alert around January 12th for possible anomalies.

Sky watchers should probably be alert, too. The odds of seeing anything are low, but Comet ISON could prove full of surprises.

Source: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2013/19apr_isonids/
 
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