Conditions for Connection

[de-tached]

I was going to post this question in the video section, but there was no "reply" button.

In order for the board to accurately convey the transmission, does someone at the board who is interacting need to keep their eyes open or will it work through those participating WITHOUT visual recognition? Does it depend on strength of connection? Does different lighting have different effects?

I read in the sessions that music can have a strong effect on the connection, and so does board orientation. What other external influences (beyond personal bias) have an influence? Certain metallic jewelry? Constrictive clothing? Temperature?

Just brainstorming... Thanks! :)

 

[henry]

Have you watched the Knowledge and Being video that was just released? Some of your answers are found there.

http://cassiopaea.org/knowledge_and_being/

You'll also find much useful information about using the board in the thread:

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=8860.0

 

[de-tached]

Thanks. Some of the questions were answered. Any help on answering the rest? Namely, does someone NEED to be looking at the board in order for it to work accurately?

 

[henry]

Well, I would think someone needs to look at the board to see what letters are being selected. :)

Are you thinking of using a board yourself?

 

[de-tached]

LOL.. okay but OUTSIDE THE OBVIOUS solutions to seeing what is being selected on the board, a video camera could be used to film the session from above. One might suggest an "impartial 3rd person", but I know external influences could alter with the connection in an unprogressive manner.

And yes, I am thinking about using a board. I've been using tarot and exploring altered states of consciousness for years and am quite comfortable opening those channels... Hence, why I'm inquiring. :)

I've been keeping up on the video material and the reading material, but for the sake of a "scientific" approach, I feel the need to ask in order to discern whether connecting to one's higher self via the board necessitates a visual relationship. If so, could there be subconscious wishful projection, programming, or spirit attachment interfering and thus becoming interpreted as "my higher self 'guiding my hand' " toward the visual cues?

I know Laura has said that she hear the answers in her head before it comes through the board, which I understand as being part of a channel, but this is just a question I'd like answered for the sake of "objectivity" in prior consideration. Thank you. :)

 

[mkrnhr]

Hello de-tached,

And yes, I am thinking about using a board.

Now? If so, why are you so impatient? You could at least wait for a while, if you choose so, until the end of the lessons (the videos) to decide whether it is for you and how to do it.

I've been using tarot and exploring altered states of consciousness for years and am quite comfortable opening those channels...

IMHO, and I'm just a pupil, this is not necessarily a qualification, and again it is safer to wait for the end of the lesson to be know if so.

If you take a plane on the first lesson day before to learn how to take on, well... you're a little in trouble :) patience pays.

 

[henry]

I'm not sure what you mean by a 'visual relationship', but if you have read the material in The Wave, then you will be aware that Laura calls her work 'critical channelling'. There is no trance state. A trance state opens the doors to unwelcome visitors, so to speak. You are giving up control of your mind to something else. :O

A video camera wouldn't work because then you would have to play back the video to see the answers. It would make it difficult to have a dialogue.

The idea is to stay as lucid and critical as possible about what is happening during the work at the board. Laura talks about eating cookies and drinking coffee. It was like a party. Of course, that was before all the detox and diet issues came up! ;D

If you saw the Knowledge and Being video, then you will also remember that Laura points out you have to have spent time attempting to find the answers for your questions on your own. You have to have exhausted the resources at your disposal before getting clear answers from your higher self.

As for Laura hearing the answers in her head, I suspect that this only started after years of grooving the channel. She now says she 'channels' while she writes and while she was doing the Knowledge and Being video. But that is only after years of hard and intense work. At least that is how I understand it.

 

[de-tached]

Lots to reply to! Thank you for taking time to write back. I appreciate it.

And yes, I am thinking about using a board.

Now? If so, why are you so impatient? You could at least wait for a while, if you choose so, until the end of the lessons (the videos) to decide whether it is for you and how to do it.

I wouldn't consider my inquiry to be "impatient". Isn't one of the reasons for engaging in "The Work" to accelerate the evolution of consciousness? If my question is going to be directly addressed in a video, then why not just put it on here in shorthand, straightforward. Because, while I could subjectively extrapolate my own interpretations, it's advised to consult the forum if it's not in he written material. So, here I am.

I've been using tarot and exploring altered states of consciousness for years and am quite comfortable opening those channels...

IMHO, and I'm just a pupil, this is not necessarily a qualification, and again it is safer to wait for the end of the lesson to be know if so.

I never said I'm qualified. I said I was "thinking" and "inquiring" about it. If you detected that I was somehow insinuating that I thought I was qualified by "thinking about" or "inquiring", I apologize for not making myself clearer. If I thought I was fully qualified to work the board, I wouldn't be asking so many questions.

Although, in reply to "patience pays", I am typically patient, except SOMETIMES when it comes to a full bladder and gaining knowledge. I have a zealous enthusiasm for learning, for better or worse.

I'm not sure what you mean by a 'visual relationship', but if you have read the material in The Wave, then you will be aware that Laura calls her work 'critical channelling'. There is no trance state. A trance state opens the doors to unwelcome visitors, so to speak. You are giving up control of your mind to something else. :O

Are you saying that by closing one's eyes, they are more susceptible to entering into a trance state and therefor being manipulated? If such is the case, then conversely, if one can only accurately channel with their eyes open, how can one discern whether or not what is being conveyed is subconscious wishful projection or programming interfering and thus becoming interpreted as "my higher self 'guiding my hand' " toward the visual cues?

A video camera wouldn't work because then you would have to play back the video to see the answers. It would make it difficult to have a dialogue.

What if, for the sake of experiment, it's just a series of questions to test the accuracy with eyes closed briefly (not entering a trance) instead of having a conversation?

What if just the vector closes their eyes, and the transducer(s) keeps theirs open, would it work as accurately?

Has this been tried? If so, what was the result? If not, why?

 

[henry]

Are you saying that by closing one's eyes, they are more susceptible to entering into a trance state and therefor being manipulated? If such is the case, then conversely, if one can only accurately channel with their eyes open, how can one discern whether or not what is being conveyed is subconscious wishful projection or programming interfering and thus becoming interpreted as "my higher self 'guiding my hand' " toward the visual cues?

Let me ask you how you think one can one discern it if your eyes are closed? What difference does it make? Do you think that with your eyes closed, you are somehow less open to negative influences? How does one discern, period?

I am having trouble following your line of reasoning.

Eyes open, eyes closed, how long would you test for? One second? Five seconds? Thirty? One minute?

Many of the answers to your questions will have to be tested by days, weeks, months, or years of research. They are seeds for further study. It is only with time that we can see what is noise and what isn't, what might be 'subconscious wishful projection or programming' and what might have the germ of truth.

It seems to me that you are missing the point. A 'zealous enthusiasm' should be, I think, tempered by caution. Working with the board is not a game. It is very different from reading tarot -- from what I have seen of the tarot. Everyone at the spirit board must be as clean from psychic toxins and emotional triggers as possible. That does not come overnight.

Focusing on the aspects you raise seems to me to be missing the forest for the trees. Have you read The Wave?

I wouldn't consider my inquiry to be "impatient". Isn't one of the reasons for engaging in "The Work" to accelerate the evolution of consciousness?

Well, there is much Work to be done before even sitting down at the board. Are you willing to consider that if other members of the forum find a certain impatience in your messages, that maybe it is there?

You have only posted a few messages here. I would invite you to post a message in the newbies section and introduce yourself. You wrote something about yourself in the post where you posted some of your art. But maybe you could tell us a bit more about yourself so we could better understand where you are coming from.

If my question is going to be directly addressed in a video, then why not just put it on here in shorthand, straightforward. Because, while I could subjectively extrapolate my own interpretations, it's advised to consult the forum if it's not in he written material. So, here I am.

The question has been addressed in the video. Not your particular questions, which appear to me to miss the point, but the fundamental question of why and when someone might consider using the board.

What questions would you like to pose? Have you done everything you can to find out the answers already? How about bringing those questions here?

Are you interested in answering specific questions, or are you really interested in the 'experience'?

 

[knowledge_of_self]

Hello de-tached,

Fwiw, I also found your post to be a bit impatient.
You state:

I wouldn't consider my inquiry to be "impatient". Isn't one of the reasons for engaging in "The Work" to accelerate the evolution of consciousness? If my question is going to be directly addressed in a video, then why not just put it on here in shorthand, straightforward. Because, while I could subjectively extrapolate my own interpretations, it's advised to consult the forum if it's not in he written material. So, here I am.

Why wait? Because all of the ‘class’ is waiting. Your line of thinking tends to lean towards taking shortcuts, which often don’t require learning to your full potential.

Furthermore, I have never done tarot reading myself but I’ve had them done for me. And I think reading tarot cards are WAY different than channeling with a spirit board, and I see that Galahad agrees.

Although, in reply to "patience pays", I am typically patient, except SOMETIMES when it comes to a full bladder and gaining knowledge. I have a zealous enthusiasm for learning, for better or worse.

I’m one of those people that are very fond of cliché quotes, and in your case I think the one that fits is “curiosity killed the cat”. Why don’t you slow down a bit and ask yourself what questions you wish to ask this “higher-self” of yours, and try and see if maybe the answers can be found through reading the available material.

I understand that you’re maybe trying to look at it as a scientific experiment, but understand that every scientist risks an explosion or two if they combine chemicals that aren’t meant to be. It can be the very same with this experiment, there are risks. You should weigh your options carefully before going forward. And please understand that no one here is telling you NOT to use a spirit board, but press on with caution as you would if you were to tread in a jungle. The spirit world is not a joke, and it’s unfamiliar territory to us all.

 

[de-tached]

It seems since I'm new that perhaps I haven't yet learned to converse in a manner befitting with the common phrasing on this forum. Thanks for being patient.

One CAN'T discern what is being conveyed on the board with their eyes closed or looking away, because the can't see it. And that's that's the point of my question! When one can't SEE the board, they can't discern or, alternatively, misconstrue, wishfully project, or "guide" the information coming through by visually guiding it. Thus they'll be able to see what is purely generated by the "spirit guides" and not the bias of their perception.

As for length of time, 'Duration' is just a variable to be explored should there be a discrepancy in consistency in accuracy of information or planchette placement.

And I realize it would take time; all good, thorough scientific testing does. And I would expect nothing less from the Cassiopaean Experiment.

My enthusiasm IS curbed by caution and patience, hence the asking questions in the first place. If other members sense a certain impatience in my messages, of course I recognize it because I admitted that I can be in my search for knowledge! But in this instance it's not an "impatience" as a "shortcut to the work", but just a constant reformulation and clarification of the same little hypothetical question which has only to do with the legitimacy and accuracy of the board's communication depending on the participants visual engagement. But I can't find a solid answer backed by evidence anywhere! I figured I'd ask here, because this forum seems to be the most thorough, but nobody seems to have an answer. I've not taken a shortcut in searching for answers to this question either; I've researched the issue, as I've discussed below.

I know there's work and discernment to be done before approaching the board... hence why I'm seeking this answer which isn't mentioned in the material, which could possibly have an impact on the clarity of connection. And if it DOES, then I'd like to know why the channel "prefers" the participants to SEE The board, instead of just guiding the planchette without the necessity of visual confirmation.

I never thought it was "a game". Perhaps it's the establishing a commonality of conversation, but I feel your subjective observations do not accurately represent my disposition.

I understand that the object of the board "is NOT to "channel" other entities. The object is to use the method as a self-development tool so that, if possible, one can communicate directly with one's OWN higher mind. That's a long, drawn out process. It won't happen in a week-end, probably not even in a year of regular sitting. In the meantime, one will learn a lot about the self, run through many thought loops, deal with all kinds of detached and attached entities, etc. It is a purification process. You must assume that, for a long time, the ONLY thing you will get is nonsense, lies, gibberish, cling-ons, parasites, etc. That's natural. They are there anyway, you just don't know about them. Part of the process is to cleanse yourself and your environment of such and that is a technique that can be easily learned if you are attentive and work on your BS meter. Remember, nearly everything you communicate with for a LOOOONG time will do nothing but lie. That's the truth."

I understand. I'm simply inquiring, again, as to whether watching the board will give a different answer than if one does NOT look at the board. And if so, why? Is that perhaps clearer? I hope so. :)

And I received the comment and promptly posted a thorough introduction about myself in the newbies section. Thanks for the consideration.

What questions would you like to pose? Have you done everything you can to find out the answers already? How about bringing those questions here?

Are you interested in answering specific questions, or are you really interested in the 'experience'?

I think I've illustrated those questions repeatedly in a plethora of angles to express the concept of my inquiry clearly.

As for seeking answers prior to this forum and searching Laura's books online, yes I have, but I've only found suggestions, poorly developed subjects, and conjecture with no conclusive research or insight; for example, a snippet on ZetaTalk:

"The success attributed to the Ouija Board methods, however, are due only to the humans whose hands direct the answers. The Ouija Board is credited with spelling out known names and likely dates, when in truth this is entirely within the control of the humans with their hands on the pointer, eyes closed or not. It takes but a moment to mentally record the pattern of letters and numbers, and the distance between them. Even blindfolded, the human hand can trace what the mind remembers, and sense the tension in the air when this or that target is close. "​

I don't know if I give credit to this assumption as there is no case study to back it up. People CAN remember where things are on the board, but to bounce back and forth in order to respond to a random question between letters ACCURATELY with consistency seems quite unlikely, unless that person has memorized the board PERFECTLY... If so, then the bias of the subject would be questionable as to whether or not it's an applicably fair subject with which to test the hypothesis, due to their preconceived memorization.

As for "sensing the tension in the air" when it's not close... again... conjecture.

So, yes. I am "bringing these questions here". If you can suggest a better place on the forum to pose the question, I'm all ears.

And yes, I'm interested in answering specific questions, namely this one... and not "the experience"... If I were primarily interested in "the experience", I would forgo the absurdly intensive inquisition to answer a simple little question.

But, alas, most questions require an intensive inquisition to get a scrap of truth. So I'm patient if you are. :)

It's a simple question. If nobody's tried it here, that's fine. I don't expect anyone to have all questions ironed out. I'm just posing it for consideration.

 

[knowledge_of_self]

And yes, I'm interested in answering specific questions, namely this one... and not "the experience"... If I were primarily interested in "the experience", I would forgo the absurdly intensive inquisition to answer a simple little question.
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it's a simple question. If nobody's tried it here, that's fine. I don't expect anyone to have all questions ironed out. I'm just posing it for consideration.

Maybe it is just me… but I sense a bit of hostility in the statement above. As for me, I fail to see the relevance in the interest in such a fact as whether the channelers eyes, or the participants at the session are open or not. Basically I really fail to see the logic in your question.

Also, unless I’m mistaken, Galahad answered your question by stating

Many of the answers to your questions will have to be tested by days, weeks, months, or years of research. They are seeds for further study. It is only with time that we can see what is noise and what isn't, what might be 'subconscious wishful projection or programming' and what might have the germ of truth.

So from reading the above, it seems your question isn’t as simple as you think it to be imo. Because as you said in a previous post it’s OBVIOUS that someone’s eyes got to be open.. so again I fail to see the point.. but it is late here, so it may just mean my reading instrument is off and I need some good rest.

Also, I wouldn't take anything that comes from Zetatalk of any value, they are affiliates of GLP and have been discussed a lot on this forum. For example, read Nancy Lieder (of ZetaTalk fame) is back

 

[Beorn]

Hi de-tached,
I think your specific question was answered here:

[quote author=Galahad]Let me ask you how you think one can one discern it if your eyes are closed? What difference does it make? Do you think that with your eyes closed, you are somehow less open to negative influences? How does one discern, period?[/quote]

You are asking about mechanics and are getting replies that challenge your own perspective. I was once very interested in using a board. I may still be if the circumstances are right. But the way I look at it, the fastest way to clean myself and hence allow for a connection to my higher self is through the breathing program and networking. I don't just want data (letters on a board), I want to change my Being and increase my capacity to understand.


[quote author=de-tached]In order for the board to accurately convey the transmission, does someone at the board who is interacting need to keep their eyes open or will it work through those participating WITHOUT visual recognition? Does it depend on strength of connection? Does different lighting have different effects?[/quote]

As for the mechanics of using the board, I remember someone who tried to use the board with their eyes closed and had no response. I think it was Jane and Robert in the Seth Material, but I'm not 100%. The idea being that the source used the visual data of the channelers. Would this be the same for all sources? I doubt it. So it may depend on the source, but how do you discern who you are speaking to?

Also, who is to say that on some level you aren't still aware of what is being spelled out, even with your eyes closed. I don't think there are shortcuts to making an undistorted connection without having a clean machine.

 

[webglider]

I have the impression that the instruction is developmental - that is that each lesson builds on the other so that there are no skipped steps.

Yes, it's possible to skip around, but I don't believe that it would be the most effective, not to mention the safest, way of learning this material.

In the video, Laura repeats the dangers that can ensue if one does not adequately protect oneself - of turning into a "...crunchy ketchup covered treat...."

For this reason, Laura has for years has discouraged people from channeling.

That she is now making videos for the purpose of teaching what she had previously warned against is an indicator one, of how serious the present world situation has become, and two, that she may not be able at some point to retain contact with those of us on the forum. In other words, one day, perhaps soon, the "lighthouse" may not be here anymore.

If there is a problem at this point, we're on our own, so it behooves us to learn to do things right.

If there is such urgency to disseminate this information, then there must be an equal urgency on the part of those of STS orientation and their handlers to block it, distort it, pervert it to throw the seeker off course, or in the worse case scenario, seriously unbalance him/her mentally and spiritually.

Reading and experiencing the effects other forumites and I have had as a result of the breathing program has instilled in me a profound respect for the work we are doing.

You would not go mountain climbing without a rope, and you wouldn't expect to learn how to use a rope correctly and thoroughly on the first day it's put in your hands.

This work is an exercise in patience - and trust - as much as in learning to use the board. Trust that the people who have gone before you know what they're doing.

 

[de-tached]

I think we have gotten somewhere! WOO!
Please don't mistake my frustration with "hostility". I'm rarely hostile. Confrontational when needed, but I'm typically very peaceful and remember myself regularly.

As for not understanding why I'm asking, if one cannot derive the purpose from all the times I've rephrased the question, then it's okay. I can't think of a clearer way to put it than the numerous times I have, so either those who can't understand are just not meant to answer my question or, as i said before, "perhaps I haven't yet learned to converse in a manner befitting with the common phrasing on this forum" which causes a disconnect of understanding.

For the record, I understand the irremovable importance of doing the work, reading the material, and having "a clean machine". I'm not asking for me, this is purely hypothetical. Scientifically speaking, it is axiomatically assumed that in order to have a well-developed comparison for testing this variable:
a.) those involved already HAD to have a thorough understanding of the material personally & between themselves in order to have...
b.) an established, familiar, clean, working connection by which to compare the lack of seeing the board vs. seeing the board.

There's no difference using subjects with whom the board is slow, vague, deceptive and futile, is there? That makes no sense for comparison. Hence why I was fishing for insight here; it's the best example, I'm aware of, that has an efficient, clear functioning of the board.

I apologize if I was incorrect in presuming everyone else figured this was assumed to, but, to me, it seems self-evident.

As for the mechanics of using the board, I remember someone who tried to use the board with their eyes closed and had no response. I think it was Jane and Robert in the Seth Material, but I'm not 100%. The idea being that the source used the visual data of the channelers. Would this be the same for all sources? I doubt it. So it may depend on the source, but how do you discern who you are speaking to?

THANK YOU for a clear concise answer, JP! It may not be straight from the Cassiopaean Experiment, but it's a great observation and an interesting case study I'll be looking in to.

PS: I could tell ZetaTalk isn't a reputable source for "objective" information. I could smell that even just by reading the Ouija page.. full of assumptions, conjecture, and disinformation. Thanks for the heads up and THANK YOU ALL for helping! I deeply appreciate it.