Conditions for Connection

[knowledge_of_self]

Yes, clerck de bonk, I'll not be so "demanding" with my word choices so as to make mutual understanding more accessible, except where I cannot help but elaborate in more complex or demanding terms; such as when referencing things like altered states of consciousness, where simpler explanations cannot suffice to convey the subject in full, accurate essence as I understand them.

Hmm if what you mean by "altered states of consciousness" you mean the same as what you tried to elaborate on in your introduction i.e. 5 dried grams, I believe you have been told not to talk or elaborate on the subject. Or am I not understanding you correctly here?

Just to sum it up for you, you need to try and speak in simpler ways so that you can be externally considerate towards people who can't speak English as well as you. You do know what external consideration is right? well if not, you don't have to read the wave to know it...

In 4th Way parlance, this is the practice of taking others into account when acting. External considering involves making a realistic evaluation of another's situation and acting in ways which take this into account in a positive sense.

If I don't address all the questions or replies directly, it's because I don't feel the immediate necessity to debate their accuracy or elaborate on their impliations while I still have yet to finish the suggested readings.

I don't know why, but every time you state you need to finish the suggested reading so you can respond to something. It is as if you're just looking for a way to prove people wrong here about yourself by reading those books/reading material. I hope this is not the case, for there is invaluable information in the suggested reading that is only attained if you keep an open mind. Ask yourself why you're so hesitant to admit that there may really be a problem with you when it comes to communication.

 

[Iron]

Seeming his posts, some of the phrases are very similar with some fruits of baked noodles.
Not everything, but some of the phrases.

Perhaps this is fruit of some thought process that all humans may be victims of?
The beggining of being via narcissisistic wound maybe? Like "now ,To preserve my ego and for this (insert event) never happen again and to show everyone that I AM, I shall (insert behavior)"

Sorry if this sidetracks too much the discussion. If this is not the appropriate place please, do move the post.

On another note, is it possible that many people offering mirrors at the same time increases the chances of activating defensive buffers?
And if is that so, is it a good thing for the development of both parties involved in the multiple mirroring?

And to finish, Helle, from where did you took that quote on primal defense mechanisms?

 

[Laura]

Let's let De-tached settle in and do some reading ... he'll be okay.

De-tached, just come on down to Earth with the rest of us and be natural and don't take yourself too seriously. You'll be fine.

 

[Helle]

And to finish, Helle, from where did you took that quote on primal defense mechanisms?

Some random Psyk. site, I didn't save it, so can't remember which I'm afraid.

If you feel I'm failing to learn a great lesson, then please reserve judgment and disappointment until I come back after completing the reading, when all this has had time to gel.

I'd like to apoligize to you de-tached. Your posts caught me in a very edgy mood. I suffer from severe grumpy-ness, with some emotional stuff coming up to the surface because of the EE I guess
My mood is really clouding my good manners, sorry . ( I still believe what I wrote, I just could have expressed it less grumpy )

 

[de-tached]

I'd like to apoligize to you de-tached. Your posts caught me in a very edgy mood. I suffer from severe grumpy-ness, with some emotional stuff coming up to the surface because of the EE I guess
My mood is really clouding my good manners, sorry . ( I still believe what I wrote, I just could have expressed it less grumpy )

I appreciate it, and I'm glad you've been able to observe yourself in this as well because nobody need apologize just for my sake. I don't take personal offense, as I de-tach to approach things as objectively as possible.

I suffer from over-intellectualization, so my emotional center is spared (and left cold at times) under the umbrella of my overactive mind. I'm working more at balancing the two, as well. :) It feels good to let down the heaviness of intellectual armor sometimes and just let oneself be a feeling, vulnerable human.

Yes, clerck de bonk, I'll not be so "demanding" with my word choices so as to make mutual understanding more accessible, except where I cannot help but elaborate in more complex or demanding terms; such as when referencing things like altered states of consciousness, where simpler explanations cannot suffice to convey the subject in full, accurate essence as I understand them.

Hmm if what you mean by "altered states of consciousness" you mean the same as what you tried to elaborate on in your introduction i.e. 5 dried grams, I believe you have been told not to talk or elaborate on the subject. Or am I not understanding you correctly here?

Yes, it's been stated to not insinuate that which cannot be elaborated upon here. Good rule.

And with reference to "altered states of consciousness", I'll elaborate on my definition behind the phrase.

It's larger than the "drug" context and expands into states of mind/ being encountered during such things as meditation, yoga, energy work, sensory deprivation, artistic expression, tantra, extreme physical exertion, or anything else that provides moments of spectacular revelation where the boundaries of time, space, logistical categorization, cultural programming, and linguistic limitation are dissolved; where the illusions of separation and boundaries that define our reality melt away in to a broader all-encompassing view that allows one to assimilate supposed paradox... Such as the unification that death brings life and life brings death, humility and self-confidence, conflict and peace, receptivity and resistance to influence, to possess nothing and to have everything, lightening speed and circumspection, caution and courage, freedom and loyalty, indifference and love... But in these moments of "altered consciousness" this becomes a FELT presence, not an intellectual construct of academically reinforced understanding (which is also imperatively needed to convey and remember these insights as one integrates back in to the social space).

I'll soon enough be completing the academically reinforced understanding which is the prerequisite here to have a commonality of communication.

And thank you for the encouragement Laura.

Thank you everyone.

 

[Mountain Crown]

Hi, de-tached,

I would like also to apologize, my previous joke was out of place.

All the best to you as we network together.

 

[mamadrama]

Hi, de-tached, and a belated welcome to the forum. This is definitely a place for people who think with a hammer and exercise external consideration toward others.

De-tached, just come on down to Earth with the rest of us and be natural and don't take yourself too seriously.

Not to belabor this point but just to give you something to keep in mind when communicating your ideas; do you think you could rephrase this statement to make it more accessible to other readers without using excess verbiage?

I'll soon enough be completing the academically reinforced understanding which is the prerequisite here to have a commonality of communication.