Conditions for Connection

[moonwalker]

What a bizzare thread I particuarly liked:

"And actually, I run into the conundrum of unquestioned distorted linguistics ALL the time..." :D

I know I shouldn't be laughing, it's just from time to time I've found myself writing as De-tached does. The difference being if pointed out to me I would make an effort to correct it (I hope), I think De-tached sees any critique of his writing style as a 'skewed interpretation'. Lets hope that self-monitoring skills can be learned.

 

[de-tached]

Hi De-tached.

So in short, I get what you're all trying to say and It's been thoroughly amusing, enthralling, and insightful. I promise you'll see more of my contributions when I'm done with the reading.

Do you really get it ? I'm glad if you found the mirroring amusing, but I doubt that you 'get' it.
You still manage to come across as quite arrogant and full of yourself.

To me it seems quite silly, and a waste, to laugh off Anart's and Laura's great replies to you.

I'm not laughing them off; I found Anart and Laura's replies thoroughly and sincerely enjoyable and enlightening for consideration and learning. I too would find it silly to laugh it off, considering all the effort going in to this forum. If I wasn't sincere, I wouldn't use so much time and energy to read, think, and write here, when I could be off elsewhere working on my freelance jobs, social networking, or just plain ol' brushing this off.

I'm listening, trust me. I may not "get it all" right now, obviously because I'm finishing up the suggested reading, but that's just self-evident. Sorry if I should have perhaps clarified what I meant by "get it", but I thought the prefacing information where I mentioned that I'm still finishing up the reading established that.

:)

 

[clerck de bonk]

Hi De-tached.

So in short, I get what you're all trying to say and It's been thoroughly amusing, enthralling, and insightful. I promise you'll see more of my contributions when I'm done with the reading.

Do you really get it ? I'm glad if you found the mirroring amusing, but I doubt that you 'get' it.
You still manage to come across as quite arrogant and full of yourself.

To me it seems quite silly, and a waste, to laugh off Anart's and Laura's great replies to you.

I'm not laughing them off; I found Anart and Laura's replies thoroughly and sincerely enjoyable and enlightening for consideration and learning. I too would find it silly to laugh it off, considering all the effort going in to this forum. If I wasn't sincere, I wouldn't use so much time and energy to read, think, and write here, when I could be off elsewhere working on my freelance jobs, social networking, or just plain ol' brushing this off.

I'm listening, trust me. I may not "get it all" right now, obviously because I'm finishing up the suggested reading, but that's just self-evident. Sorry if I should have perhaps clarified what I meant by "get it", but I thought the prefacing information where I mentioned that I'm still finishing up the reading established that.

:)

I've been on the verge of replying to this thread for some days but refrained until now...because I felt my buttons where pushed by D:s "overembellished" language :/

D, is it so that Your kind of humour "demands" this sort of elaborate language? I'm asking because I have hard time understanding Your replies(my mothertongue isn't English).

 

[Helle]

I'm not laughing them off; I found Anart and Laura's replies thoroughly and sincerely enjoyable and enlightening for consideration and learning.

But yet to choose not to reply to them?
Why is that?

 

[de-tached]

Yes, clerck de bonk, I'll not be so "demanding" with my word choices so as to make mutual understanding more accessible, except where I cannot help but elaborate in more complex or demanding terms; such as when referencing things like altered states of consciousness, where simpler explanations cannot suffice to convey the subject in full, accurate essence as I understand them.

I'm not laughing them off; I found Anart and Laura's replies thoroughly and sincerely enjoyable and enlightening for consideration and learning.

But yet to choose not to reply to them?
Why is that?

If I don't address all the questions or replies directly, it's because I don't feel the immediate necessity to debate their accuracy or elaborate on their impliations while I still have yet to finish the suggested readings.

It's like asking "If you have an apple tree, why don't you make apple pie?"
The apples are working on ripening. If I tried to make a pie, it wouldn't be agreeable for the tastes of those at the buffet, here assembled.
Patience, friends.

Furthermore, I addressed the disconnect of understanding with Anart on my "Introduce Yourself" thread.
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=13903.0forum

 

[clerck de bonk]

If I don't address all the questions or replies directly, it's because I don't feel the immediate necessity to debate their accuracy or elaborate on their impliations while I still have yet to finish the suggested readings.

It's like asking "If you have an apple tree, why don't you make apple pie?"
The apples are working on ripening. If I tried to make a pie, it wouldn't be agreeable for the tastes of those at the buffet, here assembled.
Patience, friends.

Nobody ordered applepie, could I just have an apple of the current season please? And if You have only one tree that is "off season" then don't bother

 

[Mountain Crown]

The integral concept of the antecedent discourse is adequately summated thusly, that an indefinitely specified person lacks the capacity to metamorphose the modus operandi of cogitation in the manner characterized by said person's present state of cogitation.

 

[clerck de bonk]

The integral concept of the antecedent discourse is adequately summated thusly, that an indefinitely specified person lacks the capacity to metamorphose the modus operandi of cogitation in the manner characterized by said person's present state of cogitation.

MC, could You stop being so opulently verbal for a moment(meaning: I dont understand to whom you are referring, me or somebody else)

:) :D

 

[Erna]

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The integral concept of the antecedent discourse is adequately summated thusly, that an indefinitely specified person lacks the capacity to metamorphose the modus operandi of cogitation in the manner characterized by said person's present state of cogitation.
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MC, could You stop being so opulently verbal for a moment(meaning: I dont understand to whom you are referring, me or somebody else)
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I think MC is jerking de-tached's chain! I might be mistaken though...

 

[Mountain Crown]

The integral concept of the antecedent discourse is adequately summated thusly, that an indefinitely specified person lacks the capacity to metamorphose the modus operandi of cogitation in the manner characterized by said person's present state of cogitation.

MC, could You stop being so opulently verbal for a moment(meaning: I dont understand to whom you are referring, me or somebody else)

:) :D

No, your sincerity is not a question. :)

You know, Laura could've written it in such a way, but she didn't. Curious, no? A lesson for all of us.

I know at times I've been a wiseacre, and it bugs the beejeebees out of me.

 

[clerck de bonk]

I know at times I've been a wiseacre, and it bugs the beejeebees out of me.

I certainly can relate to that(and to being a know it all, and an oaf, and...)



Lets just be solemn for a moment.

 

[Helle]

If I don't address all the questions or replies directly, it's because I don't feel the immediate necessity to debate their accuracy or elaborate on their impliations while I still have yet to finish the suggested readings

I'm very disappointed that you don't FEEL the immediate necessity to debate whether you're coming across as arrogant, a word-salad-maker, a know-it all, and I'm very disappointed that you choose not to elaborate further.
You don't need to read the the wave series to look deep inside you, and see if maybe Anart and Laura and others where actually right about their so called assumptions about you.

You fail to learn a VERY good lesson here.

I understand that your buffers / primitive defence mechanism are popping up like mad, but that gives you an excellent opportunity to observe them, and hopefully get rid of them.
I suggest you read up on at least the Buffer that's called Denial, I'll make it easy for you, and post a little appetizer here :

Denial
Perhaps the most primitive and best known defense mechanism. People simply ignore unpleasant facts, they filter out data and content that contravene their self-image, prejudices, and preconceived notions of others and of the world.

 

[SeekinTruth]

You may also want to ponder the idea that, unless a person can explain a complex topic is plain language that is accessible to all, then generally it means that they don't understand the topic very well.

Yeah, very good point, Perceval. I also think if you can explain something in many different ways (using different words) but all being clear, it indicates that you have a pretty good grasp of the matter. Otherwise, you're probably just repeating what you've heard or read but don't understand it too well if you can't put it in different ways to explain it to others.

 

[de-tached]

If I don't address all the questions or replies directly, it's because I don't feel the immediate necessity to debate their accuracy or elaborate on their impliations while I still have yet to finish the suggested readings

I'm very disappointed that you don't FEEL the immediate necessity to debate whether you're coming across as arrogant, a word-salad-maker, a know-it all, and I'm very disappointed that you choose not to elaborate further.
You don't need to read the the wave series to look deep inside you, and see if maybe Anart and Laura and others where actually right about their so called assumptions about you.

I think the fact that I've been taking all these considerations into deep contemplation and reflection suggests that I do feel Anart and Laura, and other contributors, are offering very "right on" and truthful mirrors by which I've been reflecting. If you feel I'm failing to learn a great lesson, then please reserve judgment and disappointment until I come back after completing the reading, when all this has had time to gel.

If I don't feel the need to rapid-fire back immediately, it's because I think it wiser to silently observe that to just yammer on for the sake of filling space with undeveloped replies which haven't yet the full background to establish a commonality of communication and understanding.

 

[Vulcan59]

Hi de-tached,

No need to feel agitated. Just take your time to read through the suggested material and reply when you are good and ready. No one has suggested that you've got to reply within a stated period. :)