Controversial Instagram Account About Pathology

[Deleted member 11729]

This is for me unbelievable that someone can do this. As a person who seen couple of autopsies in my medical school, what affected me a lot, I can't be live it that someone is able to be so detached from humanity to be able to do this for self promotion. Any way I don't know how this is legal? This is for me one of the most ugliest ways of narcissistic self representation use of social networks.

_http://sobadsogood.com/2015/05/12/Nicole-Angemi-runs-most-controversial-instagram-account/

At least we can have numbers of sick psychopath who are folowing her. And styling is incredible. sick.

 

[loreta]

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I don't know if I wanted to see what you post. Is it about what, specifically? It is gore?

 

[Deleted member 11729]

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I don't know if I wanted to see what you post. Is it about what, specifically? It is gore?

it is about a young women who is assistant to pathologist on autopsies in hospital and she is taking home organs in cans and parts of human bodies, cutting that and doing "stylish" photos for people on the internet?!?!? ... IF you are sensitive to that be careful ... and the worst of all she is totally stylish, looking fabulous, with tattoos, kind of Gothic look and has a 2 kids at home showing that to them too ... unbelievable ...

 

[Sinapi]

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Perhaps I'm ponerized regarding this (and if I am, please point it out), but I looked at her Instagram account and didn't see it as a "narcissistic self representation". Yes, there are pictures of organs, autopsies, and various diseases, which can be graphic and disturbing (I'm a bit squeamish), but I get the impression that she really does want to inform people about anatomic pathology. For example, I had no idea that autoamputation is a complication of diabetes. I found it interesting, and it's probably helpful for med students or others in healthcare professions. She claims it's not illegal, at least under HIPAA, because there's no way you can identify a person from a picture of an organ.

From what you described, I thought she'd be taking Abu-Ghraib-style selfies with the bodies and cutting up organs into "artwork", but the closest thing I saw to that from the more recent pictures was the photo of uterine fibroids lined up as a snowman. All that said, I think her account does attract creeps and possible psychopaths, like those who leave comments about "thigh gaps" on cadavers. FWIW.

 

[liffy]

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solarmind: I think you're overreacting. I certainly don't think you have to be a 'sick psychopath' in order to find the results of different diseases and the surrounding topics interesting. I mean, of course it can be a bit creepy and nasty, but disease and death is real, so might as well face it if you have an interest in it.

 

[Laura]

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solarmind: I think you're overreacting. I certainly don't think you have to be a 'sick psychopath' in order to find the results of different diseases and the surrounding topics interesting. I mean, of course it can be a bit creepy and nasty, but disease and death is real, so might as well face it if you have an interest in it.

I agree. I don't even see a reason for a thread about it on this forum.

 

[Deleted member 11729]

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solarmind: I think you're overreacting. I certainly don't think you have to be a 'sick psychopath' in order to find the results of different diseases and the surrounding topics interesting. I mean, of course it can be a bit creepy and nasty, but disease and death is real, so might as well face it if you have an interest in it.

Could be that I am overreacting, as my experience with autopsies in school were very stressfull and for long time I couldn't forget that feeling of sadness ... on autopsies smell of dead body is something you newer forget. And I know that most of the doctors who are working on that part are not really enthusiastic to share that experience around.

I was also thinking, before I sow it, that it can be maybe interesting to expand your knowledge about body, and that was my intention to go and look at that. But after watching the video of how she is presenting what she is doing, and when she start with aborted fetuses, and than with a "smiley" peace of colon or something like that, and when I see how she get's dressed to cut that, how all is about her stylish representation of cool chick who can cut the organs, and her fake wish to explain to people about that, while she is not educated about that so how she know what she is doing, for me it all looks like just false laying, so that she can get positive opinions on what she is doing. Well there is plenty of medical books where you can see that, with accurate explanations, and how many normal people you know that are really willing to see rotten or cutted organs from other dead people? How that can help anyone to learn more about how to help himself?

On the other side about is it legal or not. I can't accept that from the leg you can't recognize person, so than it is OK? Can you imagine your self been used like that? We can say dead body is just a piece of dead meat, but what does it said about our compassion and react to the one who ones had that amputated leg as integral part of ones personality? To me she looks like a perfect psycho who will repare humans to catastrophe that is coming, when part of dead bodies will be on the streets not just on instagram. And do we really need that preparation, specialy tjis kind of amputed compassion, when we have tons of documents from wars all over the earth?

 

[Deleted member 11729]

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solarmind: I think you're overreacting. I certainly don't think you have to be a 'sick psychopath' in order to find the results of different diseases and the surrounding topics interesting. I mean, of course it can be a bit creepy and nasty, but disease and death is real, so might as well face it if you have an interest in it.

I agree. I don't even see a reason for a thread about it on this forum.

Feel free to delete

 

[Deleted member 11729]

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Perhaps I'm ponerized regarding this (and if I am, please point it out), but I looked at her Instagram account and didn't see it as a "narcissistic self representation".

Did you look her video? From the link I sugested?

 

[Sol Logos]

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My father died last year and I was in the hospital when it happened. It was a very difficult time for me, to be with him when he stopped breathing and to see and feel how quickly his body turned to something without any life in it. I knew he was gone but I still wanted to lay my head on his body while I wept. All my other family members didn't want to be there any more, so I was alone with him like that for quite a while. I suppose it just helped me then and there to connect with him in some way, but after a while processing some feelings about it all, I felt more of a resolve in me that he was gone fully from his body - that it was finally empty so-to-speak. After that, there was a lot more grief but it was like that stage, if you could call it that, of needing to see and be close to his physical body had passed. We'll that's as best I can describe it.

I just recounted that to put it in context, so for me, yes, it would be difficult if my dad's body parts where being put on Instagram as a kind mockery. But going through the "Mrs Angemi" account it doesn't strike me as a mockery and I wouldn't be too bothered by it if my father's body was used in the way she has done with her photos. That opinion is only from the few pages of pictures I saw on her Instagram account mind you.

It does bring up an interesting topic though - about how various people react differently to dead bodies. Solarmind, the feeling of sadness while working with cadavers, what do you reckon that might be about - I could be wrong but get the sense it's something perhaps a bit deeper?

 

[Deleted member 11729]

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It does bring up an interesting topic though - about how various people react differently to dead bodies. Solarmind, the feeling of sadness while working with cadavers, what do you reckon that might be about - I could be wrong but get the sense it's something perhaps a bit deeper?

Autopsies are usually done when there is a reason to get to know the reason of death or reason of the failure of the organs. For me that one that was really difficult to see, was one old lady that was taken out of a grave after a week, because family had some issues about the inheritage, so they wanted to know if she died naturally. I just thought what kind of reason can be to do something like that, and I thought, if they will be here to see this rotten green and totally out of person body, they will for sure regret their request, as that is sad image, no doubt. Also the procedure of autopsy is really something that makes me feel very sad indeed ... it is maybe also mine subjective perception of a dead body and decay and entropy that just makes me feel sad. In the nature when buried or burned with the ground, body serve as a food for new life, that is something totally different, it is how life emerges from someone death etc ... but autopsies, abductions etc .. that is always a tricky mettar, why we are doing that at all, the reason must be clear in our mind, what kind of beneficial knowledge it will bring to the world. WE know that not all the scientific work is for good for humans.

I think we have to have a basic respect towards those ones who left their bodies, even though if the body is nothing more than empty shall, still I think if we will be careless about that, on the level that without any education, like she said many times, all of a sudden we decided to show that to the world, just like that, in stylish and nicely composed photos, it will not show a basic compassion and respect towards humans who are not just flash and blood.

Here is the video, if you didn't watched from the link in the article:
_http://motherboard.vice.com/read/morgue-instagram

On the other side, we have so many great individuals, mainly doctors, who chose to do that work, that is not easy, but they chose it in order to help us to know more about our bodies. Leonardo was one of them, but he was pioneering something that was unknown to any one around that time, and he obviously didn't do that to promote himself. But this girl, she is not Leonardo. She is not doing anything what is not already done in medical researches and what is not accessible to anyone who want to learn about that.

I think that after watching the same video I watched, we might have same starting point to talk about that. As that is video, and her representation of what she is doing that shocked me.

But it is obviously interesting topic ... I didn't expect that. I just thought I would like to see if maybe someone has different opinion, to reflect, as I didn't want to be overwhelmed with my possible overreacting, and I just get rush of all that school memories that get back to me.

 

[Human]

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[...]
I think we have to have a basic respect towards those ones who left their bodies, even though if the body is nothing more than empty shall, still I think if we will be careless about that, on the level that without any education, like she said many times, all of a sudden we decided to show that to the world, just like that, in stylish and nicely composed photos, it will not show a basic compassion and respect towards humans who are not just flash and blood.
[...]

This part is kind of contradictory to me.
I understand it as: "we should respect humans (who are not just flesh and blood) who left their physical bodies by respecting their dead bodies (which are only empty shells now)".

And this showing of the respect should be done how exactly? By burying the empty shell in the ground or incinerating it or... IOW by making it disappear from our sight?
For me it looks like obsession with physicality and fear about mortality (change-ability) of physical world.

 

[Deleted member 11729]

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[...]
I think we have to have a basic respect towards those ones who left their bodies, even though if the body is nothing more than empty shall, still I think if we will be careless about that, on the level that without any education, like she said many times, all of a sudden we decided to show that to the world, just like that, in stylish and nicely composed photos, it will not show a basic compassion and respect towards humans who are not just flash and blood.
[...]

This part is kind of contradictory to me.
I understand it as: "we should respect humans (who are not just flesh and blood) who left their physical bodies by respecting their dead bodies (which are only empty shells now)".

And this showing of the respect should be done how exactly? By burying the empty shell in the ground or incinerating it or... IOW by making it disappear from our sight?
For me it looks like obsession with physicality and fear about mortality (change-ability) of physical world.

Did you watched the video of her? That is the source of my thoughts related to this topic. If you did, than I can better understand your question, if not, than we talk in general about mine relation to death etc ... so ok.

I disagree with your opinion, and I think it is misunderstood ... Memories of ones who left this world are strong with those on this world. And I think we shall keep them on personal, not rotten dead body, level. So far I don't know that any one have dead fellow at home in fridge, or around in cans, or through all the times of our civilization, we didn't trash our dead dudes just to a plastic bag, and left them to be buried in mass graves .... do you think we shall do that? That is more economical, but yet we don't do that. There must be something in humans why we are not doing that.

Do you think that body is not the same human as the one who fist it? Many scientific researches approved that even transplanted organs have a kind of a "personal soul" memory, and many people experienced deep changing in their life after getting one transplant. Does that say something more about what I was thinking as respect?

I have to point out again that I developed this understanding of dead body and relation to that, after been present on autopsies due to my school program as a 16 year old. Did any one here have that experience? It is quite strong one.

Also we are all horrified with dead bodies of killed people in Palestine, dead immigrants on the shores etc ... hm do you think we shall not sorrow upon them as they are just turned to dead bodies.

As about death, I don't fear it, and I don't see it as anything that tragically as you get impression, I either don't like grandiose funerals, and tombs, I do like it to flow organically as it always had, and as for mine own death and body, If that will help to improve human life to be more compassionate and understanding, I am fine with giving my body for that kind of research, also if anyone think my organs will help that too, I am okay with that, but who can guaranty that? So I'll rather live my life without been under pressure of that, and preferably bee buried directly to the ground without any extra coffin or so or simply burned to ashes, or left lost in the woods or mountains, to be able to serve earth organically for other life to continue ...

I don't know, is there some C session that talked about that, would love to red one point of thinking form higher density? I might be locked in some more "flashy" experience that I am not aware of it yet?

But my post was about video of that woman and the way how she is presenting human organs on-line. And I was horrified with the way how she is doing that, not with the need to have that kind of knowledge. I still didn't get any reflection on video, just on instagram photos.

 

[Laura]

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[...]
I think we have to have a basic respect towards those ones who left their bodies, even though if the body is nothing more than empty shall, still I think if we will be careless about that, on the level that without any education, like she said many times, all of a sudden we decided to show that to the world, just like that, in stylish and nicely composed photos, it will not show a basic compassion and respect towards humans who are not just flash and blood.
[...]

This part is kind of contradictory to me.
I understand it as: "we should respect humans (who are not just flesh and blood) who left their physical bodies by respecting their dead bodies (which are only empty shells now)".

And this showing of the respect should be done how exactly? By burying the empty shell in the ground or incinerating it or... IOW by making it disappear from our sight?
For me it looks like obsession with physicality and fear about mortality (change-ability) of physical world.

Yes, just a bit.

I did plenty of dissecting in college while working for my science degree that I never finished for various reasons. After the initial squeamishness, I got over it and became fascinated with the amazing machine of life in all its variations and pathologies. The main thing I did NOT like was the formaldehyde though it did make my nails very hard!

Like alkhemst, when my grandmother died, I spent some time with her body, holding her hand, laying my head on her and crying. It helped me to say goodbye to her "instrument of manifestation", if you will.

Recently, when our beloved doggum Sebastian died, we could not bear to bury him, so we left him there as if sleeping on his bed by the door for hours until we felt that we could do the deed.

"Do the deed". Yeah, I DO NOT LIKE putting bodies in the ground; I prefer cremation. I don't like to think of the "instrument of manifestation" that I loved and that was used to express love toward me, rotting and being consumed by worms/bacteria, etc. I like the idea of releasing the life components into the air better and then consigning what was irreducibly solid to the ground or water. When my mother passed in 2010, we had her cremated.

At the same time, I know that the real person is gone and the shell is just that: a shell composed of chemicals and minerals and water and so forth and if it is useful for others to learn something from it, there is no reason to not release the body to a school or pathologist for learning. Heck, when I had a small tumor removed from my breast, I asked the doctor to slice it open for me on the tray right then and there so I could see what might be inside (just fat).

No, I would not like my loved ones subjected to disrespect or abuse in a teaching setting and I know that DOES happen. But there are also those students and teachers who are thankful for donations to science so that they can learn more about this miracle we call life. Those who might be insulting only diminish themselves.

So, basically, this is really just a part of paying close attention to reality, right and left, and not getting lost in illusions or emotional swarms of the genetic body.

 

[Deleted member 11729]

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Yes, just a bit.

I did plenty of dissecting in college while working for my science degree that I never finished for various reasons. After the initial squeamishness, I got over it and became fascinated with the amazing machine of life in all its variations and pathologies. The main thing I did NOT like was the formaldehyde though it did make my nails very hard!

Like alkhemst, when my grandmother died, I spent some time with her body, holding her hand, laying my head on her and crying. It helped me to say goodbye to her "instrument of manifestation", if you will.

Recently, when our beloved doggum Sebastian died, we could not bear to bury him, so we left him there as if sleeping on his bed by the door for hours until we felt that we could do the deed.

"Do the deed". Yeah, I DO NOT LIKE putting bodies in the ground; I prefer cremation. I don't like to think of the "instrument of manifestation" that I loved and that was used to express love toward me, rotting and being consumed by worms/bacteria, etc. I like the idea of releasing the life components into the air better and then consigning what was irreducibly solid to the ground or water. When my mother passed in 2010, we had her cremated.

At the same time, I know that the real person is gone and the shell is just that: a shell composed of chemicals and minerals and water and so forth and if it is useful for others to learn something from it, there is no reason to not release the body to a school or pathologist for learning. Heck, when I had a small tumor removed from my breast, I asked the doctor to slice it open for me on the tray right then and there so I could see what might be inside (just fat).

No, I would not like my loved ones subjected to disrespect or abuse in a teaching setting and I know that DOES happen. But there are also those students and teachers who are thankful for donations to science so that they can learn more about this miracle we call life. Those who might be insulting only diminish themselves.

So, basically, this is really just a part of paying close attention to reality, right and left, and not getting lost in illusions or emotional swarms of the genetic body.

Yes I can reflect on all of that you wrote, and I already wrote that in my answers to the questions from others.

Sure who we are to own our machine if there is a better way to use it for better. Specially as a person that went to medical school, I understand that part perfectly, same as curiosity to see your organs and tissues, same thing I always do, as that is kind of responsibility I think, to be more aware of what happened to us, so that we can better understand of healing procedure. And I am so grateful to those individuals who are doing that for humanity. But back to the topic again, I am not sure any one watched the video of this non educated fancy woman who is by my opinion, abusing all this what we can agree around.

And I am using this opportunity to say that I was thinking and still do think quite often about Sebastian a lot :) ... and I will probably do the same, as we did the same even with our little bird ... and I do prefer cremation, and I don't want any kind of funeral and tomb to be any where in the world for me ... actually I don't want anyone to be under pressure of taking care of my dead body any how, as I think it is quite traumatic experience for those who are in close relation with the one who is dead.