Controversial Instagram Account About Pathology

[Michael B-C]

As Laura says, we should look at objective reality here not our preconceived, conditioned hang-ups and emotive responses.

Her purposes are clearly stated on the site:


'Pathologist assistant Nicole Angemi spends her days slicing, dicing and examining different organs of the human body taken from various autopsies. It's a field of work that many would find morbid, but the New Jersey native sees it as her mission to help educate people about the confronting realities of life and death.

That's lead to her running one of the most controversial Instagram accounts on the planet, where she posts daily updates of organs, grizzly body parts and a fair amount of gore. There's no desire to shock or scare anyone, only simply to inform.
In her interview with Motherboard she reveals her motivation for doing so:

‘I want to teach people and show the world the truth about death and life and diseases. But sometimes it’s hard for people to handle and they report my photos.’


I watched her video. It’s illuminating and valuable. She’s clearly passionate about education and believes everyone should know – has a right to know - what’s going on in their bodies. She’s using Instogram to get as many as possible interested in every aspect of the body through strong but also informative images. As she says in the fascinating video ‘It’s not that big of a deal and that this stuff happens to everyone’.

She also seems to be knowingly confronting the secrecy and obscuration of the medical profession as well as the controlling influences of such sites as Instogram. She talks about posting images that sure are confrontational but entirely valid and then when she dares to title what they are they get deleted. It’s as if she is testing the limits of people’s perceptions of what is and isn’t acceptable to know – for example an image of a foreskin was ok until she titled it ‘foreskin’ and then it was deleted. As she says it’s just a piece of skin, not a penis! She rightfully goes on to show that the system allows half naked photos of a 17 year old but wont allow scientific truths about the various conditions within the human body.

She is also completely upfront as to herself as a woman, a young mum, and her empathy for other women struggling to have a family. Her talk about miscarriages and the hidden nature of human reproductionary faults was inspiring as were the images she showed. She is being responsible about not being a doctor... she tells people she cannot give diagnosis as to their problems. She’s very careful not to show identifying marks… she talks about always being respectful.

Most importantly she talks about how scientists want to suppress what she is doing, that they tell her that this information should stay hidden in a medical museum… that it is for their learning and use and not for the general public… and so they stay in command of us and our bodies. She is rightly outraged at this and willing to put her career at risk to refute them.

All in all, I would suggest we are looking at a young crusader for truth here, a courageous, intelligent, perceptive individual, and what she is doing is important.

Think about the work of Leonardo da Vinci; his countless, detailed pictures of dissections and autopsies. His work hangs in a museum and is lauded. I think the real issue here is that she is an inteligent, erudite woman, with an individual look, daring to speak uncomfortable truths and present them with emotional perception and care and as such she is a target for that old fashioned predator; misogyny.

 

[Laura]

Okay, I watched the video and found nothing offensive at all. The woman was respectful and engaging at the same time.

Yes, when you work with that sort of thing all day long, you do acquire a sort of "emergency room humor". We have developed something similar here in dealing with the horrors of this world. But horrors have to be looked at and understood most especially if you want to bring horror to an end. That seems to be what this young woman is about: teaching people about their bodies and disease and death, and doing it in a straightforward fashion.

So, no, I don't think she's a narcissist or pathological herself in anyway. Yes, the job is not the same as working checkout in the supermarket, but if the checkers in the supermarket had a good idea of how fragile and amazing their bodies are, perhaps they wouldn't hook up with guys who abuse them.

As the woman said, it is far more offensive to show photographs of scantily clad children and teenagers to excite perverts and pornography is definitely far more damaging to our society than education about the body and how it works.

 

[Tracy Anne]

Some cultures would see this as extremely offensive, for instance the native Maori people of New Zealand consider a dead body to be 'Tapu' (sacred). Sure they have to accept that autopsies are done on the deceased but to take this one step futher and display the organs of their beloved one on a public website would be very insulting and disrespectful.

Maybe this has to be taken in context of different cultures. I myself find it disturbing to have this on a public arena, especially if permission has not been given.

Just my 2 cents worth.

 

[Human]

Some cultures would see this as extremely offensive, for instance the native Maori people of New Zealand consider a dead body to be 'Tapu' (sacred). Sure they have to accept that autopsies are done on the deceased but to take this one step futher and display the organs of their beloved one on a public website would be very insulting and disrespectful.

Maybe this has to be taken in context of different cultures. I myself find it disturbing to have this on a public arena, especially if permission has not been given.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Permission by whom?
As with so many "things" in our (3D STS) world, it basically comes down to question of ownership, IMO, and culture/society where the deceased lived.
Who really owns the physical body/shell after the consciousness/life left it?
(As a side note, what we can see nowadays (and in the past also) is that the state/government is trying to impose itself as the owner of our bodies even if we still inhabit them - take vaccines case for example.)

I'd maybe be pushing a bit now, but what if there was no exact "last will" (WRT this matter) and "beneficiaries" (hope that's the right word) had different ideas what to do with the "inheritance"?
Going to the extreme, as an opposite to above mentioned Maori people, what to think about tribes/societies that practised endocannibalism as their funeral ritual? _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endocannibalism

added:

[...]
Do you think that body is not the same human as the one who fist it? Many scientific researches approved that even transplanted organs have a kind of a "personal soul" memory, and many people experienced deep changing in their life after getting one transplant. Does that say something more about what I was thinking as respect?
[...]

Yes, I'm familiar with such cases, and with current knowledge about how consciousness can affect the DNA/body, it would be kind of normal to expect that some of that consciousness (like a sort of residual) might be left stored in the DNA/tissues/body as a consequence of interaction. Of course, that is if there would be "enough" of consciousness to begin with.

 

[loreta]

Death is a taboo, and the body also, in American society. We tend to forget that we are a body, with viscera and bones, and little microbes, etc. We don't want to see of what we are made. We are afraid of death, that's why. We can see violence on tv, bodies and assassination, but it is a different thing to think about our bodies as something that can rot, like a piece of meat. I talk in general, as a culture. Maybe religion is a big culprit in this, to make us think that we are different than a dog, for example, that our bodies are sacred, and not the body of a dog. I don't know. But we are a body with blood, viscera, organs and it is important to know of what we are made, what is the function of each organ, see our bodies as what they are, a splendid machine that works and one day stop to work. It is a mystery, really. And surely if we knew more about it we would take more care of our bodies.

I admire people who do autopsies. Really. It is an important work. Me too I wanted to be cremated and that's all.

I did not see the video, yet.

 

[Deleted member 11729]

Michael BC and Laura, thank you for watching and giving your point of view.

But any way, I am still not sure that she is doing that for anything more than self promotion, and she is quite successful in doing that, as Michale BC you trust to all what she said. Well Obama said many fantastic things, but still ;) ...

Comparing of this very well packaged personal PR and gain of on-line popularity can't be compared any how with all this misused and abused content on the net that we are see seeing every day. I think the stylish and well done visually is something where we might lose truth behind this theatrical semi scientific self promoted work with humand organs without permit from the owners.

Comparing for example this autoimmune protocol that Laura is doing right now, with this, I found it just incomparable for me, in the terms of using your knowledge, ability and strength to get out of the box, take a risk and bring new knowledge in the field of medicine. what Laura is doing is extraordinary, and will be helpfull to many. But so far we can't see any photo of your pain suffering dizziness etc ;) ... and you are not putting that on instagram blog or youtube for all out there to see it.

Same as this forum, it took a long time before you opened up publicly what you are wokring on, and I never find a bit of self promotion in it, just opposite, I found and resonate with idea to share end expand our knowledge and understanding of things that we can't find in mainstream schools and system and media.

But Instagram is mainstream media platform.

For me form visual point of view, and level of production, there is to much effort done on visual aspect of photos and her presentation, and just so little on the real science and knowledge what is going on with our body.

But I will give it another try to look it form different perspective, as this is kind of interesting to see how it is very individual in our perception of the things and world around us.

Thank you for giving your opinions.

ps.

Think about the work of Leonardo da Vinci; his countless, detailed pictures of dissections and autopsies. His work hangs in a museum and is lauded. I think the real issue here is that she is an inteligent, erudite woman, with an individual look, daring to speak uncomfortable truths and present them with emotional perception and care and as such she is a target for that old fashioned predator; misogyny.

Michael BC I already referred and gave my thought's on work of Leonardo in some of mine previous comments around this subject. You probably miss it? But thank you for taking out Leonardo, he is excellent and dark at the same time ... we can't be sure what he was working on, as many other great scientists and individuals who were dancing on the edge of good and evil in their groundbreaking discoveries, that they probably some how get through some sort of channeling ...

Devil is in the detalis

 

[Tracy Anne]

Some cultures would see this as extremely offensive, for instance the native Maori people of New Zealand consider a dead body to be 'Tapu' (sacred). Sure they have to accept that autopsies are done on the deceased but to take this one step futher and display the organs of their beloved one on a public website would be very insulting and disrespectful.

Maybe this has to be taken in context of different cultures. I myself find it disturbing to have this on a public arena, especially if permission has not been given.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Permission by whom?
As with so many "things" in our (3D STS) world, it basically comes down to question of ownership, IMO, and culture/society where the deceased lived.
Who really owns the physical body/shell after the consciousness/life left it?
(As a side note, what we can see nowadays (and in the past also) is that the state/government is trying to impose itself as the owner of our bodies even if we still inhabit them - take vaccines case for example.)

I'd maybe be pushing a bit now, but what if there was no exact "last will" (WRT this matter) and "beneficiaries" (hope that's the right word) had different ideas what to do with the "inheritance"?
Going to the extreme, as an opposite to above mentioned Maori people, what to think about tribes/societies that practised endocannibalism as their funeral ritual? _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endocannibalism

Permission would normally be given by the elders and/or spiritual leaders of the particular Maori tribe.

How do I know this? I was born in NZ and lived there for 50 years so I was immersed in the culture of the far north of New Zealand where over 50% of the population were of Maori descent.

 

[Deleted member 11729]

okay I went back to the instagram so here is what she is giving out as "scientific" explanation of gross photos that she is making at home.

1. Some toes! Toes are usually amputated for gangrene first in hopes to save the remainder of the foot and the leg. Toes and fingers are sometimes hard for new students and other "lookers" in the lab to deal with because they can be so easily identified as human.

2. Forever asleep...
Natural miscarriage at 16 weeks

3. Mystery diagnosis!!!!!

I don't see any intent here to expand peoples knowledge about disease or our body. DO I still miss something profound here?

Saša, on the other side about ownership and privacy, we can get so upset with our data on Google, fb etc ... we are so nervous about our privacy been intrude by technology, but on the other side yes what we can do about that? Mostly nothing within that constructed reality but we can do a lot by ourselves, to be aware of it, and how that can influence not just us, but the whole world. As anything we put out form us, goes somehere in. If I will be for some re son in the hospital where she is working, with some part cut form me, known that she might put it on instagram, I will feel relay betray by my doctor, as I think it is our mutual understandnig that we are not public walking medical encyclopedia, until we consciously agree to be one.

In ideal society who cares about privacy, as any way there is no such a thing, it is illusion, but in this sick world, now after watching instagram again, this is for me scary on a same way as alien abduction's. As this images if not by her, can be very well misused by anyone sick out there, and it is not good even if they are atracting those kind of people who just like to watch sick things, as we never know what can triger sick little torturer that is resting in their minds.

And Loreta, yes I agree about our obsession with the body, that is exactly what we can see on her. She is taking so much care of her body, that is hard to believe that she will ever show her own cutted leg on instagram, or even a nial. I am not from America and we are not that much unreal of all this body related miseries, and we are more grounded as a culture too. Growing up in poor society is nowdays a big advantage.
But I can partly understand what you saying, as I remember having my American friends coming to visit, they always wanted to go to the war places, what I found really like offending, as that is not a place for fun, to see the miseries of war, that so far they were able to see only on TV.

 

[Tracy Anne]

Death is a taboo, and the body also, in American society. We tend to forget that we are a body, with viscera and bones, and little microbes, etc. We don't want to see of what we are made. We are afraid of death, that's why. We can see violence on tv, bodies and assassination, but it is a different thing to think about our bodies as something that can rot, like a piece of meat. I talk in general, as a culture. Maybe religion is a big culprit in this, to make us think that we are different than a dog, for example, that our bodies are sacred, and not the body of a dog. I don't know. But we are a body with blood, viscera, organs and it is important to know of what we are made, what is the function of each organ, see our bodies as what they are, a splendid machine that works and one day stop to work. It is a mystery, really. And surely if we knew more about it we would take more care of our bodies.

I admire people who do autopsies. Really. It is an important work. Me too I wanted to be cremated and that's all.

I did not see the video, yet.

I agree Loreta that the body is Taboo and death is a mysterious process in most western cultures. In the Maori tradition in New Zealand even though the dead body is 'Tapu' (Sacred) the dying process and eventual death is commemorated in an open communal way with a 3 day funeral called a 'Tangi'. People gather on the Marae (meeting place) with the body present and sleep in the Marae with the body in the casket and if possible open for viewing. It really is a beautiful ceremony where any one can come onto the Marae and speak about the one who has died. The process is believed to help the spirit of the deceased to pass on to the next world more easily.

The placenta is also very sacred for the Maori and it is saved and buried under a tree.....to give life to the tree. I once worked for someone of Maori descent and un be known to me he had stored his newly born baby's placenta in a spare refrigerator in the garage....I unplugged the refrigerator to use the power point for something else and forgot to plug the refrigerator back in. Consequently they had to bury the placenta the next day as it had started to deteroriate.

So you see it depends what culture you have been bought up in as to how you see a dead body. I have worked for many different cultures and have full respect for their customs and also an awareness of what may offend them.

 

[Tracy Anne]

okay I went back to the instagram so here is what she is giving out as "scientific" explanation of gross photos that she is making at home.

1. Some toes! Toes are usually amputated for gangrene first in hopes to save the remainder of the foot and the leg. Toes and fingers are sometimes hard for new students and other "lookers" in the lab to deal with because they can be so easily identified as human.

2. Forever asleep...
Natural miscarriage at 16 weeks

3. Mystery diagnosis!!!!!

I don't see any intent here to expand peoples knowledge about disease or our body. DO I still miss something profound here?

Saša, on the other side about ownership and privacy, we can get so upset with our data on Google, fb etc ... we are so nervous about our privacy been intrude by technology, but on the other side yes what we can do about that? Mostly nothing within that constructed reality but we can do a lot by ourselves, to be aware of it, and how that can influence not just us, but the whole world. As anything we put out form us, goes somehere in. If I will be for some re son in the hospital where she is working, with some part cut form me, known that she might put it on instagram, I will feel relay betray by my doctor, as I think it is our mutual understandnig that we are not public walking medical encyclopedia, until we consciously agree to be one.

In ideal society who cares about privacy, as any way there is no such a thing, it is illusion, but in this sick world, now after watching instagram again, this is for me scary on a same way as alien abduction's. As this images if not by her, can be very well misused by anyone sick out there, and it is not good even if they are atracting those kind of people who just like to watch sick things, as we never know what can triger sick little torturer that is resting in their minds.

And Loreta, yes I agree about our obsession with the body, that is exactly what we can see on her. She is taking so much care of her body, that is hard to believe that she will ever show her own cutted leg on instagram, or even a nial. I am not from America and we are not that much unreal of all this body related miseries, and we are more grounded as a culture too. Growing up in poor society is nowdays a big advantage.
But I can partly understand what you saying, as I remember having my American friends coming to visit, they always wanted to go to the war places, what I found really like offending, as that is not a place for fun, to see the miseries of war, that so far you was able only to see on TV.

Thanks for this Solarmind. I havent looked at the video as I am at work today.

As for having a 16 week natural miscarriage to view.....I only hope that the mother gave permission for this to happen! It would upset me to think that of the 3 miscarriages I had they would be on display for all to see. Incidently when I had my last child the consultant who supervised my high risk pregnancy asked me if he could keep the placenta for study. I thought this was very respectful of my feelings and of course I consented.

This is an interesting topic indeed.

 

[Deleted member 11729]

In the Maori tradition in New Zealand even though the dead body is 'Tapu' (Sacred) the dying process and eventual death is commemorated in an open communal way with a 3 day funeral called a 'Tangi'. People gather on the Marae (meeting place) with the body present and sleep in the Marae with the body in the casket and if possible open for viewing. It really is a beautiful ceremony where any one can come onto the Marae and speak about the one who has died. The process is believed to help the spirit of the deceased to pass on to the next world more easily.

We use to have a kind of similar tradition in our culture in villages, but it is not practiced any more. What I think about this is that it is good to give opportunity to people to come out together with their thoughts of the person, is it around dead body or not, I don't know, I newer was in that situaiton. But I can understand that it can give kind of relief to their feelings of any kind about the person, that is not alive any more. And probably if the body is present, the honesty will be more amplified, as that is like a last contact on earth. And that can be very healing for those who came to say goodbye. I don't know for the spirit, but I can imagine that spirit also can observe that and maybe that can give to spirit a more easy way to leave in more peace than just as it goes, to get abandoned and than buried. Many time we have no idea what others are thinking about us. In our life we feel many time alone, disrespect and unloved, while there can be completely different, but for some reason we wasn't able to see it in our life ...

 

[Tracy Anne]

Solarmind this kinda sums it up from a Maori perspective. Even though this is relating to organ transplant the principles are similar.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_donation

The indigenous population of New Zealand also have strong views regarding organ donation.. Many Maori people believe organ donation is morally unacceptable due to the cultural need for a dead body to remain fully intact.[54] However, because there is not a universally recognised cultural authority, no one view on organ donation is universally accepted in the Maori population.[54] They are, however, less likely to accept a kidney transplant than other New Zealanders, despite being overrepresented in the population receiving dialysis.[54]

In the Maori tradition in New Zealand even though the dead body is 'Tapu' (Sacred) the dying process and eventual death is commemorated in an open communal way with a 3 day funeral called a 'Tangi'. People gather on the Marae (meeting place) with the body present and sleep in the Marae with the body in the casket and if possible open for viewing. It really is a beautiful ceremony where any one can come onto the Marae and speak about the one who has died. The process is believed to help the spirit of the deceased to pass on to the next world more easily.

We use to have a kind of similar tradition in our culture in villages, but it is not practiced any more. What I think about this is that it is good to give opportunity to people to come out together with their thoughts of the person, is it around dead body or not, I don't know, I newer was in that situaiton. But I can understand that it can give kind of relief to their feelings of any kind about the person, that is not alive any more. And probably if the body is present, the honesty will be more amplified, as that is like a last contact on earth. And that can be very healing for those who came to say goodbye. I don't know for the spirit, but I can imagine that spirit also can observe that and maybe that can give to spirit a more easy way to leave in more peace than just as it goes, to get abandoned and than buried. Many time we have no idea what others are thinking about us. In our life we feel many time alone, disrespect and unloved, while there can be completely different, but for some reason we wasn't able to see it in our life ...

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

okay I went back to the instagram so here is what she is giving out as "scientific" explanation of gross photos that she is making at home.

1. Some toes! Toes are usually amputated for gangrene first in hopes to save the remainder of the foot and the leg. Toes and fingers are sometimes hard for new students and other "lookers" in the lab to deal with because they can be so easily identified as human.

2. Forever asleep...
Natural miscarriage at 16 weeks

3. Mystery diagnosis!!!!!

I don't see any intent here to expand peoples knowledge about disease or our body. DO I still miss something profound here?

I thought all those things were interesting to see, it's definitely not something you get to see often. I'd be interested to have her show healthy smoker's vs healthy non-smoker's lungs as well. From my understanding, there should be no difference. But boy would that stir up some controversy on her page!

Saša, on the other side about ownership and privacy, we can get so upset with our data on Google, fb etc ... we are so nervous about our privacy been intrude by technology, but on the other side yes what we can do about that? Mostly nothing within that constructed reality but we can do a lot by ourselves, to be aware of it, and how that can influence not just us, but the whole world. As anything we put out form us, goes somehere in. If I will be for some re son in the hospital where she is working, with some part cut form me, known that she might put it on instagram, I will feel relay betray by my doctor, as I think it is our mutual understandnig that we are not public walking medical encyclopedia, until we consciously agree to be one.

But it's not linked back to you, your privacy isn't violated. It would be "a human organ" or something, and you probably wouldn't even recognize it as yours if you saw it. And it's not posted to make fun of it, it's posted educationally or as a curiosity, just to help people understand what certain things look like, and get some context on it as well.

And privacy is a double-edged sword. When the PTB violate it, they use it against you. But imagine living in a small village where everyone knows each other. Imagine a guy abusing his girlfriend, and the word spreads because she tells someone. Now imagine that no other girl wants to go near him afterwards because everyone knows his true nature. That's one upside to having a community and being able to talk about things that concern you about someone, including personal things, allowing others to protect themselves with this knowledge. Predators use privacy as protection. The devil is in the details, as always - who is violating "privacy", why they do it, and what they do with the information is very important and context is what determines when such a thing is good or bad.

In ideal society who cares about privacy, as any way there is no such a thing, it is illusion, but in this sick world, now after watching instagram again, this is for me scary on a same way as alien abduction's. As this images if not by her, can be very well misused by anyone sick out there, and it is not good even if they are atracting those kind of people who just like to watch sick things, as we never know what can triger sick little torturer that is resting in their minds.

I disagree - like I said, privacy isn't violated because no one is identified personally. Alien abductions are a kidnapping - this girl doesn't kidnap anyone. And anything and everything can be misused by sick people - but still, her pics can't be misused to target anyone or hurt anyone because no one is identified personally. Your kitchen knife resting on a table can trigger a "sick little torturer" too, so should we sit in a white padded room and sterilize everything and everyone for fear that someone may have a sick sexual perversion or violent tendencies? The internet has millions of pictures of organs and pathologies, should they all just be hidden from everyone?

And Loreta, yes I agree about our obsession with the body, that is exactly what we can see on her. She is taking so much care of her body, that is hard to believe that she will ever show her own cutted leg on instagram, or even a nial. I am not from America and we are not that much unreal of all this body related miseries, and we are more grounded as a culture too. Growing up in poor society is nowdays a big advantage.
But I can partly understand what you saying, as I remember having my American friends coming to visit, they always wanted to go to the war places, what I found really like offending, as that is not a place for fun, to see the miseries of war, that so far they were able to see only on TV.

Studying the human body and its diseases isn't the same as obsession. That's her job. And it happens to be extremely beneficial to humanity. She's just sharing what she learns and sees with the world because it shouldn't be a secret. Do you get offended when you open an encyclopedia and see actual pictures of human organs there as well? For all we know she's a great mom and wife, and has a fulfilling life completely unrelated to anything human body related. But being interested in the body and how it functions, including how it can fail and why, isn't an obsession, otherwise you could consider someone who studies rocks and minerals and shows pictures of them "an obsession" as well. Any interest or hobby or job that you are passionate about and find fulfillment in doing isn't the same as obsession, osit.

Compare what this girl does with physical pathologies to what people do with mental pathologies. How many times has Laura (or any of the authors of books about such things) written about someone's pathological tendencies, and often kept their identity private - how is that different? Only because it doesn't have icky pictures? Someone's personal experiences with someone else's mental pathologies are vital for everyone else to learn and understand, as it lets us learn more about ourselves as well. Besides a few "icky pictures" - what is the difference between that and describing/showcasing physical pathologies? And we know the pathologicals that Laura learns from in her personal experience wouldn't want the public at large to learn about this too. And as their manipulation and reality distortion techniques are described there might be someone out there thinking "oh this is a clever manipulation technique, I should start using that!" - does that mean we shouldn't share them with people to learn from just because there are some crazies out there?

 

[Tracy Anne]

okay I went back to the instagram so here is what she is giving out as "scientific" explanation of gross photos that she is making at home.

1. Some toes! Toes are usually amputated for gangrene first in hopes to save the remainder of the foot and the leg. Toes and fingers are sometimes hard for new students and other "lookers" in the lab to deal with because they can be so easily identified as human.

2. Forever asleep...
Natural miscarriage at 16 weeks

3. Mystery diagnosis!!!!!

I don't see any intent here to expand peoples knowledge about disease or our body. DO I still miss something profound here?

I thought all those things were interesting to see, it's definitely not something you get to see often. I'd be interested to have her show healthy smoker's vs healthy non-smoker's lungs as well. From my understanding, there should be no difference. But boy would that stir up some controversy on her page!

Saša, on the other side about ownership and privacy, we can get so upset with our data on Google, fb etc ... we are so nervous about our privacy been intrude by technology, but on the other side yes what we can do about that? Mostly nothing within that constructed reality but we can do a lot by ourselves, to be aware of it, and how that can influence not just us, but the whole world. As anything we put out form us, goes somehere in. If I will be for some re son in the hospital where she is working, with some part cut form me, known that she might put it on instagram, I will feel relay betray by my doctor, as I think it is our mutual understandnig that we are not public walking medical encyclopedia, until we consciously agree to be one.

But it's not linked back to you, your privacy isn't violated. It would be "a human organ" or something, and you probably wouldn't even recognize it as yours if you saw it. And it's not posted to make fun of it, it's posted educationally or as a curiosity, just to help people understand what certain things look like, and get some context on it as well.

And privacy is a double-edged sword. When the PTB violate it, they use it against you. But imagine living in a small village where everyone knows each other. Imagine a guy abusing his girlfriend, and the word spreads because she tells someone. Now imagine that no other girl wants to go near him afterwards because everyone knows his true nature. That's one upside to having a community and being able to talk about things that concern you about someone, including personal things, allowing others to protect themselves with this knowledge. Predators use privacy as protection. The devil is in the details, as always - who is violating "privacy", why they do it, and what they do with the information is very important and context is what determines when such a thing is good or bad.

In ideal society who cares about privacy, as any way there is no such a thing, it is illusion, but in this sick world, now after watching instagram again, this is for me scary on a same way as alien abduction's. As this images if not by her, can be very well misused by anyone sick out there, and it is not good even if they are atracting those kind of people who just like to watch sick things, as we never know what can triger sick little torturer that is resting in their minds.

I disagree - like I said, privacy isn't violated because no one is identified personally. Alien abductions are a kidnapping - this girl doesn't kidnap anyone. And anything and everything can be misused by sick people - but still, her pics can't be misused to target anyone or hurt anyone because no one is identified personally. Your kitchen knife resting on a table can trigger a "sick little torturer" too, so should we sit in a white padded room and sterilize everything and everyone for fear that someone may have a sick sexual perversion or violent tendencies? The internet has millions of pictures of organs and pathologies, should they all just be hidden from everyone?

And Loreta, yes I agree about our obsession with the body, that is exactly what we can see on her. She is taking so much care of her body, that is hard to believe that she will ever show her own cutted leg on instagram, or even a nial. I am not from America and we are not that much unreal of all this body related miseries, and we are more grounded as a culture too. Growing up in poor society is nowdays a big advantage.
But I can partly understand what you saying, as I remember having my American friends coming to visit, they always wanted to go to the war places, what I found really like offending, as that is not a place for fun, to see the miseries of war, that so far they were able to see only on TV.

Studying the human body and its diseases isn't the same as obsession. That's her job. And it happens to be extremely beneficial to humanity. She's just sharing what she learns and sees with the world because it shouldn't be a secret. Do you get offended when you open an encyclopedia and see actual pictures of human organs there as well? For all we know she's a great mom and wife, and has a fulfilling life completely unrelated to anything human body related. But being interested in the body and how it functions, including how it can fail and why, isn't an obsession, otherwise you could consider someone who studies rocks and minerals and shows pictures of them "an obsession" as well. Any interest or hobby or job that you are passionate about and find fulfillment in doing isn't the same as obsession, osit.

Well this is according to your cultural beliefs SAO. Of which I respect but what if others wishes have been violated?

I think the key point here is weather permission was given by the deceased (to leave body for research) or in the case of a sudden death, the family's permission is sort. I would like to think that that is happening but in reality it probably isnt. I wonder if anyone could find out what this woman's protocol is for procuring body parts? (!)

 

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SAO thank you for such a explanatory point of view. But did you watched the video?

I still disagree and feel more like Tracy Ane, that we don't have any right to use any part of any person without respect to it, let's call it that way.

Many here commented when you don't see a face it is not violating privacy .. um well, what about blind people, they can't see anything so we can show their face right?

This is very interesting discussion indeed, as apart form having feeling of getting lecture about she is okay and doing "scientific" research, I still didn't gent any prove for that, apart form long exp lanaiton how I might be wrong in not seeing how actually she is doing great stuff? .. This is very confusing, as I don't relay want to have a wrong opinion that something is abused for self promotion, while obviously there so many of you who think it is profound scientific work, but as I said I still can't see that form your comments. Can you help a bit more with some examples from her stuff that will by your opinion be representative of what you trying to say to me?

thank you.

ps. As about abduciotns we can say that it was not kidnaping, but it was more like out of ignorance of the person who gave permition, by not knownig what will happen. Ushualy as much as I know, that happend to those who ask for some kind of outerwordly expirience. Ushualy we see dualisitc interpreatiton of that, some are so happy that thya have been abduceted some are horrified. But many people still beleive that they are comeing to make a better world for us. So that is kind of a big misunderstandnig going on there.