Maybe I am one of those who do not think, so can you give us some examples? Thank you.
Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?
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Kids, with truth, are the first victims at war, always. Never forget the kids in the concentration camps, but not just in concentration camps, in the cities, in the villages, always we forget kids during wars. Poor souls! what happens to them is a shame, these little beings. Now again because we are in the same situation, we are at war, total war as they used to say during WW2. And kids are again victims of the folly that is present everywhere.COVID-19 Vaccine To Be Tested on 6-Year-Olds
COVID-19 Vaccine To Be Tested on 6-Year-Olds
University of Oxford is now enrolling children between the ages of 6 years and 17 years and 8 months in their U.K. vaccine trial.articles.mercola.com
This is a propaganda video about children during war and I don't want to make noise but I think it is good to remember what happened in the past and the past is now here.
Yes.Sir:
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Flu infections way down due to Covid precautions
It's a older video, but with our masks and social distancing, flu cases are plummeting.
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Who on the forum believes these lies? There's a difference between posting the outrageous lies from out there to ridicule and condemn on one hand, and on the other hand posting them as if they were the truth. Clearly what you quote are lies. However, your accusation is that people here support those type of quoted lies. Please quote a specific post on the forum that demonstrates your accusation.
Oh yes, perhaps I missed this from the comments in this thread, but I also heard this from my boos. She thinks that reinforcing the measures and relying on the vaccine we could get rid of both Covid and the flu (!!!)
What's "the official narrative of covid-19"?
That doesn't answer the question you were asked. What is your definition of the "official narrative of Covid-19" and where are forum members supporting it?
It is the case that 'flu cases' are 'way down'.
But as we've seen from reporting on what is and is not a 'Covid-19 case', what is and is not a 'flu case' is also unclear. They never did mass testing for 'flu'. In the past, it was largely down to self-reporting and/or doctors putting 'flu' (and/or related Influenza-like illnesses, 'ILIs', like pneumonia or other respiratory illnesses) down on patients' reports or death certificates. That's why, at the beginning of this madness, we initially said, 'Hang on, the numbers (of reported Covid-19 cases) are actually close to - or even lower than - past (even recent past) numbers of flu cases during the winter season'.
Then we realized that the 'flu baseline' against which everyone was comparing Covid-19 was weak (specifically, unreliable), so we instead looked 'beyond' that to see whether or not overall deaths ('all-cause mortality') increased during the 'Covid-19 pandemic'. They did, slightly, in countries that had the strictest lockdowns, but what that 'signal' in the data means is questionable because the case can be made that the initial 2-month lockdown last spring killed off - a little earlier than they might otherwise have gone ('dry tinder', epidemiologists call it) - a cohort of the elderly/chronically infirm by stupidly reorienting healthcare systems - in the worst possible way, as far as the most vulnerable to Covid-19 were concerned, and other larger cohorts because regular screening and primary healthcare went to hell.
One consequence of that reorientation is that we can't tell to what extent 'flu cases all but disappearing off the face of the Earth' is down to the fact that healthcare systems are under political-administrative orders to 'see only Covid-19', how much of that is due to actual biological factors whereby the SARS-CoV-2 variants are 'occupying the pathways' through which seasonal flu viruses normally enter and interact with their hosts, and how much of that is 'a happy and surprising by-product of successful public health measures' like social distancing.
We think the first explanation most likely accounts for most of the 'disappearance of flu'; it 'disappeared' into the 'Covid column' on Excel spreadsheets because of overwhelming tunnel-vision focus on SARS-CoV-2. Governments, on the other hand, would love for people to believe the latter explanation, which they can of course endlessly leverage to make the case for more lockdowns.
And that is what's chiefly farcical about this situation: if they're keeping everyone under lockdown and/or 'limited social bubbles', they're theoretically keeping Covid-19 herd immunity at bay, and regular seasonal flu herd immunity at bay, worsening the impact of each when things 'return to normal'... Unless, we never return to normal because Big Brother Govt will be there every step of the way to 'save us from suffering' by endlessly putting off the inevitable.
Here's a recent UK Telegraph report warning about 'the flu rebound':
If it's the case that "social distancing measures cut the [Covid] virus to levels not seen for a century," then - by implication - why not maintain such measures indefinitely to also 'prevent the flu from returning'?
In the very same article, further down, it is acknowledged why this was never attempted before The Covid came along:
Flu is ordinarily 'allowed' to circulate because IT'S NECESSARY FOR HUMAN IMMUNITY!
But not Covid-19. No, we must keep people from developing natural immunity to that virus - at the cost of collapsing civilization if necessary.
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Just saw the following video on Twitter, the guy is being fined after boarding at a Canadian airport after refusing to take the pcr test and for not wearing a mask (if I got it right).
Also, recently I've joined a channel on telegram run by an Italian lawyer who gives legal advice to people and business owners who are "breaking the law", that is, the draconian pathological measures imposed by draconian pathological individuals. He gives advice to those bar and restaurant owners who just can't afford anymore to rely on income from deliveries since the bars and the restaurants are open only till 6 pm in Italy and most of them rely on deliveryservices available till 10 pm.
So basically according to this guy and other lawyers who are fighting for the rights of the little guys who are defying the system for the sake of survival, the government regulations against covid-1984 don't have any legal weight if not enforced by the mayor of a county.
If the government restrictive measures aren't published on the official city's hall website as a mayor's law order than the said government regulations don't have any legal weight.
For example, on the telegram channel it has been reported by many members that by checking on the city hall website of their county they've noticed that there are none or just a few insignificant mayor legal orders based on the regulations issued by the government.
So basically it seems that by acting this way they are covering their asses against possibile futures legal repercussions. People on the channel reported that they have been fined for not wearing masks outdoors, didn't pay the fine, waited for 3 months for a legal notice from mayor's office for not having paid the fine and nothing arrived in the end because there are no mayor legal orders issued on the said matter. Even if the mayor's office sends you a legal note for not having paid the fine you still can dispute it in court if there are no mayor legal orders issued on that matter.
I'll be honest, when I've found out I've been astounded but not surprised considering how the government scared everybody with this invisible enemy through heavy propaganda 24h a day for a year now. In my case, I prefer to avoid any possible encounters with the police when I'm going outside and not wearing a mask, I never wear it outdoors, though I must admit that in order to avoid any unpleasant circumstances with the police I'm going outside in the evening and only for specific purposes.
Since March of last year I'm not going outside anymore for a walk or in the Parc for working out as I used to do, it's my choice though, I prefer to stay home instead of feeling like a criminal every time I'm going outside and not wearing a mask.
Also, recently I've joined a channel on telegram run by an Italian lawyer who gives legal advice to people and business owners who are "breaking the law", that is, the draconian pathological measures imposed by draconian pathological individuals. He gives advice to those bar and restaurant owners who just can't afford anymore to rely on income from deliveries since the bars and the restaurants are open only till 6 pm in Italy and most of them rely on deliveryservices available till 10 pm.
So basically according to this guy and other lawyers who are fighting for the rights of the little guys who are defying the system for the sake of survival, the government regulations against covid-1984 don't have any legal weight if not enforced by the mayor of a county.
If the government restrictive measures aren't published on the official city's hall website as a mayor's law order than the said government regulations don't have any legal weight.
For example, on the telegram channel it has been reported by many members that by checking on the city hall website of their county they've noticed that there are none or just a few insignificant mayor legal orders based on the regulations issued by the government.
So basically it seems that by acting this way they are covering their asses against possibile futures legal repercussions. People on the channel reported that they have been fined for not wearing masks outdoors, didn't pay the fine, waited for 3 months for a legal notice from mayor's office for not having paid the fine and nothing arrived in the end because there are no mayor legal orders issued on the said matter. Even if the mayor's office sends you a legal note for not having paid the fine you still can dispute it in court if there are no mayor legal orders issued on that matter.
I'll be honest, when I've found out I've been astounded but not surprised considering how the government scared everybody with this invisible enemy through heavy propaganda 24h a day for a year now. In my case, I prefer to avoid any possible encounters with the police when I'm going outside and not wearing a mask, I never wear it outdoors, though I must admit that in order to avoid any unpleasant circumstances with the police I'm going outside in the evening and only for specific purposes.
Since March of last year I'm not going outside anymore for a walk or in the Parc for working out as I used to do, it's my choice though, I prefer to stay home instead of feeling like a criminal every time I'm going outside and not wearing a mask.
So....
Ministry of Health: From Saturday, ban on 'hard-on' visors, order to wear 'soft-on' masks
So in the next step they will probably say that Specialised masks, as there will be "more infected"
I feel like they are "training" me reward and punishment. Thank goodness I'm watching it from a distance, enjoying the whole show.
Candice
Jedi Master
In relation to the flu disappearing act, it would be interesting to compare different countries, since not all have put in place the same covid-19 mandates.
For example here in Taiwan, the flu has basically disappeared but we also don’t have covid-19 community spread. Cases are mostly confined to those in quarantine. Some might assume that since it’s Asia that everyone masks up and social distances, this is not true. I live in a rural area with a high population of elderly and most people don’t wear masks and social distancing never happens. I mention the elderly because we also have never had an official covid case in my county, never mind a death. Though I’m pretty sure I had it late Jan last year, so it must have been in the community but no cases were reported. At that time it was very difficult to get a test so those cases may have just been thought of as the flu.
The Taiwan CDC reports each week the number of influenza hospitalizations and since Oct 1st, there’s only been one severe case.
As for the theory that flu cases are likely being counted as covid-19 cases, we don’t have covid-19. This could be true for other countries but not Taiwan. I’ve thought that the Gov could be hiding covid/“flu” cases but that would be incredibly difficult. We have a really affordable efficient healthcare system and the elderly will visit the doctor for any tiny issue because it’s so cheap, surely if they were dying of covid/“flu” it would have been reported. A reminder, we’ve only had 9 covid-19 deaths so far. Every case or death is a major deal so I can’t imagine how they’d cover it up.
There are still other respiratory viral infections, so the narrative that masks etc. has killed the flu is suspect. So where did the flu go? It’s a mystery
For example here in Taiwan, the flu has basically disappeared but we also don’t have covid-19 community spread. Cases are mostly confined to those in quarantine. Some might assume that since it’s Asia that everyone masks up and social distances, this is not true. I live in a rural area with a high population of elderly and most people don’t wear masks and social distancing never happens. I mention the elderly because we also have never had an official covid case in my county, never mind a death. Though I’m pretty sure I had it late Jan last year, so it must have been in the community but no cases were reported. At that time it was very difficult to get a test so those cases may have just been thought of as the flu.
The Taiwan CDC reports each week the number of influenza hospitalizations and since Oct 1st, there’s only been one severe case.
Influenza Express week 7 (2021/02/14-2021/02/20).pdf
www.cdc.gov.tw
2020-2021 Influenza Season Week 7, Feb 14 – Feb 20, 2021
Synopsis
The number of medical visits for influenza-like illness was still low.
Influenza virus activity was low in community. Other respiratory viruses remained dominant during the past four weeks.
As for the theory that flu cases are likely being counted as covid-19 cases, we don’t have covid-19. This could be true for other countries but not Taiwan. I’ve thought that the Gov could be hiding covid/“flu” cases but that would be incredibly difficult. We have a really affordable efficient healthcare system and the elderly will visit the doctor for any tiny issue because it’s so cheap, surely if they were dying of covid/“flu” it would have been reported. A reminder, we’ve only had 9 covid-19 deaths so far. Every case or death is a major deal so I can’t imagine how they’d cover it up.
There are still other respiratory viral infections, so the narrative that masks etc. has killed the flu is suspect. So where did the flu go? It’s a mystery
Candice
Jedi Master
In addition I just came across this article based on a study that was done in Taiwan. They found that the all cause mortality rate of 2020 was lower than 2019, they concluded it was highly unlikely there were significant undocumented deaths due to covid-19. They however are trying to push the narrative that the low flu and covid cases is due to all the mask wearing etc. I just don’t buy this, as I’ve said in our region for the last year I didn’t observe a significant increase in mask wearing. Of course in the larger cities they were but our town is a popular tourist destination and the city people regularly visit during public holidays and weekends and weren’t wearing masks. Only recently did the gov mandate masks in stores but it’s not enforced. Only on public transport, in gov buildings and hospitals are people strict about the rules. We also never had lockdowns and “social distancing” is minimal at best.
Taiwan COVID measures drive drop in pneumonia, influenza deaths: study - Focus Taiwan
Behavioral changes in Taiwan aimed at controlling the spread of COVID-19 have likely had a "positive spillover effect," driving deaths from pneumonia and influenza to their lowest levels in 10 years, according to the results of a recent study.
I find the following conclusion to the study to be rather disturbing:
I find it disturbing because Taiwan and other Asian countries are being touted as examples of how to deal with the virus. Every time I read an article, all the Asians are wearing masks and look like zombies. None of it depicts the reality I see or live in.
Surely these measures need to be implemented country wide to work, not only in cities. I can’t even debate this with my friends who live in the larger cities, they’re all brainwashed. They’ve been on vacation all over the island, I’ve seen the photos and they’re not wearing masks or social distancing.
My theory is that covid-19 was island wide at the start of 2020 and only 9 people died because there is community immunity from previous circulating coronaviruses and only the most immuno-compromised were susceptible.
However the early travel bans played the biggest role in stemming the spread of the virus, more so than masks.
Nucifera
Dagobah Resident
Synthetic mRNA Covid vaccines: A Risk-Benefit Analysis
Synthetic mRNA Covid vaccines: A Risk-Benefit Analysis
With a “vaccine” based on untested technology, and safety trials still ongoing, is it safe to take the shot? And does it even work? And does a disease with an IFR of 0.2% even justify that risk?…
off-guardian.org
cholas
Dagobah Resident
First Shipment of Sinovac Vaccines Arrive in Mexico
"The country has commitments for 34.4 million doses of the American Pfizer vaccine, 79.4 million of the British AstraZeneca, 35 million of the Chinese CanSino, 24 million of the Russian Sputnik V, 10 million of the Chinese Sinovac and 51.4 from the World Health Organization's COVAX platform." (translated by Ricardo Acerco)
Wow. What is the population of Mexico?
Which goes hand-in-hand with this:
www.nytimes.com
This could be real tricky for us. We plan on driving back to the u.s soon (hopefully not for long) and this ridiculous
soon-to-be requirement is not on the table. Not even an option at this point.
www.reuters.com
We crossed into Mexico in December without a hiccup and the border was said to be "closed" then too. I assume this is another scare tactic.
That being said, I think our days of freely traveling between the two countries are coming to a rapid close.
"The country has commitments for 34.4 million doses of the American Pfizer vaccine, 79.4 million of the British AstraZeneca, 35 million of the Chinese CanSino, 24 million of the Russian Sputnik V, 10 million of the Chinese Sinovac and 51.4 from the World Health Organization's COVAX platform." (translated by Ricardo Acerco)
Wow. What is the population of Mexico?
| Aristegui Noticias
aristeguinoticias.com
Which goes hand-in-hand with this:
Coming Soon: The ‘Vaccine Passport’
Coming Soon: The ‘Vaccine Passport’ (Published 2021)
In the near future, travel may require digital documentation showing that passengers have been vaccinated or tested for the coronavirus. Answers to your questions.
This could be real tricky for us. We plan on driving back to the u.s soon (hopefully not for long) and this ridiculous
soon-to-be requirement is not on the table. Not even an option at this point.
U.S. extends travel restrictions at land borders with Canada, Mexico through March 21
U.S. extends travel restrictions at land borders with Canada, Mexico through March 21
U.S. land borders with Canada and Mexico will remain closed to non-essential travel until at least March 21, the one-year anniversary of the restrictions to address COVID-19 transmission concerns, the U.S. government said Friday.
www.reuters.com
We crossed into Mexico in December without a hiccup and the border was said to be "closed" then too. I assume this is another scare tactic.
That being said, I think our days of freely traveling between the two countries are coming to a rapid close.
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